I been gambling years, & decided.

you sound like youve got the casino games by the bollox well done

What is your overall p/l on the casinos?

Thank you! You have restored my faith in the wisdom of the forum. Off for a cup of tea now.

And he's only 22.
The sky's the limit obviously.
Scary.

My favourite bit is.....

7. I can't think of anymore.

Give him time.
He's still young.
After all how long did it take you ( or me) to come up with more than 6 good gambling axioms ?

Great post.

Perhaps you could add

8) No, still can't think of anything else.

I would start him off with this...

1) Self exclude yourself from everything that has been added to the site since 2001.

Simples!

Ageists!  Give the kid a chance.

Truth be told.
I sort of hit the wall at zero.

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I maintain that my No1 (above) will probably be the most financially rewarding advice that he will ever get on here.

I'm 21 and this guy is a mug.

1. There are people who gamble for fun, which is completely acceptable. The issue is when profitable gamblers, have 'fun' side bets which always eat into their profits.

2. Casino games are not for those trying to make a profit in the long run.

3. Agree, mostly.

4. Casino games are not for those trying to make a profit in the long run.

5. There are methods to keep risk to a minimum. Logging bets is a must. Cups of tea and TV watching do not improve your edge in the casino.

6. Well, of course. Unless you have a solid trading method of some sort...

7. Great stuff.

Between these 2, we now have 21.5 year olds advising us " oldies " on how best to gamble.
Why not ?
Well let's just say I wish I knew at 21.5 yrs what I now know at 21.5 + x  yrs.
I'll leave open to speculation both whether the knowledge gap is positive or negative and what the x is.
After all, we're not here to give away anything remotely truthful are we ?

playing casino games and expecting to win is like being a surfer and expecting a good day on any random stretch of water on the globe
you could end up riding the crest of a wave on a top venue but your more likely to end up going under in a tropical/arctic storm

funny thing the weather/enviroment!

I'm not advising you, I'm commenting on his advice.

casino players are the acient mariners of the pro gambling world

ancient

One general thing I feel obliged to add to my last rather sarky comment.
In this modern era of PCs, I would expect and hope that any good young gambler would know a helluva lot more than any good young gambler in the pre-PC era, if only due to the invention of spreadsheets and the analytical benefits they bring.

The only problem these days is getting on FAFH.

Of course equally in the wrong hands, what a dangerous tool they can be and it doesn't then matter how old you are.
I guarantee to within an inch of my life that probably both these youngsters are streets ahead of me in terms of computer usage.

One has to admire the young though, as they have more the power to dream and the energy to make it happen, wisdom can leave you very tired,old
and dispondant

WW
I find that no real problem at all.
But I only bet on football and only pre-off.

I will be a professional gambler one day, I am sure of that.

ah football, a game for the young, hit thirty and your off the pay-roll!

but there are very few young footabll managers

case closed

bff
You're only as old as you feel.
Btw you certainly don't seem to me to be old and despondent yet.
Bright as a button. Overpoweringly so most often I would even say.

Yeah but I do suffer badly sometimes as I lack the positive conviction to apply planning, 46 by the way.

WW
Yes you do sound as if you might have the potential to be.
More than the OP that's for certain.

A mere whipper snapper then eh BFF ?

valued comments FAFH, I personally am at a cross-roads in my gambling ventures as I am so tired of form compiling and have gone off the boil
latley as it is certain you need years of data records to arrive at valuable trends and I am venturing into trading now which although
another huge workload in the form of API app development is a more certain medium for retutning x profit!

Trouble is it doesnt matter if you study form/stats or you study market dynamics its all a huge learning curve.

If you have the software writing skills to go the " inplay trading " route then I would agree that might be the best alternative.
But of course you still have to have the " nous" as to be able to excatly define where and how you think you can use the inplay odds movements to generate an effective guaranteed profit, as some seemingly do extremely successfully.
Out of my league this area of gambling is, and will remain forever so, I'm sorry to have to admit.
I have come too late to the game with too few of the required skills to be even a potential expert in play trader ( and I don't mean the guessing type- anybody can become one of those or at least try to ).

Bff
If it was  all that easy then everybody and his dog would be doing it, and it wouldn't then be really all that remunerative.
You can't have one without the other can you?
So either put your nose to the grindstone and get working, or perhaps give up the pro angle and just play for fun , or as an intelligent amateur. Don't have to be a mug necessarily, if you're not a pro, do you ?

