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Wouldn't use the word conversation in my case.
Btw Lori.
Black.
You gonna say white.
Btw Lori.
Black.
You gonna say white.
Just feel free to not use the best company out there because of your racist views. I think we can all say that's pretty good self-spite
Coming back to the thread. What for I hear some of you say.
Is it fair to say that as bet 365 are apparently one of the very biggest around ( am I correct I'm not sure on this), they must have more happy customers than unhappy ones.
I'm not one of them, but so what.
Is it fair to say that as bet 365 are apparently one of the very biggest around ( am I correct I'm not sure on this), they must have more happy customers than unhappy ones.
I'm not one of them, but so what.
Lori
I do not just fckin believe your last post.
Where on earth did that come from for God's sake.?
Really I have to know the true and sincere answer to that.
Because if that's where you think I'm coming from on this, I need to know honestly.
I do not just fckin believe your last post.
Where on earth did that come from for God's sake.?
Really I have to know the true and sincere answer to that.
Because if that's where you think I'm coming from on this, I need to know honestly.
You seem to believe that "these carribean outfits" aren't as good as UK ones, at least that's implied.
Pinny is the best bookmaker in the world (actually betfair is probably better if you class them as a bookmaker technically), where they are based is nothing to do with their ability to run a book efficiently, take large bets and pay out. You seem to think it is.
In fairness if you don't know who they are, the chances are you shouldn't be betting.
Pinny is the best bookmaker in the world (actually betfair is probably better if you class them as a bookmaker technically), where they are based is nothing to do with their ability to run a book efficiently, take large bets and pay out. You seem to think it is.
In fairness if you don't know who they are, the chances are you shouldn't be betting.
You're not going to come back with some trite answer that it was in response to my black/white argument jibe, are you?
Because that won't wash.
And you know it.
Because that won't wash.
And you know it.
Not at all, I think you've shown what you really are in this thread.
It simply defies belief that you'll constantly tell people they're wrong when they know what they're doing and you haven't got any kind of clue. You'll no doubt come back with some sort of veiled threat about how your 100k/year hitman/butler will come and wipe my nose in a pile of dog turds, but at the end of the day, he probably doesn't really care much for you either.
I'm interested in pinnacle but i don't like the idea of not being able to phone through my bets or phone a customer service team if i have a query.
Fair enough Avo. everyone has their own needs and I'm not their head pimp or spammer to disagree :)
I would have hoped you might have had the decency to aplogize.
But not from a cowardly poster like you.
So now I'm a racist as well as a charlatan, a thief, a fraud etc etc.
I suppose we will eventually get to the rapist, the paedophile, the mudererer, the embezzler and so on.
Fckin coward.
And that is the ultimate insult in my book.
But not from a cowardly poster like you.
So now I'm a racist as well as a charlatan, a thief, a fraud etc etc.
I suppose we will eventually get to the rapist, the paedophile, the mudererer, the embezzler and so on.
Fckin coward.
And that is the ultimate insult in my book.
Lori have u had good experience with pinnacle then? If i ever get into premium charge territory i might use pinnacle.
Btw anybody got some real useful, non bs answers on Pinnacle.
Not just their web site PR.
I am interested to learn more, despite the distasteful altercation that has just happened.
Not just their web site PR.
I am interested to learn more, despite the distasteful altercation that has just happened.
SBRs top rated book locations, I believe in order:
A+
Dutch Antilles
Costa Rica
Costa Rica
Jamaica
Jamaica
Costa Rica
Panama
A
Antigua
United Kingdom
Ive used four of the A+s for many years and both the As. The only problem I had was being restricted at one of the As.
A+
Dutch Antilles
Costa Rica
Costa Rica
Jamaica
Jamaica
Costa Rica
Panama
A
Antigua
United Kingdom
Ive used four of the A+s for many years and both the As. The only problem I had was being restricted at one of the As.
Ok godd Lori.
Now you're starting to answer my very honest, straightforward questions.
You've never experienced any problems. That's good to hear.
Can I go one further and ask, have you bet in any size at any of them ?
Have you withdrawn substantial winnings from any of them ? I'm sure a lot will be interested to hear and learn from your personal experiences. Thsat's what the forum is, or should be, all about.
Also, I really would like you to point exactly where there were any racist overtones, either implicit or explicit, in any of my posts on this subject or any subject in fact.
Also, please point out exactly where on this thread I said people were wrong. I agreed with many posts and the posts I disagreed with, I stated my reasons why ?
Never did I say I was right and others were wrong.
