In-Play Delays Imposed By Betfair ?

Rs1 is correct. It's impossible to have a back keep bet @ 1.25 if the kickoff price was higher.
Anyone saying otherwise doesn't understand the basic of keep bets.

I agree with Eddie, a lay bet is quite possible but not a back bet.

Rs1,

We've been through this on a previous thread.

Trevh is right. I trade every single big football match there is, and I have NEVER seen the phenomenon you are referring to.

If you are so convinced it occurs, why don't you make a video of it and post in on here.

Rsi, I think you are just using a slower inteface. By the time the market reopens on your screen, bets have been fired in several seconds ago.

Rs1 is seething

using the main screen or geeks toy the suspend happens at the same time .... and unsuspends the same time


how can you have money sitting there soon as it unsuspends...

a company has rights to beating the delay to market make ...


i will show you on saturday as there are a few games ... usually happens prem and bundesliga

WAIT UNTIL SATURDAY  ILL BE BACK

Oh heck Arnie is here...

Hello. Look...if you have a genuine grievance take it up with Betfair...and stop seething

if you got a problem go get it looked at ..

if you can help with the discussion then do ... don't come here on my thread and make smiley faces

Surely you are the one who has a problem. Normal people would go the company with which they have a grievance and try and get it sorted that way.

i have and they don't give me an answer ... they said everyone that they know of is on a level playing field

but its not the case as there is that swedish company that gets special treatment

So you are saying Betfair lied to you. That is a very serious accusation.

add something of relevance or go play somewhere else \

So who is this Swedish company who have got special treatment then. Why do they get it and noone else?

Oh and please refrain from using expletives...it's all a little childish

stop usin those stupid  silly faces each post and for god sake add something to the thread or go away

go find out things for yourself

for those of you dont no RS1.. here is a few facts from him. He once came on the forum a couple of months ago asking people who to cancel and unmatched bet in play because he accidentally layed 300/1 instead of 30/1. This thread was legendary, and it went on for hours and days. People tried to explain to him how to cancel it but he still wouldnt understand..... eventually everyone had enough and just started taking the p1ss out of him.... so like any embarassed forumite he cried to betfair who then had the thread removed.

someone actually told me that betfair HQ actually laughed soo much at the thread when they removed it, they printed it out and stuck copies all over the office to cheer people up when they are having a bad day

And for those who prefer sensible answers to conspiracy theories, how about this one?

The 'back' prices RS1 sees immediately after a suspension are other punters' unmatched 'keep' lay bets.

The 'lay' prices he sees at the same time are the implied lay prices generated by the cross-matcher (since laying Man U is like backing Chelsea and the Draw in the right proportions, etc).

Reasonable?

Nice try longbridge, but that's not possible either...

ill let you know win it happen saturday ...

and for those who don't know THE SPECIAL ONE

He tried to claim he had more money than inner city sumo .. inner city posted 330k .
The Special one chickened out like a little bi tch and claimed he'd catch up ... but didn't show his bank
he also thinks he has a range rover and a  ferrari fund ...has 9 user names that he uses to gang up on people

only game he good at is lying and getting a high post count

23000  posts since march and god knows how many on other usernames
racking up 5 posts an hour 24 hours a day ... when does this guy go out ?!

he lost the plot

Ile start to go out when i RETIRE from BETFAIR....... one more year please.

u aint never going out you'll always be a sad deluded guy

check out the amount of threads he has on football betting

he's like agent smith taking over the matrix

the sad thing is a lot of good people left because of him

'the sad thing is alot of good people left because of him' ......

so basically, you come on the gambling forums to make friends? Is that what you are trying to say

its sad times when people are scared to come on an internet forum because of what other people post..... very sad.... extremeley sad......

i think he's seriously disabled  ... it would answer  a lot of questions ....

what else reason could there be of not ever leaving your house an just posting

@Eddie

Why not?  What have I missed?  Always happy to learn.

Nov 16, 2011 -- 7:57AM, Rs1 wrote:

i think he's seriously disabled  ... it would answer  a lot of questions .... what else reason could there be of not ever leaving your house an just posting

i would suggest it is trying to crack betfair.... but to be honest i seem to be losing more money then im making everyday!

he's told he was muslim .... which could explain something ...