Thankyou holy gods, for wonderful advice. My business savings are doing well, started with £30 on bet365 made £670 - spent £250+ on christmas presents - £300 away for projects - christmas bankroll £70 December start lets go.... £100 spare

Sounds like pant wetting time.

Wicked Whisper Nice word 'Mug' Not like you will come to my digital funeral 'Laughs'

I just gave some advice after my experinces,

I can understand exactly what you mean as I am learning new programming languages to arrive at my goal and if I didnt have some
background in this area I would for certain be putt off with veturing down this route, I can say its not impossible for anyone to
learn prograsmming skills but its a long road and requires a lot of conviction.

For me one of the catalists for my personal application quest is the poor quality of whats available on the market these days

The only respectful ones are the excel linked types like gruss which allow you to personalise  triggers but although a great
facility, whats the point if you dont own the correct data for arriving at a profitable method
what yiou have to do is create databases for market data and then sift through this with filters historically to arrive at
valuable methods, this is where all comercial applications fall down and betfairs historical csv data is horibbly
thrown together with little concern for being user friendly, one wonders if betfair are trader friendly anymore
which is a reverse of its ethos that rose it to fame and fortune.

I'm sorry but if you're supposed to be a profitable gambler and the casino is a big part of your rules, you're a mug.

Is it not possble to win at the casino?

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It is not possible to beat the casino.

Some people will win short term. Some people, by sheer weight of numbers will win long term.

But they have not beaten the casino, the casino is laughing all the way to the bank.

With the casino, even when you win you lose.

It's just chance.

If you have X pounds now, then your expected bank after your next casino bet is X-X*CasinoEdge, and no amount of staking or selection can change that.

Casino and Arcade are for complete mugs. If you realise this and get out of it then you have a chance. If you try to convince yourself otherwise then I have little respect.

casino games are a reliable and tried and tested method to makimg vast amount of money as an income and thats a fact.

Thats why so many people own casinos and every betting site promotes them

Yes...but is not possible to win at the casino?

I ment if you own the casino, be silly to keep playing in them lol.

wouldnt it be better to if all the casino players made folded there money money into paper airoplanes and took it in turns to either throw
it off a multi-storey car park or be at the ground level with a good butterfly net, smashing fun.

I miss the old pound notes, these pound coins fly like bricks.

Yes... but is it not possible to win at the casino?

It depends what you mean by win.

Can you go to a casino and leave with reasonably more than you entered? Yes, of course you can get lucky.

Can you do this regularly? No of course not.

Can you do anything to affect the chance you'll double your money? No, not really.

Whenever you play a casino game you are handing money to the casino. Casinos pay out less on average than they take in bets. That's how they profit. You can't change this. If you play blackjack you can give the casino MORE of an edge by playing "perfectly", but even with a perfect game the casino has an edge.

You can never engineer a bet in a casino where you have an edge.

Unless you can card count or detect an asymmetrical distribution of the results on a roulette table

I lost for more than 10 years and deeply enjoyed it, it's much more exciting to watch a match when your money is on the line, you feel the match from the inside it's a great feeling. And all these losses finally learned me how to win, so it's all benefit.

I've heard even card counters are favoured by the casino because the edge is so razor thin, they normally end up profiting either way.

Yes, casinos like to make a show of banning card counters to hype the illusion that people can make money card counting.

With modern deck rotations and shuffling machines, card counting won't get you an edge, but there's nothing the casino loves more than someone walking in who thinks they have an edge.

This is just like Hills etc who pretend they've taken a hammering any time a favourite wins a big race, or pretend they get cleaned out every time man u win the league.

It's all rubbish designed to keep the illusion alive that gambling can be a profitable pasttime for the punter.

ror
No worse than any other marketing campaign for goods that we do not essentially need ?

I would give the OP a couple of pieces of advice which are absolutely priceless!

Close your Betfair account immediately and chuck your PC into the nearest skip.

When I was 20 years old my priorites were playing football, drinking and s******g women. (strictly in that order)

Now my knees are fecked and I can hardly walk.

My liver is fecked and I can't drink anymore.

Don't even mention the third, not even with help of the little blue pill or a splint.

WTF are you doing on here at 20 years old?

Get the feck out there and start living FFS!

You can come back and do this S H I T later when you have burnt yourself out.

how old are you slarti?

32

Not everybody thinks all there is to living is going out playing football, drinking and sleeping with women.

Though I do enjoy two of those, I also like gambling.