Until then, or unless you apologize, you're still a coward in my books.
Are you man enough to aplogize.?
Probably not.
Now you're starting to answer my very honest, straightforward questions.
You've never experienced any problems. That's good to hear.
Can I go one further and ask, have you bet in any size at any of them ?
Have you withdrawn substantial winnings from any of them ? I'm sure a lot will be interested to hear and learn from your personal experiences. Thsat's what the forum is, or should be, all about.
Also, I really would like you to point exactly where there were any racist overtones, either implicit or explicit, in any of my posts on this subject or any subject in fact.
Also, please point out exactly where on this thread I said people were wrong. I agreed with many posts and the posts I disagreed with, I stated my reasons why ?
Never did I say I was right and others were wrong.
Until then, or unless you apologize, you're still a coward in my books.
Are you man enough to aplogize.?
Probably not.
Until then, or unless you apologize, you're still a coward in my books.
Doesn't seem like the books you use are worth me worrying about what's in them.
Doesn't seem like the books you use are worth me worrying about what's in them.
Hey, guys, lay off Froggie. I'd have concerns about a company based in the Caribbean. Doesn't make me racist.
As if these companies are run by locals.
As if these companies are run by locals.
Pretty pathetic response Lori.
Still finding it hard either to get your tongue round that word sorry, or prove your points. Either would be perfectly acceptable.
If you do the latter, I will retract.
Until then, the ball is in your court.
You're not looking good in all this Lori.
Your homely, folk hero, good guy image on here is getting a bit muddied. And also you are generally quite funny and quick witted I might add.
A pity, because I bought into all image also.
Not necessary for it to happen like this though.
Which is the real pity of it.
True colours eh ? I sincerely hope not.
Still finding it hard either to get your tongue round that word sorry, or prove your points. Either would be perfectly acceptable.
If you do the latter, I will retract.
Until then, the ball is in your court.
You're not looking good in all this Lori.
Your homely, folk hero, good guy image on here is getting a bit muddied. And also you are generally quite funny and quick witted I might add.
A pity, because I bought into all image also.
Not necessary for it to happen like this though.
Which is the real pity of it.
True colours eh ? I sincerely hope not.
I don't really see why wur. Most of the better companies are based offshore, that's just how it's always been.
ffs...froggie ...the amount of time you spend on the forum probably suggests you don't have much time for betting anyway
I've had large balances on Pinnacle after winning a bet back Blackpool to win Liverpool. They are excellent as far as I'm concerned.
You should check bookmaker review and independent sites like that. Instead of asking one or two people for their views, you can see comments from a lot of numbers.
Of all the betting companies in the world, there are only four that have the highest rating: Betfair, centrebet, lads and pinnacle.
You should check bookmaker review and independent sites like that. Instead of asking one or two people for their views, you can see comments from a lot of numbers.
Of all the betting companies in the world, there are only four that have the highest rating: Betfair, centrebet, lads and pinnacle.
lol, people are moaning about being restriced at at online bookies, wont take a decent size bet, ban shrewdies when they should be using that info to set their prices, only take mug bets with high margins, blah, blah.
then someone mentions a bookies that does the opposite of these things, and what do we get ? more moaning!
then someone mentions a bookies that does the opposite of these things, and what do we get ? more moaning!
"the greek" is another bookie that doesn't limit, but I think their prices are nowhere near as good as pinny.
jimmy
I can multi-task.
Seriously my betting is systemised, all in place before the offs, and so doesn't take up all that much time.
I admit I have far too much free time on my hands, and spend probably too much time of it on the internet.
But I swim and drink like a fish everyday, so it's not all too hard to bear.
But one thing I never do is back off from a fight or take cowardly cheap shots at people.
I can't abide that. Never will.
It's not me who thinks he knows everything on here.
It's certain other tossers who can't stand it when they're called out to account for what they say they know or claim they do .
They present things as facts, not me.
I simply question when I think they may be bullsh!tting the pants off everybody, and they just hate to be disagreed with in any manner.
The confident, no bullsh!tters on here have no real problem in debating with me.
It's only a small minority of wafflers mostly.
Generally people are receptive to contrary opinions, but not all I'm afraid.
I have no doubt that many times they are right in their opinions and I am wrong.
But I never slag people off because of my insecurity in my beliefs.
And that, in a nutshell, is what happens on here quite often. Not only to me but to others.
Although it seems recently that it is only with me.
I can multi-task.
Seriously my betting is systemised, all in place before the offs, and so doesn't take up all that much time.
