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10 Feb 09 20:15
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One of the few tracks I never went to

What was it like

From what I remember they never had any big races there

Could be wrong

Need someone to tell what it was like

What distance did they race over ?

What was the market like ?

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By:
sparrow
When: 10 Feb 09 20:29
Not a track I ever went to as it raced on days when Clapton was on . Poor fare as I recall running over 415 yds and 600yds.
By:
do i like dogs
When: 10 Feb 09 20:33
seaside did u go by bicycle.
By:
dungbeetle
When: 11 Feb 09 08:02
good old days. remember bookmakers Questell and Davies proper bookmakers who would tske a bet.danny Questal used to lay a bet 14-1 you had to name a dog in all 8 races NOT ti finish in the frame.Try it .It aint easy!
By:
Mr. Memory
When: 11 Feb 09 12:54
I had a credit account with Danny Quastel...............his motto was "A Quastel at this address since 1896"
By:
Mr. Memory
When: 11 Feb 09 12:59
I think that their biggest race was "The Berkeley Cup"
By:
clapton
When: 11 Feb 09 13:18
Used to love it there.. they ran on peat, trips were 415, 600, 770, 880, it was an inside hare, they ran the Ben Trueman Stakes.. Greenwich Cup.. New Cross Sprint..Berkeley Cup..Festival Cup..always had good hurdlers there, Halfpenny King.. Ballintore Tiger, and of course the great Sherrys Prince was trained there for a while.
Run to the 1st bend for 415 was 84 yds.. 600 was 90yds..
The Restaurant Phone no : New Cross 0213... Howzat !!!!!!
By:
hopping
When: 11 Feb 09 13:39
there used to be a bookie in the small ring called skipper, he never stopped shouting out his odds throughout the meeting, must have shouted himself hoarse, i remember a great ** who ran there in the late 60s called `local view` she was a prolific winner , there were many prefix named dogs who ran there such as Muswell, Dunkeld, Jerpoint etc.
By:
Bangers N Mash
When: 11 Feb 09 18:17
Millwall
By:
Southwark Star
When: 11 Feb 09 18:34
Remember going to the track as a young kid with my Mum and Dad the last race used to be the top heat and a dog called Fabulous Fortune comes to mind as the track champion allways run out of stripes.
By:
whitmarsh
When: 12 Feb 09 14:14
Before the peat was put down they used to run on grass and in the winter when the bends got bad they used to thatch them with straw Johnny humphreys father Johnny from Bromley used to bet their.Clapton,theyll be calling you Mr.Memory,what was on the menu in the restaurant?
By:
Mr. Memory
When: 12 Feb 09 15:23
"whitmarsh"..............I like his style.
By:
hovekermit
When: 12 Feb 09 18:52
Fabulous Fortune was a 75 lb Fawn Dog. Shevlin, Cambers, Smoothy to name a few. There were even three bookies by the 600 yard traps. On walking into the stadium the old classic Red Roses for a blue Lady or an Herb Alpert classic used to ring out. Dunkeld or Muswell prefixs were in abundance. If you broke 35 secs for 660 yards you were useful
By:
helen 1991
When: 12 Feb 09 19:16
Hove Kermit 600 yards was the 6 bend trip, New Cross also had an inside Magee Hare the only track i ever see have one.
By:
clapton
When: 12 Feb 09 20:23
Whitmarsh.. I had a bit of help with that info, it came from an old New Cross programme dated 28th march 1968, I cant remember what was on the menu , but the restaurant was called The Golden Hare.. I still bow to yourself & Mr Memory where great memories are concerned, but what fabulous days they were.
By:
clapton
When: 12 Feb 09 20:28
Hovekermit.. you are bang on with those songs, can hear them now !! Its thursday night why are`nt we there.
By:
hopping
When: 12 Feb 09 20:42
Anyone remember some of these New Cross dogs. Christines Pride, Greenhill Snipe, Wattlehurst Rum, Dunkeld Pal, Muswell Matador, Lisroe Jack , Jerpoint Button , States Spitfire , Palms Knockhill , Toast Broadway , Cody , Champagne Prince, could go on and on .
By:
IanP
When: 13 Feb 09 08:12
Were the dogs kennelled at the tracks in London back then ? The first two tracks I attended in the early 70's - Kings Heath & Perry Barr - both had the dogs kennelled on site, just wondered if it was the same elsewhere.
By:
dungbeetle
When: 13 Feb 09 09:25
they were at rochester
By:
webster
When: 13 Feb 09 09:48
Never missed a meeting at a very tender (under) age.
Waterloo Mona used to provide entertainment - wind in her sales off the last bend.

Baby Joe and What Me were regular graded winners and Home Luck used to come from Wimbledon to mop up the Opens at heavy odds on. Still have the Race Card somewhere from winning the jackpot. I think it was Bat Matrason that won the final leg!!

