Mark Roe

He booms in with cliches as if they are revelations. For heavens sake Mark, people with little better to do on a Saturday evening watching a golf channel might just understand the intricacies of the game.
Please refrain from being so patronising.

He is the worst commentator in sport, all he does is state the obvious and explain to us what we can see ourselves with our own eyes.

I'll tell you how bad it has become i have started to be glad when Ewen Murray is commentating

you beat me to it Trebor, getting to number 1 is harder than winning a major

wasnt Westwood a 12/1 joint favorite for the masters one time? im by no means certain of that i just recall it for some reason.maybe it was afte the first round that timehe was leading.

I wonder how many of those now looking back on their career would have preferred to have got to number 1 rather than be known as a shock 1 off major winner.

None.

To golfers it's about winning championship majors. Being 'world number 1' without having won a major is almost a point of ridicule and not celebration.

Donald, Westwood, Monty etc have always been accused of 'not being number 1' because of a lack of majors.

Duval was world number one for a long time prior to Woods domination. If he didn't win The Open then it would have been very hollow. Winning his major cemented him as a proper number one in history.

Far to much air time is given to rankings and not sufficient to winning. Trophies is how a golfers career is measured. Nearly men like Donald, Westwood, Monty will always be remembered for '0' majors and not the number of Order of Merits they have won.

It's like football. For years Arsenal viewed 'Top 4' as a trophy. Yet the record books show they have won the European Cup '0' times. Liverpool (until recently) over that period couldn't even qualify most of the time. Yet they have won it 5 times. Arsenal had a higher European seeding/ranking. But of course that means feck all.

I agree xmoneyx

Well Charwell as it does not seem to be your opinion, I can only congratulate you on the speed you managed to contact and get a response from all the tour pro's, sure puts me in my place, felt sure at least one would agree getting to number 1 equal or above to getting a major. Can only thank you for not putting in the cringe worthy FACT!! after None.

Anyway just a couple of questions, How does football come into this discussion, it is a team sport and you can pick up the trophy and never come of the subs bench the whole tournament, very different to Golf.

And 2nd question, what happened to Mark Roe's opinion, a sceptic might think that's the only one you actually got, can't just ignore it because it didn't match yours and say "None"


And Puggy that is the exact situation I envisage, telling the Grandkids that you where the number one golfer in the world over winning a major is better in my eyes. But I am prepared to accept that my opinion will be in the minority. I just don't think that someone should get abuse and referred to as "Peddles utter tosh at times." just because it does not match their opinion.

mm let me think world number 1 for a week or sinking the winning putt on the 72nd hole and having someone give you a green jacket

absolute no-brainer pity I will never get that jacket

all those onlt got to number 1 because of Tiger being away, i think the only guys to make it in the era of Tiger were Vijay and Duval, not even Phil managed it, i remember he had a few tournies where a winwould make him number 1 and he played very poor each time.

Bit of a difference quoting Phil Mickelson and the likes of Curtis/Micheel.  If I had a son just starting a pro golf career would I take Phil Mickelson's career or Lee Westwood's?  Mickelson obviously.  Would I take Shaun Micheel's career over Lee Westwood's?  No way.

It depends whether you judge it on how much of a shock it was at the time, versus what they subsequently do in the rest of their career.  For example Zach Johnson and Louis Oosthuizen both won majors at odds of 300-400 whereas Willett was the world number 12 going into Augusta and I can't remember his exact price but was probably in the 70-80 range.  Obviously Zach & Louis kicked on a bit from their surprise wins unlike Willett...but to be honest even if Willett retired today he still has had a better career than Beem, Curtis, Micheel, Hamilton, Y.E. Yang or Glover.

Seems like it's been a few years now since we had one of those proper shock winners in a major, perhaps we are due!

Don't think Danny was world no 12 going into Augusta as his highest career ranking was 11 which was after the Masters. He was 90-95 for the Masters the year he won, a friend of mine backed him at 90. He had won in Dubai earlier in the year.

He's awful, wish I had a pound for every time he says "one of the best bunker, wedge, drivers, up and downers etc etc in the game, just listen to it this week its non stop

Sorry, my mistake.  I misread the original post.

Best of luck with your selections KR, I remember you backed Bubba four years ago at 28, maybe you fancy him again at 22?

a very good comparison saxon F, he and MF either state the bloody obvious as if they are geniuses, or spout sh!te as if it is gospel. such yawn material.

I still find the guy nauseating.