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Mr Stupid
25 Jan 11 01:32
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Read in an article there was once an incredible 33 dog tracks in london..can that be right..and if so anyone help me out with some names.
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Report chrisjake January 28, 2011 4:01 PM GMT
THANKS for the link eyeball some great old tracks on show i wish they were still around brings back some good and very sad times for me be lucky all
Report Mr. Memory January 28, 2011 8:26 PM GMT
"eyeball"..........Wigan was just as I remembered it from nearly 60 years ago..........superb.
Report Mr. Memory January 28, 2011 8:31 PM GMT
"expat".....Greenford had girls as well & I ended up marrying one of them over 50 years ago.

She is downstairs sewing a button on a shirt........thank God for Miss Walker & her Domestic Science lessons.
Report ColonelsRib January 28, 2011 9:31 PM GMT
Mr Stupid -  more for your list,  Bradford City Dog Track, Greenfield Dog Track (bradford) both on opposite sides of Bradford town, White City Manchester and I believe many many years ago Keighley
Report eyeball January 28, 2011 9:38 PM GMT
wow mr. memory.....you must go back a long way ?
Report expat January 28, 2011 10:24 PM GMT
Mr Memory, back at the Hilton, and flying back to-morrow, but think I could well be here again next month. Isleworth was boys only, so no luck for me there. Our twin school was the Green school for girls at Busch Corner, near Syon Park, but the local convent girls were 'nicer'. I moved away from the area soon after leaving school, my job then took me away, and my first dogs visit as a worker was Cardiff in 1965 or 1966. I eventually married a Danish lady, and still am, who is also very competent in that area, and most supportive in difficult times, we are lucky.
Thanks for all your insider memories, and to Whitmarsh too; as I have said on other threads, it is a shame it could not all be collated into a history of Greyhound Racing's characters.
Report eastmead January 28, 2011 10:42 PM GMT
My wife went to the Green School. She reckons the girls from the convent school were little tarts[;)] She reckons that is what you liked about them.Devil
Report happysandwich January 28, 2011 11:43 PM GMT
Ron-Russian

There was a dog track behind the Hare & Hounds pub in Lea Bridge Road Walthamstow in the 60’s. My Sister took the family pet, a lurcher named Johnny, and won a race there.
Report expat January 29, 2011 12:19 AM GMT
Eastmead, how could she?! I merely meant that they were more friendly at Gumley House! The nicest convent girls I met were on a school winter holiday, where we shared a hotel with girls from St Vincent's (I think) convent: which was next to Victoria station. Did an early morning milk/grocery bicycle round to remote areas in the borough in all weathers before school to save for that. Well worth it, as I fell in love for the first time! Our footy and rugby pitches were next to the Green School, and their hockey pitches.
I used to go plane spotting at Heathrow, and sat on the top deck of the 81B bus, hoping to catch a glimpse of a race at Harlington Corner. The track site later to become a bowling alley and a hotel. 'Fings ain't wot they used to be'!
Report Mr. Memory January 29, 2011 9:57 AM GMT
"happysandwich"............Leyton Football Club played on the ground behind the "Hare & Hounds" in the 1950s.