2001 uk Census and office of national statistics

'Muslims had the highest rate of unemployment  3 times higher than christian counterparts'

THE INTERESTING ONE

'Muslim Men and women had the highest rates of disability 24 percent men and 21 percent of women '

almost 31 percent had no qualifications  highest of any group

In order to have a lower than kickoff price crossmatching back bet derived from other lay bets there would have to be keep lay bets with higher than kickoff prices on the other two outcomes, and that is not possible as they would have been matched pre kickoff.

Here is another intresting fact.... RS1 has told us he is a SIKH. As they are minority in the world stats for 'Sikhs' will not have any validity as the sample for 'Sikhs' to any other religion would show inconsistency due to Muslims outnumbering 'Sikhs' by about 100 times or more. 25 Million Sikhs in the wolrd... 2 Billion Muslims... Says alot really.

yep

it means your an idiot

ps the small amount of sikhs kicked out the all the muslims out of india ... says  a lot

go get educated and get off the forum  an stop posting rubbish al day long

google sikhs and mogul rule !

Nov 16, 2011 -- 8:19AM, Rs1 wrote:

yep it means your an idiot ps the small amount of sikhs kicked out the all the muslims out of india ... says  a lot go get educated and get off the forum  an stop posting rubbish al day long

Intresting... that is why 75% of the 25 million sikhs live in India and Yet the 1.6 Billion Muslims are spread all over the world....

Nov 16, 2011 -- 8:22AM, Rs1 wrote:

google sikhs and mogul rule !

Google Sikhism and Islam. 25 Million Sikhs, 1.6 Billion Muslims. Case Closed! Next Please............

u seem to think that having more numbers mean something ...

sikhsim is a new  religion  ...

there are 0.5 billion more christians than muslims as they were around 500 years before muslims .. so what does the mean

ps religion is dieing a slow and sure death

watch some richard dawkins on youtube ... educate yourself

or great christoher hitchens


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQPsLMygz1s

Nov 16, 2011 -- 8:28AM, Rs1 wrote:

u seem to think that having more numbers mean something ... sikhsim is a new  religion  ... there are 0.5 billion more christians than muslims as they were around 500 years before muslims .. so what does the mean ps religion is dieing a slow and sure death

Erm yes Numbers do mean something. There a reason why Christianity and Islam dominate the world in terms of population. its because the 'core' values and beliefs are shared and agreed on. That is also the reason for why Sikhism only manage 25 million in the world.

P.S - here is another fact. Islam is the second-largest and one of the fastest-growing religions in the world.[15][16] (Source Wikepedia)

As my Good Friend Jay-Z once said...... Numbers Dont Lie!

the only reason christianity isn't growing as much is that the western world is getting educated and learning

its starting to realise god is made up

have a little google and you'll see the link between poor and uneducated believing more in religion

of course theres 31percent muslims with NO qualifications in this country .. thats sad  course islam will grow

http://haecceities.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/wealth.jpg

realise before you speak why its growing ... its because your most likely poor and uneducated

we have just established that Islam is one of the fastest growing religions in the world and Christianity has the highest population in the world. Both Religions fundamental belief is God. This maybe harsh but the truth is no-one really pays much attention to the minority religions and beliefs. Its the majority that count and the Majority are Christians and Muslims. Sorry Pal, stop trying to convert the sane people to athesists

your actually insane ... maybe that graph was a bit hard for you to comprehend

sorry about that... i take it as you don't go out much your not really an academic !


there was  a research paper done on scientists and astronomers etc  who were atheists ...

over 75 percent were thought to be atheist and a few percent didn't know

that tells a story ......

i got some great articles but I'm worried that you won't be able to comprehend them unfortunately


maybe u should stick to the kiddies version of the world its  a lot  easier for you

intresting...... irelevant story. Ile go and get a sample of Religous Christians and Muslims.... do a survey and im pretty sure 100% of them would say God exists. Once again, your arguement is flawed. I honestly thought you had a brain. Surveys and samples are flawed. Look at the real numbers... they numbers that dont lie.

The real numbers show and proove that Chrstinanity and Islam domiante the world in terms of population and that they have no intention of slowing down and that all other beliefs and religions are so far behind it will never overtake. The growth rate is too high........ END OF STORY! its not opinions.... its FACTS!

why is it so high is the question ... your asking the wrong questions

i think you there is something seriously wrong with you

read your kiddies guide to world ... you'll feel better .. get some rest

why is it so high??? silly question which makes no sense for what you are trying to argue. I should have asked you that question. use that pea brain of yours. Anyway, DEBATE ENDED! Once again. RS1 taken to the cleaners. Cant argue with facts.......

