Going against the grain

This is a thread to show how you can make money off the forum by going against people’s opinions. I have picked out a thread called ‘The SADO Thread’ and will go up against some self-called Maestros. It is a thread to make money, I have nothing against any of the tipsters but I will have some light humour along the way and uncover some truths.

green army
04 Dec 12 14:04

i think arsenal at 4 almost look like a back now - the kids are looking for a go in the 1st team & have been v impressive in the cola cola cup - i've taken arsenal 3-2 at 50 & the greeks 3-2 at 38

He thinks Arsenal are a value bet so lets lay Arsenal @4

Olympiakos 2-1 Arsenal (+0.95 we win)

green army
03 Dec 12 22:25

thought on a bit and having a speculative interest on shakhtar as follows

the last thing either side will want to see happen is a perceived carve up , particularly juve with their history and the british press sniffing around cos of the chelsea factor, i cant see either side downing tools if they are level until late in the game , maybe after 70 mins - so for at least the first half i reckon both sides will go for it , particularly juve who cant afford to lose , and a close high scoring game may happen - the ludicrously low 3-3 price indicates this as a possibility

therefore with possible early goals i'm taking a small interest in AOS at 22 and will look to trade out in-play

He said early goals and lots of them so I’m betting ht 0-0 @3.3

Shaktar 0-1 Juventus (0-0 ht so I win +2.19)

sweetchildofmine
04 Dec 12 14:31

might just have to lay a little of the 3-3  and a bigger lay on 2-2, i can see a prearranged fix, its too high profile and just takes one pair of loose lips, however the players may themselves take it upon themselves to play out a goalless draw, or even 1-1. its harder to see a manipulated 2-2, 3-3 imo

just read this back and it looks like gobblydeegook but what the hell im going with it 

green army
04 Dec 12 14:49

scom i dont think anyone would risk arranging a result as such these days - people have gone to prison & its not quite the italian way to be so obvious, a 0-0 where the game died early in the 2nd half would really look too awful & would have consequences beyond this game

certainly a 1-1 is v possible but for me a 2-2 is more likely, of course we will never know but I reckon if there are any tacit "discussions" anywhere they would go along the lines of, well lets play a "normal" game , but of course if near the end both sides are able to obtain a point this is a good result for both clubs , from an italian perspective there is nothing "wrong" with this approach

sweetchildofmine
04 Dec 12 14:55

sorry typo in my post..it should have said ''I CANT see a prearranged fix''

sweetchildofmine
04 Dec 12 14:56

wasnt there a game last season where it looked an obvious draw and 2-2, and 3-3 were so incredibly short they just had to be laid

I think they are insinuating a draw here so lets lay DRAW ca.@1.96 (they mention the draw was odds-on)

Shaktar 0-1 Juventus (+0.95 we win)

green army
05 Dec 12 21:42
may be a trade brewing on sunday real betis 11 v barca , messi looks v unlikely to recover when carried off tonite , betis (sevilla game excepted) are a dour resilient side esp at home beating real 1-0 a couple of weeks back , may come in to single figures

Betis 1-2 Barca (Messi with both goals inc. the first goalscorer)

green army
06 Dec 12 08:19

cookies da man

videoton look a big price at 4.9 at sporting lisbon - sporting have failed, are bottom and out and poor in the portuguese league scoring only 5 goals in 5 games at home , videoton need to win to qualify if results go well in belgium and look an ok side

We will lay Videoton @4.9

Sporting 2-1 Videoton (+0.95 we win)

Bridgeboy
06 Dec 12 15:30

Spurs 0-0 look a little big to anyone at 16.0 i make it closer to 14.0 . . .

green army
06 Dec 12 15:36

bridge , I'll be accused of ATing but thats the name of the thread (good idea that), took 0-0 at 18.5 yesterday & 1-0 panny at 32, they are a good defensive side and prices now are similar to the spurs v wigan game so maybe about right

the lpool price at odds on looks ridiculously low, trying to work out Udinese exact incentive here but I'm going 1-0 udinese at 15.5 anyway

They are insinuating a tight game in London so lets bet Over 2.5 @1.7

Tottenham 3-1 Panathinaikos (we win 0.7)

“Liverpool price looks ridiculously low” so we will do the opposite and bet Liverpool @1.8

Udinese 0-1 Liverpool (we win 0.8)

sweetchildofmine
06 Dec 12 15:57

im not involved in these games tonite but pardew has told travelling fans before they bought tickets not to expect a win tonite..theyve already qualified and are seriously understrengthed with a front pairing of campbell(who?) and ranger (da wannabe gangsta)

