i want to spend 8hrs a day on here and make £30 a day for the next 5 months

deposit 30k.  Lay 30 1000/1 shots a day

or work 8 hours in asda and make more

Get a job at mcdonalds and turn on your laptop in the frying room

paulme, part of yr problem stems from thinking you want to win the same amount per day, rather than thinking in terms of bank growth.

Begin with the number you want to end up w/, then see how much you need to grow yr bank per day to get there.

It isn't a case of not knowing what to do.

Pretty much everyone ought to know what to do. Doing it is another matter. Plan what you want to achieve & set about working towards it. With the emphasis on work. If you must read contributions on the football forum, the only person who speaks openly about his strategy who you should pay attention to is Kenilworth. Swerve the forum regulars.

And I think the one thing that you need above all other things is self belief. If you haven't got that then you've got nothing, no matter the strategy you employ.

Self belief indeed very important.

In my view, the right state of being is what it really comes down to. So much of this is about psychological self-management.

Ability to take a loss, ability to run your profits long, ability to know when to stop when your in danger of self-destruction, ability to be honest with oneself, ability to reflect and learn from mistakes and see them as blessings in disdguise and so on.

In short, you need to know yourself, your strengths and limitations, before you ever need to know the markets, if you want the markets to reward your efforts in the first place.

Hello there Paulme/Paulol

Ok here is my advice for what it's worth. Pick a sport, just 1 sport and stick to it. Don't do any betting on any other sport don't even worry about prices for other sports, just the sport you've chosen. Oh and here's the bad news, don't chose horse racing, chose any sport but this one preferably the one you have most interest in.

Next think what you want to specialise in within that sport. Do you want to trade or bet? Do you want to specialise pre-match or in-play? Which type of market do you want to specialise in within that sport, e.g. for football do you want to do match odds, correct score or over/unders.

Once you have decided this stick with this and learn as much as you can from it. Watch how prices move and record data yourself, every day, as much as you can. Start off doing that for say a month and then go from there.

However you chose to proceed you will have to put in the effort though.

Good luck

thanks guys. some interesting suggestions here.

apart from freddie. natch

Dave and Funky, you're wasting your time. It isn't self belief that Paulme needs. It's a work ethic. Several of us have spent quite a bit of time over the last few days trying to give him advice and suggesting things he might want to explore further. (Even if my information isn't of much use, others have suggested interesting strategies that he ought, at least, to be experimenting with.)

His knowledge of betting is as basic as it gets (even though he says he's been doing this for eight months!), and there're at least several dozen things he could right now be looking into rather than continually posting these silly threads.   

He thinks that because £30 a day seems a fairly small amount of money, it should be fairly easy to make that sum consistently over a long period. He suspects that you'd need a much higher skill level in order to make £300 or £3,000 consistently - which rather proves how little he understands about markets!

The guy's an idiot. If he goes away and spends his time focusing on what makes the price move (good advice from you U.A.), or on what determines who will win a contest, rather than posting more of these threads or constantly niggling at Undern on his £100K thread, then he may get somewhere. He won't, however, because that would require hard work and gumption on his part, when he just wants to be spoonfed an easy route to modest money. 

I've blocked him (I can tell what he's saying from the thread title and the responses he's getting). For your own sanity, I recommend the rest of you do likewise!

haha Lord Bobbin you're an intelligent cretin you really are. blocks me but cant stop stalking my threads. haha pathetic!

i'm on this forum in peace and love and honesty. ignore this fool

Paul I've been telling you to get up off your kness and stop begging for well over a year.  It is without dignity. It is unmanly.
I would rather lose money than demonstrate such a lack of personal authority and command over my own destiny.
but you have no idea what i'm on about - you've heard this all before but still you beg for help. 
Yet you've not helped yourself.

you have munter. i tried but lost more money in july than ever before. how's your gambling?

I am a rare poster and long time lurker in these forums. You have been around here for quite some time and yet you still show little/no understanding of gambling or even the betfair concept (for example constantly asking undern to explain how much he has won/lost/risked on a bet when it is clearly shown in his thread).