"expat".......My wife used to play netball agaist Gumley House.
  My son played in a two day game on the Savannah in the early 1980s. A three week tour with the Middlesex Schools which cost £300(subsidised by the taxpayer for ethnic reasons). The pavilion? was on the other side of the main road.....a useful grounding for when he played for Mitcham in later years.
Chris Lewis & the son of Terry Dyson, the former Spurs winger, were in the team. Ian Bishop, later to open the West Indies bowling, was in the opposition.
Report eastmead January 29, 2011 10:09 AM GMT
She could expat- she bought me my first greyhound pup as an engagement present.
I see you mentioned Drayton Manor in your earlier post,that was my school.
Report Mr. Memory January 29, 2011 10:35 AM GMT
"eastmead"......Was the Mr.Cherry there in your time?
We managed to beat Drayton Manor in my last season, despite all his efforts.
Report eastmead January 29, 2011 11:28 AM GMT
Yes he was the games master.  Bob Cherry I seem to remember, whether Bob was his real name or one we gave him I am not sure.
I usually avoided school matches as they were on Saturday and I was an avid Brentford fan and prefered going there.
Report expat January 29, 2011 11:35 AM GMT
Mr Memory, I'm afraid it would be a case of rain stopped play on the Savannah this morning. I hope your wife found her opponents from Gumley House were nice girls!
I was also a Brentford fan, my Granddad took me there when I was little. I used to alternate Saturdays with Hounslow. At Isleworth we played rugby in the first winter term, and football in the second. I think that Drayton were on our football network. Our games were always in the morning.
An alumnus of Isleworth was Steve Wilkinson, who went on to play first class cricket for Somerset in the late 60s/ early 70s, I believe.
He went on to become a Racecourse bookmaker on the southern circuit.
Report Mr. Memory January 29, 2011 11:47 AM GMT
My first Brentford game was in 1943.

Bring back Harry Curtis.
Report chrisjake January 29, 2011 11:53 AM GMT
you old gits he-heLaugh
Report expat January 29, 2011 12:01 PM GMT
An old git indeed chrisjake, 63 in April. Age though is a relative thing, and all I can say is that I am grateful to have lived and enjoyed myself for so long. I have seen many good 'uns go early, and not enjoy longevity, and it becomes more frequent to hear about them as we get older. I hope that you live to enjoy a long one too, do what you can now!
Report expat January 29, 2011 12:05 PM GMT
Mr Memory, I was 8 when I first went to Brentford, I was placed at the front on the New Road side, which meant my face was level with the pitch! It was against Colchester in D3S, and one of their fans brought on a dog on to the at half time, and performed tricks. When I was a bit older, I upgraded to standing on the Braemar Road side, changing ends to always watch the Bees attacking.
Report masked magician January 29, 2011 12:22 PM GMT
one of the best trainers in the land comes from Greenford....

Terry Dartnall

know the area well ,Ravenor Park , Cardinal Wiseman ,happy days
Report Mr. Memory January 29, 2011 12:26 PM GMT
"masked magician".............Ferrymead Avenue.
His brother, Geoff, was in my brothers form at Greenford.
Report masked magician January 29, 2011 12:34 PM GMT
mr m,

yes oldfield lane turn right at the church opposite british legion.

wish i could go back in time - i went to Visitation school.

went on to live in hillingdon , watch the planes from stockley park !
Report expat January 29, 2011 12:41 PM GMT
Masked Magician, our offices are near Stockley Park. I used to cycle there with friends in the school holidays, to go fishing on the canal. There was a small humpback bridge, with a pub near it. It was almost countryside then!
Report Mr. Memory January 29, 2011 12:49 PM GMT
"masked magician"..............I am not far away.....Ickenham....can watch the planes from Northolt Aerodrome.
Report masked magician January 29, 2011 12:59 PM GMT
expat & mr m,
one of the 1st aeroplanes i saw was Myrtown at White City!
loved the Xmas Holiday ,Flip Your Top era.

always remember the buzz when Ger McKenna sent over his Derby runners.
Report expat January 29, 2011 1:05 PM GMT
I lived away from London in my early days, so Dolores Rocket was my first on returning to the area for a while. Rocket by nature too I remember. I think she produced a very fast time. Owned by the White brothers I think. To be honest it was difficult to drag me away from Slough then, even for a Derby final!
Report irishone January 29, 2011 3:22 PM GMT
Roy Dwight was a top quality P E teacher in South east London, still using the slipper in the eighties as I recall, took no c r a p p that man.
Report Southwark Star February 2, 2011 8:57 AM GMT
Mr Memory do you remember Sid Waite, used to be at Slough and Stamford Bridge.
Report Mr. Memory February 2, 2011 3:22 PM GMT
"Southwark Star".......I am afraid that I do not.....Tommy Barham & Tom Allsop are the only bookmakers that come to mind at Stamford Bridge.
Report Ron-Russian February 2, 2011 6:04 PM GMT
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Ron-Russian

There was a dog track behind the Hare & Hounds pub in Lea Bridge Road Walthamstow in the 60’s. My Sister took the family pet, a lurcher named Johnny, and won a race there.