SCOM would have had a win here as Newcastle lost 2-0 but he didn’t get involved. Unlucky!

smithy91
06 Dec 12 20:27

Fixtures 06 December / Tottenham v Panathinaikos / First Goalscorer  Jermain Defoe Lay 23853351594 06-Dec-12
20:17    C 4.1  50.00   4.1 50.00

Fixtures 06 December / Tottenham v Panathinaikos / First Goalscorer  Jermain Defoe Lay 23853096852 06-Dec-12
20:08    C 4.3  100.00   4.3 100.

evening gents the mug punters are out in full force tonight. defoe 4/1 with bet 365 or you can have just over 3/1 with me .

i cleared up nicely on the shaktar vs juve correct score market. backed 0-1 and 1-0 heavily either side and layed the living daylights out of 1-1 2-2 and 3-3. one thing which was bad is that when juve scored i had to toss value away and start backing 1-1 at 3.45 when it should of been much higher or would of risked a four figure loss if they eqaulised and it stayed 1-1.

Football / Shakhtar v Juventus : Correct Score 05-Dec-12 19:45  05-Dec-12 21:39  644.33 
Football / Shakhtar v Juventus : Half Time Score 05-Dec-12 19:45  05-Dec-12 20:33  -50.00

Fixtures 05 December / Shakhtar v Juventus / Correct Score  0 - 1 Back 23832639453 05-Dec-12
17:01    C 12.5  75.00   12.5 862.50

i lost £180 on the cricket unfortunatley and considering i upped my stakes for the third test from 1k to 2k i'm not to disspointed by this. if i'd of held out for another seshion i could of got green but due to my lack of knowledge on the sport i want a trade their when i wake up after the first few hours play .

i have a great trading tip for this weekend in my opinion. liverpool at 2.54 away at west ham. we all know what happens to liverpool don't need to go into that. but one thing i was thinking about is they played swansea away last week and went off at 2.12 (backed in again).  now if you gave me a choice of swansea or west ham at the same odds to beat liverpool at home i'd choose swansea. so then bear in mind that west ham are in good form but newcastle were last season and liverpool went 2.46 into 2.24 at st.james park. so we know form dosen't come into consideration so finally throw in they have just played in the europa league and i still reckon 2.3 on liverpool we'll see .

Here comes the young prodigy with useless aftertiming. He layed Defoe a wise move as Adebayor scored the first goal of 3 for tottenham and Defoe only scored the last goal. These Mug Punters will be back to haunt him later in the thread.


green army
06 Dec 12 20:37

i'm amazed by west brom's price at 7.6 , you would expect a v similar game to arse v swansea - swans & wba away records are v similar & they play a similar game - i've taken wba 3-0 at 250 & 3-3 85 to trade too

& what about sunderland 5.0 v a v fragile chelsea - i thought sunderland were good 2nd half at norwich & chelsea at w ham (again sunderland will play a similar game) well.....

smithy91
06 Dec 12 20:40

i agree green army on west brom. and chelsea are a lay at 1.83 although i said that last weekend against west ham only to wake up on saturday morning with a red screen

Our bets going against the aces:

Lay WBA @7.6 (Green Army)
Lay Sunderland @5.0 (Green Army)
Bet Chelsea @1.83 (Smithy)

Results:
Arsenal 2-0 WBA (we win 0.95)
Sunderland 1-3 Chelsea (we win 1.74)

green army
07 Dec 12 16:04

been a bit of an epic day with spurs , the draw at eden gardens and now laying the 0-0 at 14 at ewood tonite

west brom coming in nicely too for tomorrow - are wigan almost worth a back now at 2.52, qpr haven't won in 16 tries

Our bet is to lay Wigan against the advice of that Green Army chap who thinks he has spotted a bit of value @2.52

Wigan 2-2 QPR (we win 0.95)

hejik
07 Dec 12 16:42


Dec 7, 2012 -- 3:51PM, Bridgeboy wrote:

Frankfurt 5.00pm ko, 0-0 overpriced at 14.0 if anybody wants to go inplay for a min or two. . .

hope you were in for a minute and not 2 bridgeboy

Bridgeboy
07 Dec 12 16:50

I was out before ko but took 14.5 fot £35 that popped up after ko and got 2 ticks before the goal at 1 min 40 ish seconds, £9green on all scores, now hows that for aftertiming?