Shoot there are so many braggards on here.
If they're not bragging about their gambling exploits,they're bragging about their non-gambling ones.
Is no one err like normal on here ?

ha he wrote like he was 72

Well maybe he just feels 72 ?

WTF!


Braggards and Sleeeee-ping with Women?

Sounds like I have walked into an episode of Jeeeves and Wooster.

Man up FFS!

this is "General Betting". it's fine

Sometimes the forum can be more of a shark pool than the markets! Poor old Meltdown, you've all jumped down his throat. Ok the casino stuff you need to forget about Meltdown, but the rest wasn't that bad.

Man up slarti ?.
Funny but from your earlier post that seems to be the one thing you can't do anymore !

I hate casinos they are useless for profits in the long run, football bets only, but saying that i do go once a month, and as for girls & alcholic parts... every young lad says 'Been there done that' I had my own model agency, & i can admit i haven't been there & done all that, id prefer to stay in & make profits :)

GOD SO MANY REPLYS WHOOOP WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Getting close to the bone there Frog!

Yes Melt, casino's are ok for a night out and a laugh, but that's all. Playing online casino's is futile obviously, but many are addicted.

So you think you have an edge in football markets? You should be able to  state (to yourself) exactly why you are making or losing money. Can you state that?

Yes 100% I have a notepad infront of me.

I read this forum for hours, for advice tips & weight it up against my predicts, but these days it seems not many tips more sillyness on this forum, however some threads make me LOL but when in this to make profits weekly, i like tips & advice & real football discussion more then sillyness.

You gave up your own model agency inoreder to spend more time on BF?
Fck. me now I've heard it all.
You would rather lay football teams than gorgeous girls.
I don't think slarti is going to be too impressed if and when he reads this little extra gem of info.

Trevh
Did you get well and truly stuffed by that late goal in the Juventus/Bologna match ?.
I sure did.
It's moments like that when your patience and discipline get sorely tested.

No. i closed the business, because well lets say you know what most girls are like now days. most strippers are wannabe models, & will never reach high fashion & major catwalk models had 100s of them applying, & most wannabe models who have started there career venuted into adult industery, so i didn't want them types on my books either, to build a premier brand you need premier staff & models, and after giving diet plans, exersice plans, giving them advice, tips, health products ect... case closed. But now the events side is going amazingly well. I use betfair & bet365 for profit towards my business but i don't always make profit i start with a pot, transfer part of then pot, calulate profits & looses per week & write them down in my notepad ect :)

My Advice was just from provious experince.

Yeah I know what you mean.
Fckin. strippers and models.
I'm always havin troubles with them.
Won't leave me alone.

I think Meldown's Betfair model will strip all of his assets away...

ha ha ha. :D

You used to run a model agency and you gave it up to come on here???????

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Ahh! don't tell me. I've got it.

"We're off to see the Wizard, The Wonderful Wizard of Oz"

oops wrong account

Fafh : Trevh
Did you get well and truly stuffed by that late goal in the Juventus/Bologna match ?.
I sure did.
It's moments like that when your patience and discipline get sorely tested.

Hard luck Frog, but no I don't get affected by late goals :)

Does that mean you trade out before the end of EVERY game ?
Otherwise you must be affected, even if not in a sense that you are concerned about ?

Nah I never trade out, yes you're right I was affected in a way that I'm not concerned about.

You cold fish you trevh !
Where's your mojo ?

v mysterious Trevh

to the OP - main income now from gambling?

Trevh is spot on, mojo is no substitute for cool analysis.  I hope undern is reading.

If they're not bragging about their gambling exploits,they're bragging about their non-gambling ones.

How's the multi zillion dollar super household patent going?

Ah I see that little bee is still buzzing about in your head .
Let it go Lori.

You're the one with the issue of people boasting all the time, yet you're the worst offender.

Here we go again.
You're really hopeless Lori.
Please do something about that chip on your shoulder.
Btw I was just trying to be funny in my earlier comment.
Yet once again you chose to interpret it differently.
Same old.

You have 4548 posts and have never yet made an attempt at humour, why should I assume you started just now?

Oh you know how to hurt someone Lori.
Or were you perhaps just joking ?.
Help me out please.
You're good at that.

Btw I thought we had agreed to stop these petty head to heads.
Why the apparent change from your side ?
Missing the action or something ?

MM
Yes I did also think it was quite a witty reply.
Unfortunately it was delivered with a bit too much inherent vitriol ?
But maybe I'm just being a mite precious here.
Let me then give Lori the benefit of the doubt and move on.
Satisfactory all ?.