dragon den proposal for betting on greyhounds

You should have held this post till 1st April.

Duncan Bannatyne questions

1) Will you be backing or laying?
2) Whats the liquidity on greyhound races?
3) Can you post your 1 year PnL, we need to see your track record
4) Why are you taking a weekly wage? Will you take this even if you do not make a profit that week?
5) What timeframe are we talking of..

Lastly you said
hopefully when i hit £100 grand

An investment is not done on hope AND for that reason....

I'M OUT

Good luck!

Sounds better than TheGoodBet's offer though.

1] we will be betting them
2] good liquidity morning and afternoon
3] broke in front last year, but will do better with the extra reponsibillity
4] i am putting all the work in, yes a wage , win or lose
5]within the year

Starship,

Your aim is to make a profit of £50k from £50k investment. Add to it your wages of £300 per week which is £15k in a year.. Its much more than £15k actually as you are taking reducing the future value of the money by taking out money every week...

You can go for higher equity or bigger profit share which gives the investor confidence that your aim is to win them money so that you can earn your wages... PLUS it does not erode the bank and leaves maximum for betting..

you have to make it more attractive for potential investors. good luck with your hunt

Roughly how many bets per week on average?

Theo: "What, you expect me to risk my children's inheritance on this half-baked idea?"

(Duncan Bananyne is keen to drill downinto the figures....)

Dunc: "£300 a week, ya sae? I bought myself 10 ice cream vans with that kind of moooney. So I'm out."

Debra: "Shall I tell you where I am with this....?"

James: "Hi, starship, I'm Jamesssssssss. And I won't be investing, so I'm outttttttt."

Peter: "You're an idiot, and I can't work with idiots."

A 'lively' exchange there in the den.

amusing thread

Hi footsoldiers. Welcome back.

Roughly how many bets per week on average?
about 50

BAGS only or are evenings and opens included?

bags only

The very fact you are asking for investors means you can't do it.

I'm out.

Dragons I want to use your bank accounts to open accounts with bookmakers I will give you 20% of the profit.....you should clear £5.63 before they close them down.

Do you have any proof that the 100% growth rate is achievable?
How will the size of the stakes affect liquidity?

Debra quietly sits waiting for a dragon to make an offer. She then offers to go halves.

[;)]

Starship......are you putting in £5K?

Starship......are you putting in £5K?

Starship......are you putting in £5K?

can it be done with betting on horses?

you mentioned a camera, will you be doing this in the nude?

do you think for one minute i'm going to waste my childrens inheritance on this

OK I'll bite.

If you're that sure of returning a profit surely you can find a few hundred quid yourself from somewhere. Start with that and build up to higher stakes slowly.

You're a nice bloke but there's no business here - so for that reason I'm out.

Harsh words from the dragons so far. Will anyone throw him the financial lifeline he so badly needs?

Well I don't think there is enough meat in this to share it with another 9 dragons, so I must declare myself out.   But if you email me I might have a position available in my organisation.

Does the company give out free food /drinks ?


ALL at the same time
"Ill try that !"

I don't think that there are 50 good BAGS bets per week, and for that reason I'M OUT!

can we open up to allow non investors to watch the web cam for a small fee and run off tshirts that people can buy in support?

Peter to starship 'how much cash have you spunked away already on this business?'

Leaguer has seen something the other Dragons have missed

'I really like it and more than that I like you and that is very important'

'I'm going to make you an offer, but i want 15% of the business'

'If you want to go to the back of the room and think about it'

How much of this 50k will be used to pay off the debts the company has already accrued?

i will help market this idea but i want 10% of the business and will need to be able to offer those in the pyramid errm networking scheme some affiliation fees for bringing in other funding.

peter jones says if he wanted to he could copy your idea and have it up and running by 2moro,so for that reason im out.

I will invest, but I want 125% of the business and total control over all bets placed.

I will invest, but can't afford £5k.

What share can I get for €2.96

will do hat they do on dragon den
in the first year
turnover 500,000 ......50,000 profit
second year
turmover 1 million......100,000 profit
third year
turnover 2 mllion......200,000 profit
NOW
WHO IS INTERESTED

Oh well, now I am sold, is it okay if I take up all 10 spaces and pay you the £50k straight away?

If you were on dragons den you would have been down those stairs and on the bus home long before now

This is not a business. It's a ridiculous idea and I really hope it fails. I'm out.

' i had a friend who use to punt on the dogs, he's in the nut house now.
for that reason im out

is he BARKING MAD

Peter: 'As you probably know I worked with Levi Roots'.

Duncan: ' Yes Peter stop going on about it, have you still got those 3000 copies of Hamfatters latest CD in the back of your car'

Theo:' Mrs P loves dogs, but its my childrens inheritance'

Deborah: (thinks and holds up left arm at the elbow and rubs tip of thumb across tips of fingers on left hand) then makes some patronisng comment about how disappointed she is.

