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30 Sep 19 16:56
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He is right ,very boring watching -20+ winning all the time ,I liked his comment "I'm sick of coming back over to the European Tour and shooting 15 under par and finishing 30th," four-time major champion McIlroy said on Sunday.

Rory's worst ever winning score is -12(he has 33 worldwide wins) ,he might want to be sure what he wants.
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Report Mighty Whites 2008 September 30, 2019 6:30 PM BST
I concur Frames, McIlroy tends to struggle in events where pars matter.

That said I agree with him in principle there are two many events on both main tours where the winning score is 20 under plus. There are also plenty where mid teens win but they are par 70s.

Personally I prefer the events where the winning scores is between 8 - 12 under much better from a betting and viewing point of view.

I am not sure where they go from here though. The standard of player is very good and on straight forward set ups they birdie for fun. There is a guy on the euro tour who practices and plays at my course a decent par 71 ss 71 course he regularly will shoot in the mid to low 60s yet isn't coming close to keeping his tour card.

They need to find a way of testing all aspects of the game but the distance is a huge problem not just off the tee but also with their irons. These days a 480 par 4 is being hit with a 3 wood 7 iron.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 1, 2019 10:35 AM BST
they went with power and reversed previous tradition that restricted length
via technology.

what else did they expect?

difficult to go back now so they will need to build super long courses that
ordinary golfers will take zero pleasure from playing.

the beauty of the game, when i played, was that i could play same course as them
and enjoy it.

rory needs to think about what he is saying, or else the game will lose
its popularity

he is fine playing in usa, but the next generation may not
get the same rewards he has been given off the popularity of
those that came before him.

he needs to connect with the folk of europe at these events, and
if he cannot win a putting competition just accept that and not want
courses set up to advantage him over others.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 1, 2019 10:41 AM BST
tiger seemed to avoid easy set ups, but never complained about them (that i saw)

they gave others a chance to win if he stayed away !!!
Report therhino October 2, 2019 1:47 PM BST
Personally I prefer the events where the winning scores is between 8 - 12 under much better from a betting and viewing point of view.

I agree, but there aren't many left. Worst winning score to par last season was Casey at Valspar with -8 and Koepka at Bethpage on the same score. Bethpage is a beast and the weather during the last round was terrible, and it still gave up -8. Innisbrook one of the few honest tracks left that the pros can't dismantle. Only other single digits winner was Mitchell at Honda on -9.

There are only two options. We accept it for what it is or they put equipment regulations in place for the pros. Can't butcher courses for a four day tournament that have to function as member courses or via green fee players the rest of the year. I don't see equipment regs coming in, so the scoring is only likely to keep going lower.
Report Mighty Whites 2008 October 4, 2019 9:54 PM BST
Agree Rhino

The average winning score is 2 shots lower now than when Rory came on tour. It is only going to go one way. You only have to look at the korn ferry tour driving distance to see that they are getting leaner and longer year on year.

It isnt just the technology, fitness, bio mechanics are all advancing. Was watching Matt Fitzpatrick with tubes the other day and he was saying how he worked with a specialist on his biomechanics over the winter last year and added 15 yards granted he isnt the longest but just shows what they are adding.

If they could role the driver back to where it was 30 years ago say 260 average with the longer guys 285 or so then they would bring back to life so many great courses that could be played how they should. Not sure it is possible now.

The only way they can halt the scoring is too putt a greater premium on accuracy. Fairways are on average 30 yards wide on tour if they narrowed them and lengthened the rough then it would have an impact whether it would be universally popular im not sure. They seem to be going the other way even in the US open. Failing that they are going to need to build courses that are 8000 yards plus but when they do like at erin hills the fairways re very wide.

I presume at some point at tipping point will come.
Report TheAnorak October 5, 2019 10:55 AM BST
Wouldn't it be possible to have a barrier across the fairway by producing a strip of heavy rough, positioned say 300 yards from the tee and about twenty yards deep. That would deter the pros from trying to clear it off the tee, but would be far enough out not to bother the members and other amateurs.

Don't know how long it would take to grow a strip like that, but it could be mown back to normal fairway pretty quickly after the pro event. And at least, unlike the 'rough' alongside the fairway, it wouldn't be trampled flat by the crowd!
Report Total Bosman October 5, 2019 5:16 PM BST
Course setup definitely needs to respond to the way things are going, and an idea like that would certainly introduce a bit more risk / reward - do you want to be 280 in the fairway or 330 but gouging out of rough?  Ultimately they won't do too much to curb distance because the equipment companies rule and bombs sell drivers.  You don't want to completely level the playing field between the 290 guys and the 350 guys, because distance is a skill, even if modern equipment takes some of the skill out of it, but the game is increasingly desperate to find ways to stand up to the modern pro, and it would certainly help for fairways to become smaller targets.
Report sewter lives again October 6, 2019 3:35 PM BST
I think they should gradually narrow the fairway down from the 280 yard mark to around 330 yard mark.

i don't mean so narrow that the long guys don't take driver but make them sure that if they drive it long they need to still be reasonably straight.