I admit I have far too much free time on my hands, and spend probably too much time of it on the internet.
But I swim and drink like a fish everyday, so it's not all too hard to bear.
But one thing I never do is back off from a fight or take cowardly cheap shots at people.
I can't abide that. Never will.
It's not me who thinks he knows everything on here.
It's certain other tossers who can't stand it when they're called out to account for what they say they know or claim they do .
They present things as facts, not me.
I simply question when I think they may be bullsh!tting the pants off everybody, and they just hate to be disagreed with in any manner.
The confident, no bullsh!tters on here have no real problem in debating with me.
It's only a small minority of wafflers mostly.
Generally people are receptive to contrary opinions, but not all I'm afraid.
I have no doubt that many times they are right in their opinions and I am wrong.
But I never slag people off because of my insecurity in my beliefs.
And that, in a nutshell, is what happens on here quite often. Not only to me but to others.
Although it seems recently that it is only with me.
Whats happened to the Brazil prices on tonights games????
If you're accustomed to betting on racing, then it's unlikely that these books will be any use.
But if you're into US sports, then it's likely you will be appalled at how quick the UK firms are to limit and obstruct.
Bf (& by implication other exchanges) and Ladbrokes are the only two firms that have never dicked round with my account. Ladbrokes still have inconsistent and undisclosed limits on bet size.
But if you're into US sports, then it's likely you will be appalled at how quick the UK firms are to limit and obstruct.
Bf (& by implication other exchanges) and Ladbrokes are the only two firms that have never dicked round with my account. Ladbrokes still have inconsistent and undisclosed limits on bet size.
Ladbrokes limited me to a couple of tenners after using them for 2 months betting only on big football matches in the main markets (to win) EPL, Europa League, Champions League etc.
Pinny is very good for football (soccer), but you don't get many markets (no correct score for instance).
Pinny is very good for football (soccer), but you don't get many markets (no correct score for instance).
Bookies here would use Pinnacle for hedging, they will accept large six and occasionally seven figure sums on certain games.
Pinnacle aren't that well known over here and they are secretive about their revenues etc but I would assume they would be a big player in their own right.
Pinnacle aren't that well known over here and they are secretive about their revenues etc but I would assume they would be a big player in their own right.
Yeah, there even secretive about who actually owns it!
It would be nice to know who owns them, and what their reps. are if they are individuals.
And how on the ball the appropriate regulators are?
I know after all the recent revelations at how inefficient the regulators proved to be in the GFC, that they cannot be really relied on no matter who or where they are..
But I still like to know generally whom I'm sending my money to if and when I open an account.
BF and most of the High St bookies are at least relatively safe and above board in that key area.
I know BF is in Malta etc but there are pretty clear tax benefits to that.
Whilst there are certainly tax benefits in setting up in the Caribbean, there are also other factors which come into play, regarding the whole legality of what they are doing from these places.
The US authorities seem to be incessantly hounding them, from what I read in the general press.
And let's face it, and I'm not being racist or anything else here, these Caribbean jurisdictions do attract all sorts of low lifes and fraudsters.
And no, I'm not talking about me, jus to pull the legs out from under any totally predictable comments on this from the usual suspects..
And how on the ball the appropriate regulators are?
I know after all the recent revelations at how inefficient the regulators proved to be in the GFC, that they cannot be really relied on no matter who or where they are..
But I still like to know generally whom I'm sending my money to if and when I open an account.
BF and most of the High St bookies are at least relatively safe and above board in that key area.
I know BF is in Malta etc but there are pretty clear tax benefits to that.
Whilst there are certainly tax benefits in setting up in the Caribbean, there are also other factors which come into play, regarding the whole legality of what they are doing from these places.
The US authorities seem to be incessantly hounding them, from what I read in the general press.
And let's face it, and I'm not being racist or anything else here, these Caribbean jurisdictions do attract all sorts of low lifes and fraudsters.
And no, I'm not talking about me, jus to pull the legs out from under any totally predictable comments on this from the usual suspects..
So from what i gather from this thread, pinnacle will allow you to win regularly, betting four and five figure sums? Sounds good.
Why do you lot want to use Pinnacle when you can bet all you want on Betfair?
So you are a big winner then A ?
Congrats and all that.
And here I was thinking that you were slouching around in damp old depressing London, without two pennies to rub together.
How wrong can I get it ?
Congrats and all that.
And here I was thinking that you were slouching around in damp old depressing London, without two pennies to rub together.