Thanks Happy, i've not been reading this thread lately
Report sparrow February 2, 2011 7:13 PM GMT
Southwark Star- You don't by any chance mean Sid White who made a book at Stamford Bridge. He was the brother of John White senior and my father clerked for him there.
Report Southwark Star February 3, 2011 10:09 PM GMT
Sid Waite was a small man about 5 3 in height a dog man all his life and a fine judge, he was a good friend of Jim Leyton and could read his grading to perfection.
Report celticgr February 4, 2011 3:19 AM GMT
Mention of Steve Wilkinson,racecourse bookmaker....now there was a nice guy...havent been to the track for a while so guessing he may have retired hurt...speaking of which we(racecourse layabouts)play an annual cricket match against the quiet posh Odiham Cricket Club in Hampshire,Bob Butchers the Mirror racing guy was President....Steve would open the batting for years,get 100 and retire totally knackered,while the rest of us got about 80-100 between us..a few footballers like Alan Ball and Tommy Langley would show up,gratis of course....we also used to play the horsey lot at football...Hayes Town....in our team were...Brian Robson,Peter Borota(Chelsea keeper)Eric Clapton,Phil Collins along with Tommy and Alan...the layabout also had son of dog bookie Leslie Spencer ,Nigel...Fred Honour would as usual buy more than his share of raffle tickets..
I never knew there was an Edgware track...any idea where it was...?must have closed way before my time....
Jonto was a legend..I will ask if there any stories...the one with him having 6 dogs in a race is new on me..my guess is he would have pretty close to Joe Chamberlain and Toffee Prince...Sam The Barber would have been involved in a few coups at Watford also....there was talk of a good coup at Luton with Albert Dimes...sometime after my father spent some time with Albert and George Raft...who was in London on some missionary work..little Ebby would have been around the group and legend has it Ronnie Corbett was the court jester for a time(he worked a lot at Danny La Rues club,which had a high percentage of racing guys as clients)
Aaaron and Billy Corcoran must have been around in Jontos time....Aaron called me a few months back and he aint doing that great...no idea what Billy is doing..funny enough the talk here late last night was of the Corcoran clan...there were dozens....they liked a party and then all had a fight after
Has anyone here any news of London track regulars Dougie and Brian Matthews....the two names White and Cyril put it in my head..as they were related and ran the Wembley pitch with him
Great read as always ...
Report Mr. Memory February 4, 2011 11:20 AM GMT
"celticgr".........A recent triple dead heat has hit the headlines, but I remember one at Luton in the days before photo finishes.

The reason that the third dog was included in the winners may have been due to it being owned by Mr.Dimes.
Report Mr. Memory February 4, 2011 12:05 PM GMT
"celticgr".......Edgware Straight was situated at Brockley Hill, not far from the Aldenham Bus Depot.

The owner was Mr.S Deegan & it was managed by E.Dinas.

The races were run over 200 & 300 yards.

