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By:
Utd Fan
When: 06 Nov 09 16:45
Why you need to start throwing insults around astonishes me, it really does. If thats what being full time is all about then I am happy I just do this for a bit of fun and to make a few £££.

btw if being a d1ck means picking up a nice trade on Micko then I will take it as a compliment :^0
By:
double trouble
When: 06 Nov 09 17:59
Because your behaved like one, that's why. Why bring this back up this morning? Nothing Ive said on this thread has been proved inaccurate anyway and it certainly wasn't codswallop.

If TMMIDWI had dragged it up then fair enough, he's the one who was trying, unsuccessfully, to disprove my theory.
By:
Utd Fan
When: 06 Nov 09 18:05
how have I behaved like a d1ck :^0

TMM used a very funny word in Codswallop and came out with a cracking shout on Micko.

I havent made a comment about you so chill out ffs
By:
Take My Money, I Don't Want It
When: 06 Nov 09 18:06
Your theory sucked and I have proved that, Micko and Quiros were both -3, and this isn't what you call a catch up course. Well that is exactly what they have done.
You might make money on here, but that doesn't mean you are always right, just most of the time
:)
By:
double trouble
When: 06 Nov 09 18:18
TMMIDWI, you are talking through your backside but that's nothing new. Please highlight what I have said that is wrong and please answer my ? (the 3rd time of asking). Where are the level par players that were sure to get involved please?

Utd, this forum used to be good, you could have an intelligent debate about the state of play. And you were one of those that offered it up! Yes Codswallops an hilarious word, but this clown offered no intelligent debate, never does. He's still trying to rubbish my input just for the hell of it. Nothing that has happened today has changed my opinion that this is NOT a catch up course.

I repeat, Lefty and Quiros shot the best rounds of the day and from tied 13th are still trailing. And thats with a couple of top class players (and 3 lesser lights) performing very poorly.

There are some good points on this thread from Super Hans and always lay off, but unfortunately they get lost in the rubbish, or should I say codswallop?
By:
double trouble
When: 06 Nov 09 18:19
That said, I apologise for calling you a dick utd...
By:
ronsk
When: 06 Nov 09 18:21
This plaice is full of codswollop, it's totally haddock as far as I'm concerned!!! :(
By:
graycm57
When: 06 Nov 09 18:24
You're just fishing though
By:
Utd Fan
When: 06 Nov 09 18:26
no problem, I was just trying to add some humour and it backfired.

I was more giddy the fact that Micko got me out the poo following my prolific poor selections in Dyson,Goosen and Jeev

I have given TMM some stick in the past but at least he is drumming up debate like your good self. It would also be a dull old world if we constantly agreed :)
By:
ronsk
When: 06 Nov 09 18:27
Just angling for a lighter shade of debate to be honest... Too many maggots around though imv...
By:
double trouble
When: 06 Nov 09 18:32
My sense of humours gone utd. It'll be even worse tomorrow with yet more sleep deprivation!

I'm so tired I cant even think of a witty fish based retort for Ronsk's entertainment!
By:
ronsk
When: 06 Nov 09 18:34
Then stop carping on and get some flaming sleep man!
By:
Utd Fan
When: 06 Nov 09 18:44
I never trade when tired too many sharks on here to take advantage.
By:
double trouble
When: 06 Nov 09 18:45
I've tried, but I'm not a very good kipper in the day..
By:
ronsk
When: 06 Nov 09 18:48
I've never heard such complete and utter polloks in my life!
By:
Take My Money, I Don't Want It
When: 06 Nov 09 18:49
All I am saying DT is that I do not believe there is such a thing as a non catch up course, this is professional golf, anybody can catch anyone anywhere, fact!
And I'm piling some more onto Micko I just love his chances.
OK none of the levels or -1 got back into it, but 2 of the -3's did and you said anyone below -5 was out of it, which has been proven that statement was complete and utter codswallop!!!
By:
ronsk
When: 06 Nov 09 18:51
That's it, I'm out of here... You lot have a whale of a time debating whether it's a catch-up course or not... Big fish, little fish, cardboard box!
By:
Take My Money, I Don't Want It
When: 06 Nov 09 18:53
You going out clubbing ronsk??
By:
Utd Fan
When: 06 Nov 09 18:55
Meaning

Nonsense.