How wrong can I get it ?
I say this to everyone who has been hit by the PC....why don't you just increase your stakes bet in more markets and you will never ever have to pay the PC.
By the way jimmy, no disrespect to A who I regard as a friend on here, beware when you hear people just say PC in answer to your very good question.
It can certainly mean in some cases that have a need to diversify some of their betting activities, but in most cases I'm not convinced tbh.
It can certainly mean in some cases that have a need to diversify some of their betting activities, but in most cases I'm not convinced tbh.
jimmy69 Joined: 11 Apr 01
Replies: 11351 03 Nov 10 00:06
I say this to everyone who has been hit by the PC....why don't you just increase your stakes bet in more markets and you will never ever have to pay the PC.
Simply not possible for a lot of PC players who play in markets that don't have great liquidity.
Replies: 11351 03 Nov 10 00:06
I say this to everyone who has been hit by the PC....why don't you just increase your stakes bet in more markets and you will never ever have to pay the PC.
Simply not possible for a lot of PC players who play in markets that don't have great liquidity.
And in case you're curious as to why I am on the forum right now, it's because I'm at my computer putting my 3/11 soccer bets on now, in those cases at least where the overround is not ridiculous.
Then it will be legs up till the sun comes up, and then the serious swimming and drinking starts. Every day pretty much the same.
Then it will be legs up till the sun comes up, and then the serious swimming and drinking starts. Every day pretty much the same.
Because anyone with a bit of sense would make sure they don't pay it in the first place. I don't see why PC payers are always complaining. Aren't they supposed to be winning anyway?
I'm almost eligible for PC but it depends how my next 20 bets go. This is my PC Portal statement.
Lifetime Profile
Markets 227
Gross PL £ 40,142.30
Commission Generated £ 6,800.51 +
Other Charges £ 3.37 +
Premium Charges (exc. last week) £ 0.00 =
Total Charges £ 6,803.88
Total Charges % 16.95
Max possible Premium Charge £ 1,224.58
Lifetime Profile
Markets 227
Gross PL £ 40,142.30
Commission Generated £ 6,800.51 +
Other Charges £ 3.37 +
Premium Charges (exc. last week) £ 0.00 =
Total Charges £ 6,803.88
Total Charges % 16.95
Max possible Premium Charge £ 1,224.58
thanks for your comments, anyone got anything sensible to say?
I've got 23 markets left before betfair start financially raping me.
Surely you have Betfair to thank for making you money in the first place?
Yeah but I don't want to pay them any 20 percent commission.
jimmy, sometimes prices are better on pinnacle, so that is one obvious reason [;)]
The Barca price was better on here tonight. 1.35 at pinny, 1.4 on here.
For instance, I got odds of 12.3 on Blackpool to beat Liverpool, when it was 11.5 on here. I staked £175, and would have won £150 less on here (about £215 less after commission).
Betfair is best most of the time (pretty much all the time for trading), but not always.
Betfair is best most of the time (pretty much all the time for trading), but not always.
^
And if I wanted to, I could have staked £thousands.
And if I wanted to, I could have staked £thousands.
Jesus if I said what Jimmy said " PC players only have themselves to blame " I would be absolutely crucified for it.
What's your secret Jimmy ?
What's your secret Jimmy ?
Be careful, jimmy is an organised crime boss. He as responsible for most of the fixxed games in Italy last season.
You mean that wasn't me ?
After all, I've been accused of virtually everything else on here recently.
After all, I've been accused of virtually everything else on here recently.
My absolutely bestest.
You're a real sweetheart.
But it's a close choice for 2nd though.
Who do you think ?
The Mgt or Lori ?
Both absloute darlings in their own ways.
You're a real sweetheart.
But it's a close choice for 2nd though.
Who do you think ?
The Mgt or Lori ?
Both absloute darlings in their own ways.
It's difficult to say.
I think it's more that I'm just jealous of them.
They sound so self-assured and confident in all they say and do.
And also they're so polite at all times.
Great all round guys tbh.
I think it's more that I'm just jealous of them.
They sound so self-assured and confident in all they say and do.
And also they're so polite at all times.
Great all round guys tbh.
I take less and less notice of SBR reviews on bookmakers these days, books that should have been downgraded arent because they earn them money working as an affiliate.
And A the real problem of choice is proving to be that one is a stalker and the other is a coward.
Makes it all so difficult.
Makes it all so difficult.
Rugbyleaguer
Is that the case.? They generate money for each other.?
Unfckinbelievable.