they need to stop the long guys just bombing it with no fear of finding any rough they cant play out of-especially people like Rory/DJ who are hitting over dogleg corners with no fear of penalty ie not playing the course as it was designed
Report frames October 8, 2019 3:52 PM BST
Rolex event in Italy this week ,all reports suggest the course will be a good test for the players , French Open next week ,great course ,another good test.Rory of course not bothering in either ,waiting for the birdie fest in Dubai perhaps.
Report Mighty Whites 2008 October 8, 2019 11:10 PM BST
last time the italian open was on this course 17 years ago - 16 won over three rounds on a par 71 so I will hold my breath on the winning score
Report padlock October 10, 2019 12:27 PM BST
Ah poor boywonder , walofs mabey he should build his own spoiltbrat course and play that on a loop ...
Report Kelly October 11, 2019 1:35 PM BST
Basically the problem is that the golf ball and the equipment that the pros use allows them to destroy courses without playing top class golf .

Manufacturers will not comply with any changes which limit their ability to market their product .  Too much money involved .

Easy way to change the dynamic is to make the pros play with "tournament balls" .  Wimbledon provide their own balls , why can the pro circuit not do the same ?  The driving ranges already limit driving distance by providing their own balls , why not tournaments ?

The alternative is to foster a completely biff and bash type of golf , and globally we are running out of real estate to accommodate course 8000 yards long .  That's a long walk , adds time to any average round , most average golfers can't cope with longer and longer courses .  Hence the drift away , most courses locally are struggling to recruit new members . 5 hours plus is too long for an average round .
Report frames October 13, 2019 3:51 PM BST
Good news for Rory ,-15 would not of won.-4 finished in a tie for 25th.Absolutely no wind all week ,soft greens ,preferred lies all week.A good test .
Report Total Bosman October 14, 2019 2:14 PM BST
They all talk a good game about wanting a tougher test, but no takers for Le Golf this week.  Why work for your money when they're giving it away for a couple of weeks in the Far East?
Report frames October 14, 2019 3:06 PM BST
A shame for the event ,the switch to Autumn has done them no favours, pathetic field ,bloke called Vera currently fav on here.
If any course deserved to be a Rolex event then it's this one , they've had there Ryder Cup , that's there lot.Let's hope they don't go the way of the Welsh RC venue with no event at all.
Report Total Bosman October 14, 2019 5:09 PM BST
Feels like the Euro Tour has really lost it's way, shameful the treatment of one of their best events and best courses.  And giving the Rolex status to Italy didn't do all that much for them either - fact is, the big names can now tick off the events they need and get a guaranteed pay day mopping up desert appearance fees so no matter what they do with the prize money there's not much incentive for them to show up.  But sad to see that only one year on from the Ryder Cup only one player from it has bothered to show up.
Report Mighty Whites 2008 October 14, 2019 9:01 PM BST
From July 21st until the 18th August there wasn't an event at the height of summer an event in europe. With hindsight and the state of the field this week it could have surely been slotted in at some point.

Can see why many of the top players have skipped it. Paris in the middle of October is asking for trouble weather wise, it could be a long week if you were struggling at this time of year.Add in the fact that this event is shoehorned in alongside a number of big events in europe and clashing with the wheelbarrow season in the far east then it is not surprising it is relatively a weak field.
Report sewter lives again October 15, 2019 8:10 PM BST
they have bolloxed up the whole global golfing schedule

imo the change to the Major schedule doesn't work

the European schedule is now a complete joke and has resulted in a huge drop off in my interest and the amount i actually watch European golf
Report Total Bosman October 15, 2019 11:40 PM BST
French Open appears to be back to the start of July next year....but opposite the WGC in Memphis, so still guaranteed a dog of a field.  National open, been around for over a century, one of the best courses they play, treated like dogsh1t.
Report sewter lives again October 16, 2019 12:35 PM BST
totally agree TB
Report Mighty Whites 2008 October 16, 2019 9:00 PM BST
Im not a big fan of the major schedule change but previously the major season ended only a few weeks later. I would have preferred to see the pga and a wgc moved to october and played as part of the new wrap around season. The schedule change has helped the eurotour and offered them a window.

The french open is struggling because it is lacking a major sponsor the post ryder cup one fell through - surprise surprise.

Talk that next years wont be at Paris national
Report Mighty Whites 2008 October 16, 2019 9:03 PM BST
Brooks throws down the gauntlet to Rory

“I’ve been out here for, what, five years,” Koepka told AFP. “Rory hasn’t won a major since I’ve been on the PGA Tour. So I just don’t view it as a rivalry. I’m not looking at anybody behind me.​
Report Catch Me ifyoucan October 17, 2019 7:24 AM BST
Out of context comments imho Devil
Report lfc1971 October 25, 2019 10:41 PM BST
They need to turn 18 hole courses into 15 and make some of the par 4 and par 5 holes longer
Problem solved
Report Deplasterer October 26, 2019 1:52 AM BST
Don't forget lads, we all watch golf for years, betting and the enjoyment etc.. But 95% watch golf majors and ryder Cup only, they like birdies and eagles for the minority.
Report lfc1971 October 26, 2019 5:14 PM BST
That becomes boring , if too easy
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