Origin

Portrait of Hiram CoddThe origin of the term codswallop is unclear. The most widely quoted story has it that of Hiram Codd, an English soft drinks maker during the 1870s, who developed a technique for bottling lemonade. This process involved the insertion of a glass marble as a stopper into the neck of the bottle. When the bottle was shaken the resulting pressure from the fizzy pop forced the marble against the neck to form a seal.

The Codd BottleThe device was called, not unreasonably, the Codd Bottle.

Wallop is a slang term for beer, and beer drinkers would certainly be disdainful of bottled soft drinks. This slang term dates from around the early to mid 20th century. Eric Partridge, in A Dictionary of Slang, claims it as serviceman's slang and dates it from the 1930s. An early example of it in print comes in J[ohn] B[oynton] Priestley's Three men in new suits, 1945:

"It's drink... Booze or wollop... Nine times out of ten... you wake up in the morning... with the usual hangover."

It's not difficult to see how a soft drink in a Codd Bottle could have come to be called codswallop.

There's no actual evidence for that derivation though. In fact, such neat plausibility without evidence is often the mark of the linguistic mythology known as folk etymology. Look no further than these popular fallacies for confirmation of that.

The earliest known citation of the phrase in print is the script of a 1959 episode of the UK TV series 'Hancock's Half Hour'. The writers Galton and Simpson don't claim to have coined the phrase, which they say was in public circulation when the show was broadcast.

'A load of codswallop' sounds old and the Hiram Codd story has a certain appeal. The problem with the tale, apart from the lack of any supporting evidence, is the entirely implausible notion that the phrase was in popular circulation since 1870 but somehow didn't manage to get into print until 1959. That lack of printed record is despite the fact that an appeal for early citations that was made on national TV in the UK in 2006 failed to uncover any citations earlier than 1959. Also, if Mr. Codd's drink were the derivation we would expect to find early examples of the name in the form Codd's Wallop - but there aren't any such examples. That, along with the fact that the term 'wallop' itself wasn't associated with its 'drink/beer' meaning until well after Codd's death, makes the 'Codd's Wallop' derivation highly improbable.

The most likely explanation is that it is a made up nonsense word that just sounds right for its meaning.

Cod is a little-used slang word meaning 'to hoax or take a rise out of', known since at least 1873. It was used in much the same way we now use the verb 'to kid', as here in a quotation from 1884:

"Tha'st only coddin me as tha allus does; tha'l none tay me to see th' fair."

That could be the origin of the cod in 'codswallop', but that's just plausible speculation, which brings us back full circle.
By:
Utd Fan
When: 06 Nov 09 18:57
thats me out of here too, I am battered with all this coddin around

when you do get some sleep DT - sweet breams
By:
double trouble
When: 06 Nov 09 19:03
Thanks for finally answering the ? But you are misquoting me..

I at no point said that anyone below -5 was out of it

I said that on the evidence we had that I wouldnt be interested in anyone under -5. and tbf that may still be the right strategy.

The fact that you dont believe theres such a thing as a catch up course explains why you refused to see where i was coming from tbh,
By:
double trouble
When: 06 Nov 09 19:04
LOL utd, quality..
By:
Take My Money, I Don't Want It
When: 06 Nov 09 19:14
Yeah I heard people use that term before and I simply don't agree.
On an easy course good conditions the leader could play poorly and shoot say -1 and the catcher could shoot -8.
On a difficult course or tough conditions the leader could shoot +4 and the catcher -3.

Please explain to me what makes a catch up course or not a catch up course, I am intrigued.
By:
double trouble
When: 06 Nov 09 19:37
In theory what you say is true, but in reality it's rarely the case. There will always be isolated cases that go against the norm though. But in the long run you're better off following the trends and spotting the new ones imo.

It's very hard to come from off the pace at a US Open for example. And thats because the set up is so difficult that going low just doesnt happen, and at the other end of the spectrum a course where scoring is easy plays into the hands of the leaders as even if theyre nervous and play a few loose shots they can still recover easily and score.

Obviously if theres just one or two players clear then they can have poor days and get passed easily...As Kaymer, Casey, Lin, Dougherty, and Lowry did last night. But when theres a few up there its hard to see them all struggling...

Looking at previous years results can be a very good guide and its amazing how at certain courses third round leaders have very good records and at others they have terrible records.

As you rightly pointed out earlier, 4 years is a small sample to draw conclusions from but I still feel that its hard to make up ground here.
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