Nice bit of work there by Bridgeboy sounds like he avoided a big loss by not going IP like he suggested he might do. Well done.

green army
08 Dec 12 09:58

vallodolid look a v good price v real tonite - real are right out of sorts away from home in la liga - lost last time at betis (similar odds to here) - their away record is similar to valladolids home - hoping for sub 10

Real Madrid lose two on the bounce away? nah.. not for me let’s lay Valadolid @10.5

Valladolid 2-3 Real Madrid (we win 0.95)

tommycockles
08 Dec 12 10:29

GA- Just wondering.....how bad are Plymouth at the moment? Surprised to see my team (the mighty York  ) so short for their trip to Home Park this aft. Admittedly York have a decent away record (only 3 defeats in 25 or something) but surprised they are so short today. Cheers

green army
08 Dec 12 11:36

arse 0-0 all done - but down on sunderland, amazed at the confidence in chelsea - i'm having a good old fashioned punt at these prices

tommy - things at home park feel even lower than last year , at least we had some fight , the players aren't that bad but just waiting for the manager to go , he's a friend of the new owner , maybe today will be the last game ,your price is about right , anything over 2.5 is good

Golden rule of betting is don’t bet on your own team Tommycockles but I will lay you the bet so lay York 2.5 (2pts because Green Army agrees). He can’t believe the price on Chelsea... it’s too short he thinks and he’s having a good old-fashioned punt (laying Chelsea). We like punts so we will bet Chelsea again, 2pts because it’s a punt.

Plymouth 2-0 York (we win 1.80)
Sunderland 1-3 Chelsea (we win another 1.58)

smithy91
08 Dec 12 13:19

chelsea 1.68 it's lay time :)

Its like taking candy from a baby we win another 0.65

green army
08 Dec 12 13:30

fletcher not playing - but even so , madness - this is a side that cant win in the prem that went out with a whimper a w ham & sunderland were really good 2nd half - I'm having one of my rare "bets" of the season

smithy91
08 Dec 12 13:44

agreed green army i've layed at 1.66 and 1.7 and torres anytime scorer as usual 21 goals in nearly 90 appearances should not make 2.84

This is getting boring now. I’m not taking more money off them by betting Chelsea again but I’ll have some of Smithy’s Torres Anytime @2.84

Sunderland 1-3 Chelsea (Torres 2 goals inc. first goalscorer) we win 1.75

smithy91
08 Dec 12 14:14

torres has scored  hope my other bets will level things up

Not so easy posting before the event, should stick to after the event like Defoe. I’m sure he will be along later with some IP recovery magic.

green army
08 Dec 12 14:33

yeah bad day , sunderland then arsenal score when i had some nice CSs on west brom , a dive apparently , tranny ahead tho smithy - they did look a big price v pompey

This was a case of aftertiming too soon. Final score: Tranmere 2-2 Portsmouth

smithy91
08 Dec 12 14:54

yes green army tranny ahead.I'm currently sat in a very nice profit as things stand from my straight bets although still 45 to go things could change.not many people will of layed swansea and leicester I went for it :)

A bit of half time aftertiming here... a bit risky, it’s better to wait for the final whistle but he got away with it this time. No bets for us though as he didn’t post before the event.

roadrunner46
08 Dec 12 14:58

Chelsea  my football NAP of weekend

A bit of halftime aftertiming from this Roadrunner just to rub some salt into their wounds. Good on him I say, let them have a taste of their own medicine.

sweetchildofmine
09 Dec 12 20:26

fancy fulham to regain the winning thread tomorrow night, or may just lay newcastle for a bit of insurance

SCOM comes into the picture now with a fancy of Fulham. He is being cautious though by only laying Newcastle, we will do the opposite and back Newcastle @ca.4.3

Fulham 2-1 Newcastle (we lose 1.0)

Gosh I’ve just lost a bet, is this the turnaround for the A Team?

smithy91
10 Dec 12 14:15

I've been caught twice on previous Monday night's big game backing the home team not this time. is the away team being backed in for the big Monday night match on the verge of becoming a trend?

A golden nugget here from the prodigy, I’ve just added this one to my strategy.

baggiebird
10 Dec 12 17:51

fulham are on the drift guys I layed 3k at 2.02 last night. it's no wonder going off their recent form

Thanks for the heads up smithy-layed at 2.02 now 2.14 and still drifting-going to leave mine a while.

Only problem I can see here is this thread is inevitably going to end up the same way as the last thread and eventually the forum will disappear.

Good luck to you all.