A trainer friend from Owlerton won a £1000 open there.
Report Iris of mayfair February 4, 2011 6:00 PM GMT
This is a fantastic thread
Report seanjames February 4, 2011 8:12 PM GMT
aldenham bus depot is now a hideous business park and the old dog track a poxy car boot sale site
Report expat February 5, 2011 12:31 PM GMT
celticgr: I chatted to Steve at a sparse AW Kempton meeting a couple of years ago. He was on the rails, not doing a lot, and I think was comtemplating giving up, as had become disillusioned. Steve's dad was a sports master in Heston, and I think played for Hounslow CC, so Steve had a good grounding in cricket coaching, and was also an above average footballer. Steve's dad used to help him on track, along with Johnny Black.I had the fortune to play with Steve in the school teams at Alexandra Primary school in Hounslow, and we later both went on to ICGS in Osterley.
Report Mister E February 5, 2011 2:49 PM GMT
A lovely thread. I went to a funeral last week, and many of the old faces from the Wick were there. Bookies, trainers, and punters.
Terry Ramsden included, still much the same, and still hovering round companies on the AIM; I hadn't seen him or many of the others in years; shame its funerals that bring us together. good luck to all.
Report TheMadGhost February 5, 2011 5:25 PM GMT
Mitcham Greyhound Stadium was close to Tooting & Mitcham Football Club in Sandy Lane off Steatham Road.  I think the dogs might have started in September 1937, but not sure.
Report celticgr February 9, 2011 6:32 PM GMT
Expat
thanks...intend going soon so will look him up...poor old Johnny Black....tried to help them with a few market moves years ago...he died far too young..never knew his Dad was a sports master..

Mr M
AMAZING AS USUAL

Terry Ramsden....there was a guy who could have a bet
Report gosmash February 9, 2011 6:52 PM GMT
20    Rye House  ???
Report Mr Stupid February 9, 2011 8:24 PM GMT
Amazing to see some of these names but it makes you think that why did so many close in the fiftys and sixtys...cant blame betfair or fobts for this...thought the real decline started in the eightys but looking at them names and dates it started well before thenCry
Report Mr. Memory February 9, 2011 9:27 PM GMT
"Mr Stupid".........The advent of betting shops initially slautered the attendances at matinee tracks like Park Royal....then came the realisation that the land was worth more than the greyhounds.......i.e. Wandsworth.
A hotel was built on Harlington Corner, Ladbroke Leisure built on Luton & Clapton, Salford & West Ham became housing sites....Hendon ended up under the M1.
Report Southwark Star February 9, 2011 9:33 PM GMT
Mr Memory can you remember Gloucester Peter, he was a regular at Slough and Wimbledon for many years and was a very good judge of dogs.
Report Mr. Memory February 9, 2011 9:51 PM GMT
"Southwark Star"....I am sorry, but I cannot place him.

The one man that I can remember from Wimbledon (plus Ascot, Kempton etc.)was Stan......always on the lookout for a free pint & seldom without a glass in his hand.
Report TheMadGhost February 9, 2011 11:36 PM GMT
Mr Memory: I thought Hendon, (my favourite and most friendliest track of all), is now, tragically, part of the Brent Cross Shopping Centre monstrosity?
Report eastmead February 9, 2011 11:37 PM GMT
Mr Memory and expat we are on our way to Wembley-tickets ordered  COME ON YOU BEES!!
Report TheMadGhost February 9, 2011 11:53 PM GMT
Mr Memory: I can remember a man at Wimbledon called Len who used to do the tissue for the bookmakers. Nice man, very pleasant and very knowledgeable.  (Think he might have had blood pressure problems).  Clapton is now the Millfields Housing Estate, homes for the Elderley, (maybe I should put my name down.  How poignant is that?)
Report Mr. Memory February 10, 2011 7:13 AM GMT
"eastmead"........I was there for the "Sherpa Van" Final.
Report Mr. Memory February 10, 2011 7:42 AM GMT
"TheMadGhost"..............I can remember when "Mini" Cooper did the tissue for Tony Morris.
Report whitmarsh February 10, 2011 5:02 PM GMT
An old regular at Clapton dogs,a man I knew,got a house on that Millfields Est.where the dog track used to stand.He painted the front door orange because it was No.5.He got in trouble with Hackney council,he told them good job they never put him in No.6.Peter Walsh the Hackney trainer kept the pub The Jubilee over the road.Freddie Hudson who always trained a couple of decent dogs from home lived round the corner as did Kenny Emanuel who owned some very good dogs including Denny Street with Charlie Greenacre.Freddie Hudson was head man to Edna Wearing.It was a proper dog mand district.
Report TheMadGhost February 10, 2011 7:55 PM GMT
Mr Memory: I knew a man called "Roy" who worked for Tony Morris up until his death from cancer a few years ago.  Loved his golf and played up to a year or so before his death.
Report TheMadGhost February 10, 2011 8:01 PM GMT
Whitmarsh: When have you ever known a council with a sense of humour, little people trying to throw their weight around, or, maybe they can't laugh because they've realised that they are "The Joke" and can't handle it.  I can imagine the stories in "The Jubilee" must have have been worth listening to.
Report celticgr February 10, 2011 11:28 PM GMT
Gloucester Peter was an excellent judge,and will say it again a really nice guy...we had a dog trained by Dave Kinchett and I would always ask his opinion as equal to or in front of the trainer

