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By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 18 Jan 11 19:34
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE WAS AN OUTAGE ON THE BETTING EXCHANGE AND YOU COULDNT LAY OFF
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 18 Jan 11 19:35
WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU CANT PAY YOUR MORGAGE ,BECAUSE FRANK LAMPARD MISSED 4 PENALTYS IN ONE GAME,YOU SAID WHEN YOU CAME IN MY OFFICE YOU ALLWAYS WON
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 18 Jan 11 19:36
HES A GAMBLER THATS THE RISK
By:
Coachbuster
When: 18 Jan 11 19:38
Do wah , i don't think the house itself will lose on the 2.30 at Kempton ,even if the gambler does [;)]
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 18 Jan 11 19:41
TO ANY PERSON WHO HAS A STEADY JOB ,THEY WILL PROBERBLY GET THE MORGAGE,BUT PEOPLE WHO LEND MONEY DONT TRUST GAMBLERS ,WITH WHAT EVER THEY SAY THEVE GOT AND PROMISES
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 18 Jan 11 19:44
THE LADS EVEN SAID ON HERE SANTENDER WOULDNT LEND HIM IT,EVEN IF HE PUT DOWN 90 % DEPOSIT,
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 18 Jan 11 19:50
THERES THOUSANDS AT GAMBLERS ANNONOMOUSE WHO HAVE MADE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS  OF POUNDS WORKING AND LOST IT ALL GAMBLING ,AND CANT PAY THEIR MORGAGES

THERES NOT ONE WHOS THERE ,BECAUSE HES WON THOUSANDS AND THE BANK WONT LEND HIM MONEY TO BUY A NEW HOUSE

AND FORGET THE GAMBLERS ANNONOMOUSE ,THERES THOUSANDS WHO THE BANKS KNOW WHO HAVE LOST THEIR MONEY GAMBLING ,BUT HARDLEY ANY WHO TELL THE BANK THEVE GOT THEIR FORTUNE FROM GAMBLING,AND THE BANK MANAGER STILL DOESNT BELIEVE THEM
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 18 Jan 11 21:02
Overkill Do wah ?
I take it you've not had much luck with your bank manager.
Sorry to hear that.
Banks have also lost millions to people who have done it all on bad investments in commodity and share markets.
So what.
Ther's no hard and fast rule.
Certain professions require a higher level of proof to convince the banks to lend money to you, and/or for them to ask for higher than normal levels of collateral.
A " good " mortgage broker should be able to navigate all this for you.
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 18 Jan 11 21:04
Btw Do wah, what's your poison ?
Drink or drugs ?
By:
The Investor
When: 18 Jan 11 21:22
Do wa diddy, are you suggesting heynoodles should take his 'gambling problem' related to getting a mortgage to gamblers anonymous? I think he would get some strange looks Laugh

Seriously though, if you get anywhere with this, please post, as I would also be interested.

The real solution would be for Betfair to provide an offset mortgage based on your balance, perhaps through a third party.
By:
Coachbuster
When: 18 Jan 11 21:25
I went to the Bank for similar purposes Investor .

They laughed at me .
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 18 Jan 11 21:45
The Investor
And if your balance fluctuaates like a yo yo ? And worse if it disappears completely ?
Do you suggest they ring fence it in some form or manner ?
Don't think it's really a practical solution do you ?
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 18 Jan 11 21:45
Coach
I hope you laughed back at them for all the good interest income they were going to miss out on.
By:
The Investor
When: 18 Jan 11 22:12
I do think it's practical FAFH (though perhaps not realistic).

There's no ring fencing required. It would work just like an ordinary offset mortgage.

If you have £100k in your bank account you pay interest on your mortgage less £100k. If tomorrow you withdraw £90k, you pay interest on your mortgage less £10k.

If you have £100k in your betfair account you pay interest on your mortgage less £100k. If tomorrow you withdraw or lose £90k, you pay interest on your mortgage less £10k.

The idea is not necessarily that your betting profit pays your mortgage, more that your betfair balance offsets it. No difference with a bank account, which can alse fluctuate (mine does) [;)]
By:
The Investor
When: 18 Jan 11 22:13
alse = also
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 18 Jan 11 22:29
As long as the balance is not seen in any form or manner as providing back up security ( ie initial deposit) for the mtge. in the first place.
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 18 Jan 11 23:54
FINE AS A FROGS HAIR,WHEN YOU DONT LIKE WHAT YOU HEAR THERE ON DRUGS,DRINK OTHERWISE THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEIR TALKING ABOUT

THEY DO TAKE EACH PERSON AND FINANTIAL STATUS INTO CONSIDERATION,.BUT GOING INTO A BANK AND SAYING YOUVE ONLY GOT INCOME FROM GAMBLING AND THEY WILL SHOW YOU THE DOOR