Looks like Smithy has some fan mail and had a good game with a pre KO lay to back in the Fulham game. I’m only interested in laying their predictions of how the game will go though. Come on guys.

smithy91
10 Dec 12 19:35

please don't ban me I will be a huge loss to the forum :)

He thinks a lot  of himself the prodigy but in fairness he has just had his first winning trade in 7 pages.


Carlos4441
11 Dec 12 11:43

Surely Fletcher will be fit? he only just failed a fitness test for Chelsea game, he was out on the pitch running around prior to kick off.

Also Reading are hopless away, long journey up north. Sunderland gonna be desperate for a win.

Carlos comes in and takes some off me with a well thought out bet. Unfortunately for the gang they didn’t take his advice and continued to slag it out with Hejik.

Sunderland 3-0 Reading (-0.70 laying Sunderland at ca.1.7)

smithy91
12 Dec 12 08:19

the draw has come in on the cricket guys.tonight I will place a lay and hopefully I wont wake up at 4 like last week which was just to early :(.as for last night I traded the valenciannes vs psg game live at 6 on espn. the lowest bookie price on zlatan ibrahimovic to score first was 3/1 yet punters were hammering into my 3.7. I even got matched again at 3.7 after 20 mins in play. low and behold he netted first and went on to score a hatrick. I then shut my laptop and went out to play football instead of trading the arsenal game.hope for better luck in the cricket this week

Hopefully Smithy will have learnt his lesson laying goalscorers now after his Torres and Zlatan losses. Not forgetting his lucky Defoe aftertime. Let’s find out.

green army
12 Dec 12 08:34

smithy the draw price looks immense, aggers reckons it'll spin from day 1 with cracks already visible and england may even play a 3rd spinner , treadwell , with finn doubtful

i'm already a little down as englands price is out , tho lord knows why theyre still the more likely side to win the game, but anyway , stick with the draw

swansea have a couple out tonite and boro are good away from home and look ok at these prices

Green Army fancies Boro in the Coca Cola Cup. I have no prices but Swansea won the Cup so a return of 0.95 points for me once Betfair have taken their cut.

green army
12 Dec 12 22:13

scom - it is nice & peaceful round here today !

some good entertainment tomorrow am , the final session in nagpur followed by monterrey v chelski - the mexicans appear to be q decent & may play for a 1-0 with delgado their danger man - I'm on 1-0 & 0-0 at 17.5

He’s an expert on Mexican football aswell…there is no end to his talents. He is suggesting a tight game shall I lay him unders or does he want a Mexican win?

Monterray 1-3 Chelsea (either way I win +0.95)

sweetchildofmine
12 Dec 12 22:14

probably lay chelsea tbh

oh dear, I win again on the same bet. This is what the forum layers like, plenty of predictions +0.95

More and more bickering and reporting to the BF police now. Green Army gives three back to lays but I want match predictions. Less bickering and more guessing please.

green army
13 Dec 12 17:46

Hastings draw Match Odds has hit 4 - cant see any reason for this

Welcome to my World. I can’t see any reason either. Who’s playing? The Normans?

Bridgeboy stealing pennies trading random correct-scores all on this page.

Bridgeboy
13 Dec 12 19:38

Las Palmos over 3.5@3.35 and over 4.5@6.6 look like lays but very low liquidity. . .

But then he kills me with two odds-on bets

Ended 1-1 whoever they played, took me 3 google searches to find Las Palmas. If he had ten euros on these two bets at el corals he would win €5.60 for a €20 outlay. (-0.56 pts for me)

smithy91
14 Dec 12 13:14

hi guys nice work on the cricket.my month for december so far taken some fairly hefty blows etc in play along the way. last sunday in particular was a tough one to take. got caught out in play with man united scoring against the run of play, got done over with two stoppage time goals from everton after i layed them at odds on against tottenham then finally liverpool came back to win 3-2 at west ham after i'd backed west ham at 10s when they were 1-0 down. as soon as diame went off injured the game changed completely in liverpools favour . i did however manage a cheeky bet in that game. if anyone can remember back to liverpool's winning goal on sunday it looked debatable whether it was shelvey's goal or a james collins own goal. as soon as i saw the replays that collins got the touch i left money up to lay shelvey last goalscorer and some people were tricked into thinking he got the touch.