Stanley Porter was the regular drunk Mr Memory recalls,always used to have a freash toothpaste and brush handy....he had a brother Tom,who made a book at Wimbledon...probably in the cheap side next to Swindle,Ginger Newman,Les Nicholls(Arthur) really smart dresser

Could the Roy referred to below have been Roy Curtis...thought he worked for John White...played with the Bookmakers Golf Society..Southwark Star...you won one of those events...run by Dave

Saphir....loads of dog names would turn up....Grimes clan,Sid Sweeney,Dicky Barnett,Tommy Lawrence,Charlie Miller,Del Nash and sons,
Report celticgr February 10, 2011 11:29 PM GMT
Oh and I recall Southward Star winning one of those golf days...
Report TheMadGhost February 11, 2011 12:34 AM GMT
celticgr: I'm convinced you are spot-on with Roy Curtis.  I think I might have got the two bookmakers confused because they stood next to each other in the old main ring at Wimbledon.  Roy was a smashing lad, (I didn't go to Wimbledon that often but played a few rounds of golf with him though I never actually knew his surname).  Roy was a close friend of a mate of mine who used to work on the racecourses, and that's how I got to know him.
Report Southwark Star February 11, 2011 9:08 AM GMT
The mad ghost, Roy loved a pint and did have a few pints with him in the Ram at Catford then of to the dogs where he worked for Brian Woolaston. Roys nickname was stuttery but he was a first class workman.
Report whitmarsh February 11, 2011 2:44 PM GMT
Roy Curtis was one of the nicest men ever to grace a dog track or racecourse.After the war he worked for Jimmy Gent at Catford and the races until Jimmys death.He then worked for John White,he worked"on top"for the Whitenob tic tac firm in the 50s.He was an excellent workman and good judge of dogs.Though not a big punter he was very knowledgable at Catford.Roy was a staunch socialist,probably down to his difficult time during the war.A conscientous objector he was put in the brutal military prison at Shepton Mallet,I know how bad it was.He was in their when a man named Clayton died.Roy was transported to the North East where he worked the war years down flooded mines under the North Sea,you couldnt stand up in those mines.Youre right about The Ram in Catford Broadway,at Wimbledon he drunk in the Youngs house run by Nosher Powell.Light and Special was his drink,he was special a good mate.
Report expat February 11, 2011 4:57 PM GMT
celticgr: I have been to Kempton a couple of times since, but Steve has not been there. If he is still operating, I would wait until the weather warms up a bit to see! I did not know that Johnny had died, he must have been young. Steve's dad the ex teacher used to clerk.
eastmead: I hope you have a good day, and a right result! I hope also their managerial situation is sorted out before then. I may be away then, I do not know yet.
Report Southwark Star February 13, 2011 9:42 AM GMT
Whitmarsh when i first went racing was Roy working for Sid Newton, it was the mid to late seventies but i may be mistaken. Agree with you a very special friend.
Report Southwark Star February 13, 2011 9:46 AM GMT
Celtic Gr if you read this today i am very sorry to hear about Dad, will you please send my deepest condolances to all your family.
Report whitmarsh February 13, 2011 12:39 PM GMT
Celtic GR ......Very sad news.