Is that the case.? They generate money for each other.?
Unfckinbelievable.
jimmy69 03 Nov 10 00:16
Because anyone with a bit of sense would make sure they don't pay it in the first place. I don't see why PC payers are always complaining. Aren't they supposed to be winning anyway?
No danger of someone with your knowledge ever getting close to paying it. Clown.
Because anyone with a bit of sense would make sure they don't pay it in the first place. I don't see why PC payers are always complaining. Aren't they supposed to be winning anyway?
No danger of someone with your knowledge ever getting close to paying it. Clown.
i will rarely use betfair above pinnacle, pinnacle just have better odds.
In fact with US sports pinnacle and a few others have better odds than betfair, with football then the asian sites plus pinnacle move faster and have better odds - with tennis then pinnacle will often move first and there are other sites that know their stuff...traditional books and betfair will fall in behind them in time.
Horses I havent a clue, but for all other sports, betfair is almost never number one for a punter hunting for best price.
In fact with US sports pinnacle and a few others have better odds than betfair, with football then the asian sites plus pinnacle move faster and have better odds - with tennis then pinnacle will often move first and there are other sites that know their stuff...traditional books and betfair will fall in behind them in time.
Horses I havent a clue, but for all other sports, betfair is almost never number one for a punter hunting for best price.
to qualify, this is on major markets - not first goal scorer, or set betting etc - i mean moneylines, hcps & totals
You can't trust pinnacle. They are based in the Caribbean and haven't got a contact phone number.
The competitiveness of books such as Pinnacle (for US Sports) and SBO (for football) is clearly shown by the fairly horrific liquidity on BF in the major handicap markets for these sports. After commission there's no point playing on betfair, so people don't.(handicaps being wrong is another problem of course, plus no full point handicaps on US).
I'm pretty sure it would be possible for liquidity to be taken out of many other markets too if bookmakers had the right ideas and the right people implementing them. But they're risk averse, which is how this thread started.
I'm pretty sure it would be possible for liquidity to be taken out of many other markets too if bookmakers had the right ideas and the right people implementing them. But they're risk averse, which is how this thread started.
so pinnacle and sbo don't ban people for consistently wining then?
I always find it quite amusing that Betfair have failed in the biggest sports betting markets out there. Not sure why.
SBO look good. They have a contact phone number and some very competitive odds on some markets. Where re they based?
Isle of Man I believe. When I first used them I thought their site was a bit backward and, if i hadn't known better, may have thought it was dodgy. Had no problems at all though. They are very football centred. The limits on the other sports I have bet on with them are low.
sbo are great, limits rise the closer you get to the start - football limits always good, 5 figures for major matches sometimse.
Other sports not bad either, especially major US sports, could do with raising tennis from 417 max and college football from early 42 max but apart from that no complaints.
neither pinnacle nor sbo ban people for winning (that i have heard)
both sbo & 188bet (who are also good) are regulated in the Isle of Man
Other sports not bad either, especially major US sports, could do with raising tennis from 417 max and college football from early 42 max but apart from that no complaints.
neither pinnacle nor sbo ban people for winning (that i have heard)
both sbo & 188bet (who are also good) are regulated in the Isle of Man
Been using Pinnacle for about 4 years now and never had an issue with them.
Not that I bet these sports but just checked and could currently have about 6½k on any champions league game tonight or 12½k on the next round if NFL games if I was so inclined. Not going to get that off many UK books.
Not that I bet these sports but just checked and could currently have about 6½k on any champions league game tonight or 12½k on the next round if NFL games if I was so inclined. Not going to get that off many UK books.
I believe SBO limit you in time, but it's not an overnight thing and I think you can still get $100 on three times per event (along those lines), so although it's useless to a lot of people, "normal" people can at least still have a bet.
It's also possible that it's people not understanding what JBHA said and think they've been restricted on a newly formed market.
Lori what kind of odds do u generally go for? Are you mainly playing match odds?
Never used Pinnacle myself, could be time to add them to my list.
Lori - you are referring to 12bet/mansion88/fun88...
and I had a wash last week jimmy, and not just because i needed one.
and I had a wash last week jimmy, and not just because i needed one.
I used pinnackle yesterday but lost it on the 14th fairway.
There is a thread on the bettingadvice forum suggesting that Pinnacle do in fact restrict on the more obscure stuff (I think the example was Polish Womens Basketball) and limits on very low class football are smaller (albeit generic) than the likes of 365 from my experience a few years back.
People actually bet on Polish womens basketball ?
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