Great atmosphere and a strong market with plenty of bookmakers and wasn't it nice to draw the old large white Fivers!!
By:
hovekermit
When: 13 Feb 09 10:06
Home Luck, Halfpenny King, Sherrys Prince, RS 11 were some of the track record holders. 600 yards was eventually the standard trip. Hopping, remember every one of those dogs. Jerpoint Button, a blue **, late and fast.
By:
whitmarsh
When: 13 Feb 09 11:23
Old Johnny Warren from Islington made a book at New Cross.He had a top board with a car wing mirror attached to it so he could see the prices the tic tac behind him was showing.The old Lights,Johnny Lights the well known gamblers father,used to look after the batteries and lights the bookmakers and tic tacs used.Thats how they got the name Lights.
By:
Mr. Memory
When: 13 Feb 09 12:12
"whitmarsh"..............I did not know the origin of "Lights" nickname, but I did know "Harry Numbers" very well.
By:
clapton
When: 13 Feb 09 12:28
I see a dog called Buckwheat held the 770 yds track record at New Cross.. am I right in thinking that this dog was involved in the famous Dagenham betting coup ?
By:
Quainton
When: 13 Feb 09 12:41
interesting stuff - someone should write a book capturing all the memories of the old tracks before its too late
By:
matso
When: 13 Feb 09 12:49
Had my first tenner bet there on a dog called Kylera Dan, it won at 9/4 and it seemed like a chunk at the time, great thread this !!
By:
Kinky Devils Love Child
When: 13 Feb 09 12:59
http://www.millwall-history.co.uk/The_Den1962.gif

picture of the stadium overhead, millwalls old ground the dn also in picture.
By:
sparrow
When: 13 Feb 09 13:37
Clapton. Buckwheat was the odds on favourite for that race at Dagenham. The race was won by the Clapton ** Handsome Lass. Forecast paying £987.
By:
webster
When: 13 Feb 09 15:23
matso - you were lucky my first winning bet was the reliable Trap 1 specialist, Broomfield Sam, and I was more than pleased with 6-4 !!
By:
clapton
When: 13 Feb 09 15:48
Sparrow.. you seemed to have been a clapton man, what a place that was, the betting ring was so strong there, fortunes changed hands , as you can see by my name I loved it there, the Scurry in those days was a really top competion, remember Dont Gambol flying there .
By:
matso
When: 13 Feb 09 16:14
Webster, sadly ive spent it all !
By:
hovekermit
When: 13 Feb 09 16:16
Clapton also was responsible for the first video replays in the 60 s !!!
By:
sparrow
When: 13 Feb 09 16:35
Clapton. I was a regular there from 1964 to 1970 when I moved away to Yorkshire.
It was a fantastic place in those days where bottom grade dogs could win minor opens and 4 or was it 5 derby winners trained here at that time. I did not care for 400 yard races and preferred the 760 yard races. Such a shame when the GRA took over and run it into the ground. Dogs remembered Kilcarbery Pride, Kilcarbery King, Park Miss, Lambeth Walk, Prince of Tullig, Chittering prefix, Ballinasloe prefix
Hi Punctual, Hi Pride, Lucky prefix and so many more. With regard to the Scurry I was there when Cranog Bet did the clock in 22.41 and later saw her win the Oaks at Harringay.
By:
whitmarsh
When: 13 Feb 09 16:43
Mr.Memory,Harry Numbers used to call the numbers of the non runners race by race to the on course bookies.The fifth race he used to go round and collect his wages.Harry topped the numbers money up by getting the teas between races for the bookies and workmen.He preferred something stronger himself.The famous racehorse trainerJeremy Tree always told Harry about six horses a year to back and they never threw out. I believe he lived Morden way.I can see him now brown trilby and choker come rain or shine.Mr.Memory you knew a genuine nice man in Harry.
By:
whitmarsh
When: 13 Feb 09 16:50
Clapton,did you ever have a drink in the pub over the road from the track?It was called The Jubilee and the landlord was the Hackney trainer Peter Walsh,the only publican Ive known who didnt know how to pull a pint.
By:
Mr. Memory
When: 13 Feb 09 17:32
"whitmarsh"..............I have a lovely photograph, taken by a friend, of me engaged in deep conversation with Harry at Goodwood.
Harry used to put me in on the Jeremy Tree scene & he once told me how it came about.
The Autumn Double one year paid for a lot.
When the overnight declarations came in, he concentrated on his tea round.......but....in order to still qualify for his wages, he went round the joints religiously before each race, calling out..........."THEY ALL GO, THEY ALL GO"

By the way, in the background of the photograph the figures of two "Blower" people can be seen...........Charlie Wilson & "Eleven to Ten" ("Tipsy")
By:
whitmarsh
When: 13 Feb 09 18:14
Mr.Memory,that photo would be one for the museum of racing ,Harry was the last of the numbers callers.Every time Harry shouted ALL GO Johnny Driscoll would shout back Where they going Harry,You wish you could bet hundred on this scenario being played out race after race.Charlie Wilson and Eleven to Ten Bernie theres two names from the past.Asyou well know Bernie was a hunch back and each time Ryan Price the great trainer saw him he would rub his back for luck when he told Bernie to back one they always won.Rosyth,Elan and Hill House come to mind but the best was Utrillo.
By:
clapton
When: 13 Feb 09 18:27
Whitmarsh..no never went to that pub, always used to rush back to the east end and get on it there !..

Sparrow.. yes remember those dogs that you mentioned, there was always such a buzz about Clapton, I also loved the 760s , do you remember these .. Lucky Hi There.. Little Tiddler .. Not Permissable..etc.
By:
hopping
When: 13 Feb 09 19:10
Just recalled a few more from the old days at New Cross, since reading this thread cant seem to get it out of my mind, Corville Cadet, Dunkeld Prince, Whitmore Katie, Cals Customer, Proud Quest, Silent Endeavour, used to get a train to surrey docks and walk through those back dirt roads to the track.
By:
hovekermit
When: 13 Feb 09 22:23
Corville cadet and Forever Corville. The Grange Gem Muswell Minx and Matador Dundrum Sailor Dunkeld Pal and Dunkeld Petal Admiral Benbow. The kiosk by the tote board. The quaint weights board by the first bend 600yards,The 21 bus stop by the Firestone wheel company, the peanut sellers , the black people asking for two and tree reverse.....happy days
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