Southwark Star,You are exactly right,he did work for Sid and Ronnie Newton for about five years or so.
Report Mister E February 13, 2011 8:33 PM GMT
celticgr,
very sad news about your father.
much respected man.
Report Mr. Memory February 13, 2011 9:55 PM GMT
I wish to add my sentiments to those expressed by "Southwark Star", "whitmarsh" & "Mister E"
I knew Jimmy for nearly 40 years & was fortunate to form a lasting friendship. He was an extremely shrewd man & I learned much of my racing "know how" from our shared experiences.

I have much to remember him by.
Report levelstakes1 February 14, 2011 1:58 PM GMT
New Cross Gate
Report celticgr February 16, 2011 1:44 PM GMT
Funeral details for Jimmy Green are
service at
St Aidans Church
Finch Lane
Little Chalfont
Bucks
HP7 9NE
Service starts at 11.30 am...there is a Metropolitan Line Tube station close by...Chalfont and Latimer

Afterwards the family would like to see as many people as possible at
Stoke Park
Stoke Park
Park Road
Stoke Poges
Buckinghamshire
Great Britain
SL2 4PG

No doubt there will be plenty cups of tea and some booze
The family wish to pass on thanks for all of the genuine messages they have received from all over the world via either the forum and calls and texts...it has been very moving...especially in racing terms the tribute in todays Racing Post..
I know he always tried to do the right thing and stick to his principals.
Report Mr. Memory February 16, 2011 2:12 PM GMT
"celticgr"..........You seem to have overlooked the date.
Report celticgr February 16, 2011 2:17 PM GMT
Mr M
Of course....
Jimmy Green funeral date is Friday 25th February
Report celticgr February 17, 2011 11:59 AM GMT
On the subject of Roy Curtis...I knew him a long long time...and he never mentioned to me his war experience..it must have been tough...he was a true and utter gentleman and I enjoyed every second in his company,either on the course or having a knock on the golf course(he wast great,the none of us really were)
He worked for a long time with Ronnie Newton,somehow when he died his son Nicky wasnt allowed to keep the pitches, as the great and the good deemed he wasnt a fit and proper person....Nicky was a bit of a rogue but truely likeable and one of the best clerks ever,sadly died penniless at a very young age...his brother Gary worked for John Banks for a while
Report Wood Lane February 17, 2011 2:23 PM GMT
So sorry to hear the sad news about Jimmy Green.I knew Roy was in Shepton Mallet during the war from someone who was in there with him.Gary Newton als clerked for Steve Griffin from Brighton outside at White City and for a short while Harringay.Last time I saw him,by chance,he told me he was running a youth football team in Sussex.
Report celticgr February 17, 2011 3:20 PM GMT
Small world...someone called me this morning and said Steve Griffin passed his best wishes on....he had been in Spain I believe...one of the better dog bookies of his generation,all went a bit Pete Tong when White City closed...
Gary did indeed run a football club,want to say Haywards Heath but that isnt quiet right,but general area....they were semi pro....got it ..Burgess Hill Town...
Its probably been on here before about Roy Curtis...lets say it was Wimbledon.......he called a four ponies on a dog in the photo finish....just as the result was being announced......the other way of course
he uttered the immortal words
" I couldnt ffffffcccccccccccckkkkkkkkking stutttttttter then could I"
Lovely guy in the Tommy Lawrence mould
Others I recall form that era would have been Dickie Barnett,Harry "the chef" Jacobs,Waggy One Leg,Dessi Harris,Georgie Gunn....
Dessi worked at the back of the stands tic tacking to us in the cheap ring with a really old boy called Joe who drove an ancient Morris Minor....he got warned off as he had so many on the floor layers it became untenable...he had a son called Hugo....
Dessi was the opposite to Roy Curtis in that he was ultra right wing,he was a caretaker of some flate,which he also lived in,and would play at top volume,Land of Hope and Glory when an immigrant family moved in....this would go on for hours,