Can you 2 children please move to the politics forum...

no need, conversation is over. nothing left to say

RS1 is in the bathroom rolling around in tears. He has finally come to the realisation that his family has lied to him all these years...........

i actually can't be bothered anymore so dim witted as you ...

how can someone be so thick on so many  levels .... ffs

Good Lad, take defeat in a humble manner. At least this conversation has taught you something.

its taught me that your an A class idiot and reinforces the fact your disabled and house bound ...

BRAINWASHED COMES TO MIND

have you got something against disabled people?

p.s. - what on earth is 'a class' mean? Is this you trying to act smart but actually being dumb with words that make no sense?

did you understand that graph i showed you below ..

could you understand it ? are u educated ?

nice change of subject......its called 'deflection tactics' FYI - im not educated now please answer my previous two questions

Seems that more than one village has misplaced its idiot today - they are out in force.

Is the football forum not working or summit?

I'm coming down to a fools level and betting him with his experience after hearing he's bull for so long!

I have pressed the button for a Nurse!

Zipper won't be happy - but i feel that the requirement here is greater than his.

Nov 16, 2011 -- 10:17AM, Rs1 wrote:

i got nothing against disabled people ... i think you may be mentally challenged though you seem to bang on about numbers ... why are muslims more disabled than anyone else ?

i would say its quite simple. Because there are 100x more Muslims then Sikhs. of course the number of disabled peeople would be more for Muslims then Sikhs, because of the higher sample Its simple maths. However, if we want to play that game, then i suppose by that logic answer me....... why are there much wealther Muslims then Sikhs? Educated Muslims then Sikhs? More skillful professionals then Sikhs? etc etc............. The list goes on and on! As you said.... its a numbers game

its as  a percentage you god damn tool !

Apparently the nurse is busy - zipper has fainted after backing 423 consecutive "certs" that all got beat (again) -  but they are gonna try to get DO WAH DIDDY to come along and sort this out.

Its also the sample size thicko. 25 Million Sikhs vs 1.6 Billion Muslims...... !  You must be fishing...... no-one can be that stupid..... but then again this is betfair

im afraid i will have to report you for that comment. Should not discriminate against disabled people.

ne study of 10,000 children, called Born In Bradford, has revealed that a disturbing proportion of those of Pakistani heritage have serious genetic illnesses. They are 13 times more likely than the general population to be born with birth defects. The majority of them marry first cousins, as their parents did, and that doubles the risk.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2001821/Why-need-action-end-traged...

report yourself for being so dumb

I kissed one of my cousins once and you've now got me concerned that it might have been a really idiotic thing to do.
But she wasn't Pakistani, so maybe I'll be OK ?
Oh I forget that she was American, so maybe not ?

I kissed a girl and I liked it, the taste of her cherry chapstick
I kissed a girl just to try it, I hope her cousin don't mind it

Was Rs the forum regular who recently had to be told how to get the trading graphs up ?

So ?
Does that make him an idiot across the board ?

How about yes. You obviously want a stereotypical FAFH pointless argument, so lets go with yes.

Not pointless to anyone who might be the butt of your ridicule.
We can't all be perfect JC.
( nice initials btw).

Wasn't ridicule as such, just a question that might be vaguely pertinent to the technical argument above before it went completely silly, off topic, and arguing and bickering for arguing and bickerings sake (normally the point TSO blunders into a thread).

And yes they are nice initials. I've shaved my beard off for Movember though.

Pax (or whatever that is in Aramaic, been a while).

In keeping with the religious theme, I'm now praying that the footy forum isn't moving over to General Betting, or I'll be gone :)

"Both Religions fundamental belief is God. "

How anyone with half a brain can even contemplate the concept of a God is beyond me. But in reality religion has nothing to do with a real thing we call God anyway. Its about control and manipulation of the great unwashed. Scare the sh1t out of people by inventing an unseen entity that will do them harm if they dont follow the rules and you have a recipe for control.

Most organised religions are disgusting regimes which are cloaked in a veneer of sanctity.

This conversation is developing into an infantile slanging match and is not necessary. It doesn't help that it has not been explained to you up to now but RS1 it is very wrong to make such wild accusations at the best of times, but making it using Betfair's own facilities is very dangerous and could lead to a ban. You are wrong and here is the very simple answer as to why.