YOUR GOOD MORGAGE BROKER WILL TRY AND HIDE THE TRUE FACTS  AND HE MIGHT GET YOU ONE ,

BUT IF A BANK MANAGER LENDS MONEY FROM GAMBLING INCOME HE WILL GET SACKED IF FOUND OUT
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 18 Jan 11 23:56
P S I GOT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OFF BANKS ,BECAUSE OF MY PROFITS FROM MY WORK ,NOT MY HOBBIES GAMBLING AND DRINKING AND SLEEPING
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 18 Jan 11 23:57
PS FINE AS A FROGS HAIR I WONT TELL UOU TO TAKE A RUN AND JUMP AS IVE GOT MANNERS
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 19 Jan 11 00:07
Appreciate that Do wah.
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 19 Jan 11 00:09
GOOD THEN NO ILL FEELINGS,AND I HOPE HE GETS WHAT HE DESERVES
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 19 Jan 11 00:11
THE ONLY REASON I KNOW EVERYTHING ,IS THAT IVE DONE EVERYTHING WRONG IN MY LIFE AND I KNOW YOU JUST DO THE OPPOSITE
By:
Styles
When: 19 Jan 11 14:45
Who says you have to tell them you're a gambler?
By:
zipper
When: 19 Jan 11 14:53
Styles  you are right bankers  need to know what you do for a living.
never but never   say your a gambler . Tell em you have a proper job you sweep up in a brothel .
By:
Styles
When: 19 Jan 11 15:26
If you credit rating is good enough many lenders don't ask for proof of income on mortgages where the loan is low compared to the value of the house.  I didn't think the sweeper uperer in a brothel is the best choice of made up career although the perks ........!
By:
charlatan
When: 19 Jan 11 18:03
Prices going down anyway. Rent (interest should cover half of the rent for a £200k property if you shop around) until you have the full balance. The main danger of that strategy is if wages start soaring or credit eases rapidly and house prices increase significantly as a result but both seem unlikely.
By:
supernal bawd
When: 19 Jan 11 18:16
I don't know how far you have got with this but I wonder if you could try and purchase the property as a 'buy to let'
Many lenders that specialise in this type of mortgage would base any loan on the expected rental income instead of your own income which would have no relevance to the transaction.

Take a look at the Mortgage Works website for some general reading and rent to loan calculators that may be of interest
By:
The Investor
When: 19 Jan 11 18:24
My prediction: Food prices will (continue to) rise in relation to house prices over the next decade.

A £1m+ Central London property yields around 3% on average when rented out. You can expect to rent a £1.5M flat for £1k a week.

It seems to me one of three things is going on:
1) People are willing to pay whatever they can afford to purchase a home, so prices can rise above 'rational' levels.

2) People are investing primarily for capital gains (greater fool theory) rather than income, or alternatively they bought a property some time ago that has already yielded a phenomenal return, and are unwilling to cash in now.

3) Expensive homes in extremely popular areas take on the characteristics of a status symbol more than a home, meaning the sky is the limit for prices, in the same way that someone might be willing to pay £1,000 for a pair of designer jeans, made from materials costing a tenner (in the case or works of art this is even more extreme).
By:
Coachbuster
When: 19 Jan 11 19:14
All 3 Investor , to some extent
By:
Gingerbomb1
When: 19 Jan 11 19:51
I got a self cert when they were available with Betfair as my sole income.

Since then, even my own bank who sees me pay in a nice juicy amount each month from my Betfair Account for the past 7+ years will not lend me anything.
By:
jimmy69
When: 19 Jan 11 22:24
Why would you want a mortgage if you are bringing in a nice juicy amount each month?
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 19 Jan 11 22:27
Jimmy
Don't spend all you earn please.
Invest just a little perhaps ?
By:
jimmy69
When: 19 Jan 11 22:29
Oh come on live a little...you may get run over by a bus tomorrowLaugh
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 19 Jan 11 22:30
Or even today on your way to the bank to sign the mortgage papers ?
By:
jimmy69
When: 19 Jan 11 22:32
Heaven forbid!
By:
The Investor
When: 19 Jan 11 22:40
Yes, balance is key. Invest for the future, and also enjoy some of the fruits of your labour. A key principle of getting wealthy is to save/invest at least 10% of your income, no matter what you earn. In my own case, I am currently reinvesting 75% of what I earn, as I aim to be wealthy long before I'm of retirement age!


jimmy69
Why would you want a mortgage if you are bringing in a nice juicy amount each month?


One reason is that property can have an extremely low yield (especially if you do not use gearing). I gave the example on another thread that you can rent a £1.5M apartment in central london for £50k per year.

If you have millions sitting in a savings account, it could make sense to buy property outright, but there are probably better places to put your money.

An idea I've been toying with is to invest in property with a high level of gearing (when this becomes possible again), using cash equivalents as a safety net in case of double digit interest rates or other problems.
By:
heynoodles
When: 19 Jan 11 22:50
If youve had a couple/few lucky years on here the last thing you want to do is go back to a real job. So surely getting a property paid for is the right thing to do?

The premium charge was a warning nothing last forever and you never know what is round the corner.

Thanks again to all for advice on this thread.
By:
jimmy69
When: 19 Jan 11 22:57
What is the British obsession with buying houses?
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 19 Jan 11 23:41
Investor
You know how to make God laugh ?
Tell him your plans.
By:
The Investor
When: 19 Jan 11 23:45
By the way, my example above was why you wouldn't want a mortgage (or buy a property outright for that matter)

heynoodles, if you think your winnings are due to luck, cash in while you're up. I'm pretty sure almost everyone that has won a significant amount on here will believe it is due to skill though (even more so if they are in the 'ultra consistent winners' PC bracket). That's just human nature.
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