There was another character around Wimbledon in those days...Berty Pearson....large guy with a big cigar....would stay for 4 races,sell some knock off gear,have a bet,then go home to watch Dads Army
Report whitmarsh February 17, 2011 6:11 PM GMT
Gold Tooth Des was a caretaker of a block of flats as well as taking over the Parfitt(pink card)tic tac firm.Bertie Pearson was a very big player at the boxing.He would attend all the big fights in London and would lay a substantial bet.In the 50s he used to sit in Chick Singermans S.P. office in Maddox St. off of Regent St.At one time if you wanted a bookmakers pitch at Wimbledon Bert was the man to see,his family had a lot of sway.Waggy Sawyeris still alive be about my age,pushing 90,still smokes he plays cards in Brixton 2or3 times a week.Very good clerk he worked for Charlie Pollard among others.
Report whitmarsh February 17, 2011 6:35 PM GMT
Is Georgie Gunn still about?
Report Mr. Memory February 17, 2011 7:39 PM GMT
"whitmarsh"............."Waggy" used to give me clerking lessons between races at Wimbledon......his methods were superb & I learned a lot.
Report Southwark Star February 18, 2011 11:43 AM GMT
Whitmarsh I spoke to George Gunn 6 weeks ago still living in Hove, smartist man i ever see.He is a little depressed at losing so many of his friends. When Tony Morris passed away George was very upset and not been the same person since.
Report whitmarsh February 19, 2011 5:21 PM GMT
Thanks Southwark,glad hes still about.I think George owned a dog that won the St.Leger.He had it as a pet when it retired.He was a very good clerk and a top bookmaker at Hove.His father Chubby Gunn made a book on the free course at Brighton.
Report Southwark Star February 20, 2011 5:51 PM GMT
Whitmarsh your knowledge is about racing folk is truely remarkable. I asked George why he was allways early and he told me a story about his father going to Epsom, he told George to be ready at 11, George arrived at 11 01 and Dad was gone, he was never late again. He never told me his Dads name. George used to bring smoked salmon sandwiches racing and as people who know me on here i look skinny and underfed George used to share them with me, it was the finest smoke salmon i have ever tasted. George is a TRUE GENTLEMAN.
Report Wood Lane February 21, 2011 2:59 PM GMT
Bert Pearson promoted boxing shows and managed some good fighters in the past.
Report celticgr February 23, 2011 4:08 PM GMT
I first worked with George Gunn in about 1973...at Goodwood where he repped for Ted Binns..he looked like a distinguished male model,a million dollars...went down with an old boy called Charlie Tobias and back with Billy Dent...wages were about £10.00 which was five times more than my other job in Chapel St market...and about 5 hours less work time..he got me tickets for the Leeds-Sunderland final from Dave Sexton,his great friend and lookalike...George played in goal for the TV Allstars charity football team who played all over the place on Sundays and he was also a founder of SPARKS the famous kids charity with Jimmy Hill
He drifted out of racing for a while to concentrate on dogs,I think he had a Puppy Derby winner around 1982....but found his way back onto the horse scene a few years later with John Cohen and John White,doing the dogs at Wimbledon too....the guy is one of lifes one offs...
Incidentally he was married to Lulu Mendozas sister...
Report celticgr February 23, 2011 4:10 PM GMT
spoke to Tommy Lawrence yesterday...hes having a rough old time with his health and the building he lives in has subsidence(insurance company dont want to know) he has spoken to Waggy...now over 90....but in good health
Report oi oi February 27, 2011 8:19 PM GMT
Good evening another face from yhe races passed away at the weekend, Trevor Morgen who worked with the away bookmakers. Trevor was one of lifes triers and will be missed.
Report whitmarsh March 13, 2011 2:02 PM GMT
Choked to hear about Trevor,as you say always a trier.Came out racing with the old man woolgar,Sonny.