Football / West Ham v Liverpool : Last Goalscorer 09-Dec-12 16:00  09-Dec-12 18:20  56.48
Football / West Ham v Liverpool : To Score 09-Dec-12 16:00  09-Dec-12 18:10  214.56
Football / West Ham v Liverpool : Match Odds 09-Dec-12 16:00  09-Dec-12 17:57  -401.00

this is december so far-

Cricket: -£180.87 | Football: £1,047.13 | Special Bets: £97.43 | Tote: |  Total P&L:  £963.69 

the cricket will be back in  profit after the fourth test in settled. if anyone's wondering what the special bets is well my obsession with gambling has now reached reality tv programs . instead of trading roma vs fiorentina last saturday i opted to trade the x factor final .

Special Bets / The X Factor 2012 : Winner 08-Dec-12 20:00  09-Dec-12 21:32  97.43

these are my predicted price movements this weekend so we'll see how close we get:

stoke vs everton everton 2.52 into 2.4
norwich vs wigan norwich 2.3 into 2.12
blackpool vs blackburn 2.16 into 2. (blackpool were 6/5 with laddies and corals yday)

with the everton game i don't believe the odds are out of line but everton keep getting backed in every week and i can't see them going towards 2.6 for this fixture so IMO its a low risk trade. last season everton went 2.76 into 2.36 for this fixture and i was on the wrong end of the price move.

as for norwich green army already pointed this one out. wigan with injuries and look out of sorts norwich anything but and taken some decents scalps at home already. hopefully the 4-1 defeat midweek to villa in the carling cup will be overlooked by punters here.

i'm off to bloomfield road tommorow for blackpool vs blackburn to watch us more than likely get beat. our 4-1 defeat to cardiff last weekend on friday night was there for everyone to see live on skysports. we were dreadful and henning berg has only won 1 game since taking charge and that was against peterborough who are also terrible. at this rate steve kean will be getting a phonecall to return . as for backing blackpool i expect them to crash into evens at sumpoint tommorow and they are lit up blue on oddschecker which dosen't suprise me. they got a decent point away at palace last weekend and should have to much for us.

Cricket / India v England (3rd Test) : Match Odds 05-Dec-12 03:30  09-Dec-12 04:26  -180.87
Cricket / India v England (2nd Test) : Match Odds 23-Nov-12 04:00  26-Nov-12 05:26  363.49
Cricket / India v England (1st Test) : Match Odds 15-Nov-12 04:00  19-Nov-12 07:24  272.21
                          (4th test) : match odds                                   £317

just like to say thanks to green army, SCOM and malky for help with the cricket some good info noted there i'm very happy to have made a decent profit overall from the four tests  another thing i learnt from the cricket is that i'm definetly not a normal human being. if you go to bed at 11pm which normal people wake up at 4am then at 5:30am both without an alarm clock. just me then. this happened in the fourth test and the third test. i don't do this when football is on maybe its because big money is going in play.

man city in the early kickoff tommorow away at newcastle currently 1.72. well kompany is a major doubt after limping out of the manchester derby last week and kolo toure is not an adequate replacement for him. if this happens i'd expect their price to drift out to 1.8.

finally under 2.5 is to short in stoke vs everton at 1.69. when everton play away from home these days they go out to attack teams and five of their away games this season in the premier league have gone over 2.5 goals. i can appreciate stoke are a big unders team at home but i wouldn't be suprised to see a 2-1 scoreline either way here. i'd price unders up closer to 1.8. best of luck for the weekend

Smithy has gone some here. I can only think of one winning Fulham trade so far but somehow he is 900 up, amazing scenes. In fairness they have had some luck in another sport thanks to some well- known strategy. From what I’ve seen so far they should stick to cricket or aftertiming. Some more price predictions from the young gun but I see a sneaky match thought at the end of his contribution. So I’ll bet Under 2.5 goals @1.69. Also another nugget to add to my strategy is look for all blue on Oddschecker.

Stoke 1-1 Everton (I win +0.66)

green army
14 Dec 12 15:10

test match draws are the gift that keeps giving, the draw has now drifted from 2.9 at stumps to 3.2 now and has drifted similarly yesterday and throughout the last test - it really is a "full bank free money" jobby as they say on the footy forum

with you on most of those smithy tho do watch wigan as they were well backed in this fixture at the end of last season - I cant play tomorrow as I'm in winter wonderland & Hambleys, could be a costly outing

I cant see much of interest on sunday either tho talking of special bets I did back Jessica Ennis at 12s (aftertiming now 8.6) for bbc sports personality as the male / female vote is often split and women may overwhelmingly vote for her rather than wiggins