When you see a back of 1.24 after a game suspends this is from a layer who has kept his lay in the market and it appears as money available to back. I trade football matches all the time and I have not seen any circumstance where I have ever had to question the market process.

http://mysportstradingjourney.blogspot.com/

HA, I usually don't trade football matches so I can't say if he is right or wrong, but he has a point if there as soon as a market reopen are prices on both sides which both are lower than kickoff price. This is in theory impossible.

Andy, in your example he is not referring to the keep bet (lay) which has been left in at 1.24 (appearing the blue box) once the market reopens, but the 50k new bet waiting in the at 1.25 in the purple box which appears to get in before everyone else.

As myself and several others have pointed out, this will be down to him having a slower inteface to the server.

RS1 is perfectly right. I had same issue and BF still not answer to me for over 6 months. My point then was the same but instead of match odds market for the correct score markets.
Whan the result is changed (a goal is scored) on the impossible selection appeard ammount at odd of 1000. I mean when the result have been 0:0 and TEAM A scores a goal - after the goal on SELECTION 0:0 for correct score are appearing bets without delay time. They told to me that this is a keep- bet - are they nuts lay at 1000 odd at possible income with keep bet!! it will be matched immediatley at best availiable price. So after that they try to explain that is because of refreshing the site - i am seeing it to late. I did explain that i am using an API application. So the insist that is because of refresh rates of the application. I set them 2 days just to observe - to the very minimum - 0.01 second refresh rate.
It was the same - suspension was lifted and bets were there (sometimes). So i had to discuss this with the API vendor - and still - yes they told me that it not suppose to be in that way. BF developers did not answer to thier emails if there is something wrong with providing data with the API. And that was all - no hear from BF. For now on a small games most of them this is not happening i do not have any idea what is on biggest games for inplay.

modk, thanks I obviously misunderstood but I agree entirely with your conclusion.

Eddie & Kara, I understand what you are saying but I still stand by what I have seen with my own eyes which gives me complete confidence on the market process.

The next big game is Norwich v Arsenal on Saturday so I will make particular observations and put in some keep bet trades and then report back. Hopefully is won't be 0-0.

This is more worrying....

On Tuesday I was watching the 2.00 at Folkestone (a 3 runner beginners chase) on my television. The runners were nowhere near a fence when suddenly the 1/7 fav went from long odds on to 1000 in one go. Loads was matched at all prices from about 1.20 through to 1000. Then suddenly about 8 seconds later when they got to the next fence - it fell. Somebody is clearly beating the clock here.

I was expecting a searching article by one of the fine investigative journalists in the trade paper the next day - but no mention. Maybe they or ATR or BF are still looking into it.

I suspect its the same case for you Karakondjur1.

By the time you see the SUSPENDED dissapear and the market reopen, the market actually reopened several seconds ago and the 1st update you receive from the server is a market with lays of 1000 on all the dead correct scores.

If we were to pick a game and we watch the market after a goal/suspension, im sure I will see a different set of events to you.

Welcome to betfair methane

Been here 11 years modk - nothing has changed (for the better). At least when they were allowed to remount the villains would have experienced the occasional adrenalin rush!

Methane Magnet is a LOSER...NAP

ah Jimmy - the forums answer to Albert Einstein but with a superior knowledge of emoticons.

Seething too

@Methane Magnet - i am not talking about beating the clock situation

@modk - i know by default (a lot experience) that i am not the always with the fastest bets placed. So lets assume that this 1st price on dead correct scores. How does appeard so fast. By fast i mean
1. With the re-opening of the market
2. Sometimes is not with the reopening immediatley - maybe with less than a second delay. How can you explain that really? I do not have a propper explanation - i have tried everything - one more time - with fastest refresh rate on API aplication - i suppose to se when the market is re-open almost a second after that. On top of that - i am openning the intereface and click constantly with the mouse to place a bet - yes i got message that market is suspended - but i in that way i can see exactly when the suspension is lifted.
So any ideas why this bets like - lay @ 1000 at imposible outcomes.

Karakonjur - I know, I was being flippant but it is relevant.

At least in the Correct Score market the 0:0 doesn't trade at 1000 just before the market suspends for the goal.

Jimmy -

I suppose there's something more dark about bf own team , at least on tennis. For example, they use raw feeds: they cancel the bet accordling to fastest pics, but place in 4 sec as everybody can see on market . I'm reffering to 22222k team. Soon i'll do a video about that and place on youtube so everybody can see those strange things appening ...

Personally,knowing what I know about this company,I would not be surprised if RS1 is right in his assumptions,even though he does come across as somewhat mentally fragile.