I suggest if you want to make 30 a day you just go out and get a job, you will make more money that way. Learn how the exchange works and get an understanding of the maths that goes behind being successful here. Make an effort to understand how the odds move and why they do. Read up on probability theory: http://www.probabilitytheory.info/
Peter Webb's site above is a good place to start in understanding the relationship between how the odds given represent the % chance of something occurring. This should then allow you to work out what is good/bad value. Why not try compiling your own odds on something like premiership soccer where there is plenty of information available.

As others have said stick to one area of sports for now and get a good understanding, record everything you do so that you can go back and analyze the data from your past results and see what is / is not working or where a strategy can be refined. Maybe try looking at strategies based upon the goals markets for example over 1.5 goals or under 4.5 goals. There is plenty of data available on soccer matches for free online.

The last part is bank management. Come up with a simple strategy to start with and stick with it. No more of these ridiculous 800/1000 bets you make (and lose) take your bank and look at putting down between 1-5% of your bank on each individual event you are betting on - i feel you gamble more for the excitement of the big wins rather than treating making money here as a business.

I personally bet either 1% / 3% / 5% of my bank on any one event i am involved in. I don't trade i only back events pre kick off. I only bet on the EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Ligue 1 and Serie A and turnover 75% of my bets between October and March. I mainly play match odds and over/under 1.5 / 2.5 and 3.5 goals. I price up every game in each of those leagues and from usually 40-50 games each week i will only have between 3-8 bets because i have spent years refining and learning what works and where my edge lies.

I hope this helps you (and if i were you, stay away from horse racing).

Paulme,

How much time have you actually spent researching an angle to come up with a guide to %.

I could name 10 angles right now that will make you money, I;ve researched them and I know that they will provide consistent returns week in week out. And none of these involve horse racing.

They cover golf, soccer, cricket rugby league.

I am not going to divulge any of them as I it has taken me weeks and weeks to go through past results to get the answers I nned to know.

how many hours research have you done on a specific bet type on an event??

FFS look at cricket, India are about as fkd as you can get when they are not playing at home Same with pakistan, get them on a pitch with a bit of juice in it and they'll luckey to score 250, their bowlers would be luckey to get me out, they could not win a raffle if they held all the tickets.

So why not lay the draw in every match that India is playing in when not on the sub continent, IE in Australia, England or Sth Africa?? even the current match the draw is $1.50 with a bit of rain on the last day, the first day was a washout but they'll make up time over the next 3-4 days.

There are so many sports with huge opportunnities to win on weather you trade or lay. So many.

What about golf??? how many players on the PGA tour win back to back??? fka all, how many times does the favourite in the golf win the event?? fk all.

Go do some research and take your begging bowl home, its fkn embarrassing.

£30 per day would equal £10,950 per year. I would guess that at least 90% of the population would be completely unable to make that kind of money no matter how hard they tried (without taking stupid risks) or how much time they spent on research or how much time they spent begging for help on forums. And out of the ones that could if they really put their mind to it most probably are well educated and have jobs that pay much more than that. Should anyone have a simple strategy that any thicko could use to make £10,000 per year they're not going to tell you about it, as it would stop working if it became public knowledge.

I reckon your best bet is greyhound racing as unlike the horse racing all the runners rune over the same distance (4 bend races only) and track each time so there are less variables to deal with, There is a company that will sell you access to databases for greyhound races and use the filters to observe the effect of age, trap , sex, times etc to come up with winning trends in the races,I personally use my own databases and filters , got over a hundred filters, and I have looked at there databases and they are quite good, please take into account each track is different and what works at one track may make a loss at another, like dont back running on dogs at crayford which is the smallest circumference track and shortest distance (380 meters)and is best for quick starting early paced types, but the best track to lay runners at as its so difficult, likewise pay more attention to running on dogs at big tracks like hove, 515 meters distance and big track!

With a bit of work using filtered databases you will find a way to make a lot more than £30 a day
I can assure you of that and good luck!

Dog racing is the most bent of all sporting events!

As you say, they run over 4 bends and that occurs in no other sport of which I know of!

I cant find any proof of bent races, in fact bags tracks are the best run dog tracks in the world,
only Australia has better better tracks and betfair show these races also, perhaps your confusing
the difficulty in running flat out at 36mph plus  around a small oval track when the dogs are graded
to within a tenth of a second and the effect this has on outcomes of races at the lolly stick as
meaning there bent in your confusion, if they ran in a straight line the races would all be boring and
all favourites would be odds on, it was tried like that in the early days and considered unsuitable
for exciting races.