“Test match draws are the gift that keep giving”,  I hope they don’t lay the draw in New Zealand come March as they could wipe out all this free profit they have made recently. I spot another piece of early aftertiming, so I’m laying Jessica Ennis @8.6

I win as Bradley Wiggins lifts the trophy (+0.95)

smithy91
14 Dec 12 16:51

hi u.a. last season for me it was 100% pre off bets. i felt i wasn't ready to break into in play trading at the time and i feel it was a great decision. i even managed to walk away from euro 2012 after four days being £500 down from in play bets and give it more work.

eventually i want to become a match reader but at the minute i only trade selected televised matches when i can. if i was doing this full time i'd simply have to do all the games as it would be the only source of income. i would say i'm looking at about 70%in play bets now and 30% pre off.

i still believe though pre off tradng is a great way of making money. looking at olympiacos the other week (2.9 into 1.95 against arsenal) the graph was like a ski slope and was a reminder to me what a good system it can be. so for me at the minute i'm enjoying mixing the two together. i'm off work from 21st december until 7th of january now that will be an interesting time for me. an abundance of fixtures to trade and tbh i can't wait!

The prodigy goes on to conduct an interview in which he says he wants to become a match reader. I tried that too but the referees killed me every time. Oh I forgot a CL trade in Greece he won so maybe that 900 profit was real. Like a ‘ski slope’ in Greece it was. Fair play to the lad, how did he do it?

smithy91
14 Dec 12 19:09

mario gomez layed at 3.2 anytime goalscorer please don't come on at half time as there losing 1-0. green army you said mochengladbach 1-0 at 55s

Another goalscorer lay here but he didn’t let us know before the game so I couldn’t lay the bet. Mario Gomez did come on at ht but luckily for the Maestro another player hit the equalizer. Green Army did say Monchengladbach at 55s but Smithy jinxed it at ht with his post. To be fair GA has had around 50 guesses so far at CSs, he is gonna get one right eventually. Crucially though, I thought these were trades rather than bets. I’m not going back and laying all his CS guesses… but I win, trust me or we would have heard about a right one.

sweetchildofmine
14 Dec 12 19:15

smithy the anytime goalscorer, i assume they have to take some part in the game not be an unused sub, like first goalscorer bets?

A nice reminder off his mate. He wouldn’t want the Messiah to end up with egg on his face if Gomez didn’t come on and Smithy declared a winning bet.

smithy91
14 Dec 12 20:13

gomez came on for mandzukic on 65 mins. it was good for me though i layed mandzukic anytime scorer at 1.71


14 Dec 12 20:17

this is a dream game i layed pizzarro at 4.4and theyve given him last 4 mins lol

smithy91
14 Dec 12 20:25

BOOM! 1-1FT. this is the only game i can do until sunday its blackpool away tommorow for me so no inplay bets. a good start to the weekend

sweetchildofmine
14 Dec 12 20:26

pays for the weekend 

sweetchildofmine
14 Dec 12 20:38

looks like be another great week for threadites...

You couldn’t make it up could you, top trading IP from the great. Another great week for threadites? Take away Carlos’ bet and Bridgeboys odds-on shots and I can’t remember laying a winning bet so far.

Total after pages 1-13
+19.11 pts off the boys to level stakes (laying like a bookie to 1pt stake)
22 wins for me (that’s 22 losing bets for the dream team)
4 losses (that’s 4 winning bets for the not so dream team, Carlos and Bridgeboy accounted for three)

I genuinely have not edited the bets in any way or left out any MATCH predictions. This shows how you can make money off the forum by going against the human prediction. Posting here leads to added pressure, picking ‘safe’ options and hence making poor value bets. Mug bets some like to say

This is only 13 pages of 63 but I’m sure if you go through the rest of the thread or forum for that matter you will make money. The more confident and more detailed their analysis is the better (football).

On this particular thread I did not record the trades or back to lay predictions of price movements that they claim to make money on. They may well succeed in this style of betting  but they do not make money predicting outcomes of matches that is for sure (like 99.9% of the rest of us).

The only way you can win is if the odds are wrong, so forget trying to predict outcomes, it can’t be done.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Albert Einstein.

Why I posted
1. prove how bad human prediction is
2. how you can make money going against the grain
3. protect others that may get sucked into thinking that betting is easy and subsequently lose money
4. protect others that may take bad advice from a prolific losing thread despite the cherry picked winners that get broadcast
5. prevent ramping
6. help the contributors improve their betting and rethink
7. give Ken some peace
8. too much time on my hands