Mentioning that name Sonny Kelly who must be 93 will be lost without Trevor.Sonny told me at Christmas Trev used to bring a paper up to him everyday and do a few errands for him.He was thoughtful like that.Very sad.
Report celticgr March 23, 2011 10:13 AM GMT
Thats really sad news,Trevor was a real character,as said a proper tryer...finding a way to earn a pound...he reminded me of Mike Reid...a big miss for the game
Sonny Kelly:glad top hear he is about,another top guy,a proper gentleman...really bright and knew how to treat people,great friends of the legend that was Groucho...if you get chance send him my best wishes
Report whitmarsh March 23, 2011 4:09 PM GMT
Celtic,I speak to him every Xmas and will most certainly pass on your message.Does any one remember Wag or Mr.Wag as he was known at East Anglian and Fenland coursing meetings?A regular at Newmarket and sometimes York he always knew of a 2yo that was catching pigeons.Yarmouth was another happy hunting ground for him.He used to go to the Irish coursing with the Gaskin family and had a touch when their dog Johns Gang won the Derby at Clonmel.He also had a touch with Joannes Legacy long odds when the Irish Cup was run at Clounanna.He backed the Irish Purse winner that year as well.The story goes that Wag went to Newmarket many years ago,to be an apprentice with either Harvey or Jack Leader,I cant remember what one.A scientist who had done experiments on pigmies used Wag as a "guinea pig".Wag grew to 6ft 6ins and developed an unusual face and sqeaky voice after drinking his potion.I dont know if it was true but that was the story related to me many years ago by a classic winning jockey who was apprentice with him.
Report sparrow November 27, 2013 8:15 PM GMT
The Mitcham track is mentioned on this thread.
Report woodmanchester November 27, 2013 8:25 PM GMT
Thanks Sparrow. Furthest I go back is the old Wembley, Hackney, Catford and Walthamstow
Report sparrow November 27, 2013 8:29 PM GMT
I go back a little further, woody.
Report woodmanchester November 27, 2013 8:32 PM GMT
Not old then Sparrow, just vintage
Report TheMadGhost November 28, 2013 4:25 PM GMT
OK I'll hold my hands up.  My first Derby Final was in 1969 when Sand Star (tp 4) beat Kilbelin Style (tp 2) with Ploverfield Dan (tp 2) in third.  I've also went racing at Charlton, Hendon, West Ham, Southend and Southall!
Report the.mad.dog.man November 28, 2013 4:52 PM GMT
hendon happy days there
Report woodmanchester November 28, 2013 4:54 PM GMT
'86 Tico for me, although had been going to Belle Vue from about '76
Report TheMadGhost November 28, 2013 5:42 PM GMT
Hendon, one of the nicest tracks I ever went to, could order a pint of beer, take two steps, watch the race, take two steps back and carry on drinking.  Although my main track was always White City.
Report threecard December 6, 2013 7:43 PM GMT
Sad sight indeed..this is the second time the travellers have descended on the Stow car park. I spent 40 minutes getting around the Billet roundabout the other night. With 800 new residents and a busy bus garage earmarked you can only feel sorry for local residents of what was once a vibrant and special place for Londoners.

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/wfnews/10858541.Travellers__to_be_evicted__from_Walthamstow_Stadium_site/?action=success
Report matso December 7, 2013 6:05 AM GMT
Sad reading these Posts.. and now theres nothing.. Incredible..!
Report Catford February 27, 2021 3:31 PM GMT
great thread
Report casemoney February 27, 2021 4:56 PM GMT
Yes probably the best ever on here , sadly many of the old Posters Gone Sad
Report GLASGOWCALLING February 28, 2021 10:35 AM GMT
.. Sad No sign of Slippy Blue. ??
Report casemoney February 28, 2021 2:40 PM GMT
He came on a few months back saying he had been very Ill  , I sent him a PM recently to see how he was ,not had a reply yet ..
Report irishone February 28, 2021 3:33 PM GMT
Yeah he was a nice fellah him
Lived in dulwich didnt he
Looking back
There's been a lot gone from this thread
Report Deptford February 28, 2021 3:48 PM GMT
He still about, just not on here for a while
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