BF Fanatic, have you ever actually bet on the dogs?    In another thread today you say that you had still to get to the end of your greyhound project.  And you also seemed to be saying that you'd never bet on BetFair.  So, is your, erm, knowledge of dogs based on anything concrete, or just the vague idea that you might be able to make money on it some day - provided you ever complete the research!

A 30 second dog race is a dramatic and beautiful event whether its a derby final or an a12 race at a bags track, from the moment the hare appears first to trap 6 vision, thats why 6 is the best for sighting the lure first, 3 and 4 are mid dogs and when the lid rises arc towards the hare line even when flying out of there box, watch some races in slow motion and you can see many times 3 crossing over trap 4 and chopping it off in a fraction of a second, thats why 4 is the coffin, its an amazing and exciting sport and perhaps you need to study it must closer to see what is really going on

Dog races might well be incredibly stunningly beautiful, but, more crucially, do you ever bet on them?????

The betfair market is the best for dog racing by far, the bags in bookmakers is bent because the prices are so poor and they wait for punters to make a plunge before making the market mature!

I think that's a sensitive issue LordBobbin

4 bends means dog racing is bent!

I hope that clarifies the matter!

PS I have seen it with my own eyes.

Hmmmm yes Mr Anderson.  I think it's safe to say he's trying to dodge the question...

Yes I do, I haven't been in a bookmakers since april as I had 100 quid on an 8/1 shot, it won but it drifted form 4/1 , they made me wait a week, made loads of excuses and even though they acknowleged I instructed them it was for the dog race, they used there rule book and there was a horse race at the same time so they just gave me my money back, corals are using the automated till systems to fleece winners as any instructions you give them or they ask for, will not be honored, void bets are accepted , voided but the punter is never told unless he requests or tries to get paid. I warned corals that
I dis a lot of business with them but they let me down so I will never use them again, in fact I don't use high street bookmakers anymore, check the web, people have been banned for winning £1000 for life.

I made the mistake of going in the same bookmaker and winning 5 times in a row, always on the phone when I win and delaying my payments with excuses, a bunch of ace holes the coral orginisation

Ive even been in the back of a van with greyhounds and watched them race as a youngster, those tracks aren't there anymore, the land in inner cities is being sold off by greedy people, losing our heritage, look at walthamstow at the moment,  but yes its a wonderful sport still

I would love betfair to buy a dog track, the other betting site own some,lads, hills etc

Okay, so you haven't used the bookies for four months. (I suspect most of us are familiar with the concept of being banned from the bookies - I'm on the black list at Paddypower and Sportingbet, and on the restricted list at a couple of others.)

But presumably, since walking away from the bookies four months ago, you've since been placing lots of decent money at Betfair, right?  Because you were making good money before, so why wouldn't you be simply putting on your bets at Betfair instead?

If its bent then go and watch TAYLORS SKY on youtube this year winning the wi ll iam hills derby, smashing the track record 2 times and breaking the trap 1 voodoo, amazing stuff, Charlie Listers won it 6 times now, taylors sky is running at monmore at the moment, watch it win the competition, the current 4 bend king in the uk!

Oh, and in case anyone thought I was, I wasn't trying to brag when I mentioned being on the blacklist at several bookies. My records at Paddypower and Sportingbet weren't even particularly good, so if they're blacklisting me, then they're pretty much blacklisting anyone who isn't a net loser with them.

Good question and good point, I was not using any systems then and although I won 7 times in total
in 8 visits to bookmakers winning once at lads £400 profit, once an hills £300, and in total over £1000 at corals in 5 visits I cant spend time in bookmakers when I have so much work to do with my
research, its excel based entirely and takes ages to prepare everything, also have a family and its hard doing everything that I want to do, but I will be ready in say a week or 2 so looking forward to see the fruits of my efforts and if I am successful then I don't mind betfair sharing my profits
as long as they keep the exchange buoyant and look after the core sporting markets, thats there job
and I cant complain about there track record on growth and liquidity!

Okay. Good luck for September then.

And if you're successful, in two years time we'll probably see you complaining bitterly when Betfair decide they want 75% of everything you've won!!

If being a highwaymen became legal, you would see many a Dick Turpin racing the highways and byways
wearing many of the bookmakers regulation outfits and colours , ladbrokes larry and william kill bill
would fleece many an innocent traveler carrying money about the highways and high streets!

Ritzy - so you read underns thread quite alot then?

interesting post. will look into that.

i assume you're pro on here then?

the only person i know on here that is a proven winner is hbk and undern really.

money management
analysis/selection methods
your mental/psychological state

You've got plenty of pointers. I'd also suggest stop reading the forum. Choose your sport and do some research of your own. I'm sure I've seen you mention that you are a student or finished your degree or something. You know study & research methods. Just get on with it. You never know what you might find.

haha i love it how people ive never seen on here have read all my posts from way back!!

ta dave you're probably right mate

You can rest assured I haven't read all of your posts from way back Paul, but I do remember what I have read.

I find myself visiting the forums less & less as time passes. There are much more constructive ways to be spending your time between bets.

definitely. like the pub or meeting women?

only you can answer that for yourself. good luck.

i agree with dave , at the start i was looking at the forum a lot , now i just do my own thing. i do look in occasionally alright.

hope the horses going ok for u paul.

its ok aueng. thing is i love the horses as a sport so like betting on the furry beasts. not out tonight mate?

nah man , tomorrow and monday for the football, not doing anything tonight.u?

how much u starting with to make £30.. also think if you did min wages for 8 hours, u will make £45 or so... is it worth it?

U.A.     18 Aug 11 21:44 
Hello there Paulme/Paulol

Ok here is my advice for what it's worth. Pick a sport, just 1 sport and stick to it. Don't do any betting on any other sport don't even worry about prices for other sports, just the sport you've chosen. Oh and here's the bad news, don't chose horse racing, chose any sport but this one preferably the one you have most interest in.

Next think what you want to specialise in within that sport. Do you want to trade or bet? Do you want to specialise pre-match or in-play? Which type of market do you want to specialise in within that sport, e.g. for football do you want to do match odds, correct score or over/unders.

Once you have decided this stick with this and learn as much as you can from it. Watch how prices move and record data yourself, every day, as much as you can. Start off doing that for say a month and then go from there.

However you chose to proceed you will have to put in the effort though.

Good luck


Shocked! Gud un.

it's amazing the way people think, understand that and you can pick money up anywhere.

btw i know how to identify those 'people'


they like to use "go from there" when explaining how to win money here

Is that right fixed? Well that's pretty much what I said, so come on then billy big bananas. Explain to me now how you'll take money from me as you have such an excellent psychological profile.

And just for the record. I could tell him in ten minutes how to consistently make money on pretty much every visit.

Based on my market observations only one other person is doing the same as myself right now.

I'm besides myself waiting to know how you plan to take my money.

No Paulme, i'm not pro. I have a good job that gives me a very comfortable lifestyle. I gamble for fun but at the same time i don't like losing money. I just like to know i can beat the market. I have won approx 35k over the last 8 years from gambling (around 17k of it here) and it pays for a few extra things.

surely u earn more in your job paul? 30 a day 210 a week. work and bet on the prem at weekends

Hello there Flatliner

Not sure what your original response to my message was really meant to say, it was only 3 words and i only recognised 1 of them.

Hello there Fixed

I'm not sure how you wanted me to continue. My message was specifically meant from Paulol and was not a general message on how anyone can make money. There are many different ways people can make money (pretty much most of them I don't know). Some people will be good at some and not so good at others. Given that i do not know a great deal about Paulol it's difficult to tell him which way to go, more about how to begin.

If you wanted i could have tried to continue by listing how to proceed with all the numerous possibilities, but quite frankly i couldn't be bothered to at this stage and many of them i don't know as well. Perhaps maybe you would like to offer up something constructive to the original poster and continue where i finished. Or maybe even post up constructive views on why you think i am wrong and how you believe he should proceed and we can go from there....

How about starting with LTD? ? ? Does anyone know of any little tweaks on this old fav that they would care to share ? ? ?

could easily make that arbing and in considerably less time than 8 hrs 

really depends if your one of these people who likes to bet like a man though [smiley:crazy]

Is there nobody willing to share any ideas about the LTD system? Perhaps there could be something done pre match ? Paulme can you not think of anything to add to this old favourite?

it just doesn't work

Tober , do you mean LTD or the sharing of ideas ? ? /

ltd? sorry im unsure , lay the draw is it???

Correct aueng lay the draw, i agree it wont work in its basic form but what im asking is does anyone have any thoughts of how it could work or any other ideas? ? ?

No LTD doesn't work for obvious reasons .

Though there was that Slicer 'System' that was a variation of it and was supposedly a holy grail foolproof guranteed winning system.

Aah tober i see you dont have a pure heart. . .What about if you lay the draw but have no liability on 0-0, 1-1, would that help ? ? ?Now ive shown a little bit of mine wont someone show me a little of theirs? ? ?

Sorry tober i mean what if 0-0, 1-1 were already to some extent green. . .

For no cost. . .

Could it work then? ?

i have never done it anyway. im sure people can tell u

Any one whos been on here for a while can tell me, im just waiting to see if anybody offers anything back. . .

Last season in the EPL there were 27 2-2 draws and 6 3-3 draws. If you'd backed the 2-2 and 3-3 for every game in the EPL last season you would have made a profit.

An interesting stat ua, but if you were plus green on 0-0 and 1-1 at kick off and had layed the draw would this be "the holy grail"? Teams evenly ish priced (1-1 not even needed)no red on c/s market, is this achivable? ? ?

Why not spend 6 hours a day doing research and 2 hours on here placing and trading your positions?

In my opinion its all about the pre match trading, once you go plus green on 0-0 its money in the bank. . . Im just putting forward one of my strats(without setting it out in bullet point form) hopeing that in return someone might hint at what they are doing. . .

betting in other markets reduces or wipes out green on the lay

you can't guarantee to be ahead from pre match trades on any market

If I understand properly everybody on here except paulme, is insisting they are in profit. Say what you like about him at least he is honest! Which is almost certainly not true for many of the other contributors on this thread.

+1

on what shapeshifter wrote.


I see gambling like a maths or science test when I was at school.

All year you'd learn bit and peices about a subject, then come exam time you'd study what you've learnt and been taught.

Of course many kids would not study muck around in class and carry on, then there were those who did pay attention and study.

Come exam time, those who payed attention and studied got good grades, those who clowned around did poorly.


Now can anyone see the correlation between school and betting. This forum is a bit like my school classroom, you have  afew people here who are teachers and then you have the students, some are savvy and some show their ignorance and lack of creative thinking and discipline. Paulme reminds me of the kid who wants others to do his homework for him, but come exam time, well look at the results.

Most of the kids I went to school with who clowned around are stone motherless broke, those who studied did quite well.

i sometimes spend 8 hours a day here and win nothing lol............ good luck ok

UA, do you have stats on 2-2 and 3-3 draws going back over several seasons?   Just because something was so last season, it doesn't mean it'll be a profitable angle generally. I suppose you'd also need to trawl back through the Betfair data to see at what price you could have got matched. Just what would have been the margin of profit?

In 2009-10 season it was 2-2 21 games and 3-3 4 games and 2008-2009 it was 2-2 18 games and 3-3 1 game.

Sorry my point to posting that information was that if you are laying the draw and backing the 1-1 and 0-0 it's not going to be a sucessful strategy doing it for every game if backing 2-2 and 3-3 is profitable.

Fact is you can go for a few seasons doing something that seems profitable and then next season it completely changes. I'm not suggesting that just backing 2-2 and 3-3 is the way to go. Apologies if it sounded like I did.

Just read through this topic......why would you want to spend 8 hours a day on this 7 days a week for £210 per week? It would send you potty! I spend around 4-5 hours per day 5 days per week and that sometimes drives you insane!

just got a target freddie.

no moves - thanks mate yeah just trying to be honest.

oh and did Slicer ever reveal his 'holy grail'?

don't believe the hype Paul but Google "slicers holy grail" and you'll see many were intrigued by it/fell for it

and was/is a load of tosh?

*it

probably have a big mac meal to celebrate with my new workmates

oh do you mean when i lay or back a winner?

ah done that a few times. so nothing new. probably happen today.