James(by now not only looking and talking like a cat but actually on all fours drinking milk on the floor from a saucer)

Programme closes with prsenter saying one of the 7 identical phrases he uses every single week, whilst speaking directly to 2 separate cameras positioned 10 yards apart.

General Midwinter Joined: 04 Oct 06
Replies: 427 15 Sep 10 01:01 
I don't think that there are 50 good BAGS bets per week, and for that reason I'M OUT!

lol

Someone already did make millions with a camera in position:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rHPh5Xanss&feature=related

Nice MC560 dn

Mc560 wicked funny. . .

"Hello Starship. I'm Peter.I'm afraid I won't be investing in you because I'm seriously handsome,and seriously handsome people don't get involved in dog racing, so I'm out".

Hi Starship I'm James, as you know my religion does not allow me to gamble, which I believe this is, so for that reason I'm out.

Hi Starship, I've been listening to the other dragons and in fact I'm going to make you an offer. I'm offering 1/10 of the money but i'll want 80% of the profit, but in the first year if you make 100 grand i'll give you back £10.99.

James Caan: [James Caan is usually very polite and explains why he is backing out] "You value your company at £50,000??!  What planet are you on?!"

Deborah Meaden: [She raises both eyebrows with wide eyes in disbelief and raises palms to show she is backing out] "You damn well ought to feel uncomfortable.  I'm out!"

Theo Paphitis: [Incredulous; speaks in a tone mocking Mr starship] "I would rather stick pins in my eyes than invest in you.  Do you really think that this is a wise way for me to spend my kids’ inheritance?!"

Duncan Bannatyne: [Wide-mouthed dumbfounded] "You are barking mad; it’s as simple as that!"

Peter Jones: [Outright laughing after a period of silence] "You’re in Disneyland!  It's not a very good idea; in fact it is bordering on the ridiculous!"

[Mr Starship bows his head in shame and drags his feet as he walks across the room and down the stairs.]

have you tried more orthodox routes for funding. I'm sure t northern rock may be interested.
If not try wonga.com thay lend til payday (2356%APR)

to be quite honest
i am doing quite well
had a 6/1 winner this morning that returned 8/1

Did you have the 43 quid ish FC to go with it bill?

no
betted the second two weeks ago in the fiurst race when she stumbled leaving the traps
thought the winner stayed on much better last run
thus the reason i betted her

Id never bet the 2nd before but was much lower on here so tried to have a rfc, race was off by the time paddy decided he didn't want it.

Had Killishin down from its last run as 'Sawy, Middle to wide, fc'd to check 3rd ran on well. Interesting.'

Would of had more on it if I knew you fancied it too! Hope you got a right few quid.

hey starship unless you can prove results like this
all lays
oxford
11.03 t 5
11.19 43
11.34 t2
11.48 t1
12.04 t6
12.18 t6
12.32 t6
12.47 t4
13.04 t1
13.19 t4
13.33 t4
13.51 t3
hove
11.11 t6
11.26 t6
11.42 t1
11.57 t1
12.12 t6
12.27 t1
1242 t3
12.58 t5
13.12 t5
13.27 t1
13.44 t2
14.03 t5
neary every day and im a novice  some nice layable prices im up in the 90% evey day

you have to show results starship  other wise your barking up the wrong tree

show your betfair account with them lays or your claims mean nothing

hey starship these were posted 17 Sep 10 08:28  in this forum check my postings weres your results
all lays
oxford
11.03 t 5
11.19 43
11.34 t2
11.48 t1
12.04 t6
12.18 t6
12.32 t6
12.47 t4
13.04 t1
13.19 t4
13.33 t4
13.51 t3
hove
11.11 t6
11.26 t6
11.42 t1
11.57 t1
12.12 t6
12.27 t1
1242 t3
12.58 t5
13.12 t5
13.27 t1
13.44 t2
14.03 t5

u r a genius

i no thats why im out

Is this system patent pending ?

Starship is one of the best judges of greyhounds / fishing in the country. (Cheque in the post bill?)

pappilionmybiggestwin
again u putting your lays up before the meetings means nothing
put your BETFAIR account up showing u laying these bets

Peter: I don't like your socks, so I'm out.

i'm interested.

starship of course im betting on these wots it got to do with  you lol about my account you cant convinve the dragons on here to invest you have no proof of results and lets see your betfair accounts im not selling my system so dont have to proof nothing     how many mugs you signed up

first things first
i was being sarcastic asking for people to invest
it was a joke
charade
tongue in cheek
get it
as for your stsytem
u will end up, one way
SKINT

lol starship your so funny im earning ok

it just baffles me that a person has a system that has got 28 lays at two different meetings and expect people to believe u make a profit

Why not if he has had 28 lays?

i'm interested

how can u have 28 lays
it can only be guess work

I've had 24 lays in a row.

Hello my name is James, my religous beliefs don't allow me to consume alcohol, so you see I cannot possibly be drunk at this particular moment and so for that reason i'm out.

it baffles me also considering it was 24 lays and im betting on all of them and some of them won

that should read not betting on all of them

these 2 won hove 1242 t3 jfav
12.58 t5 price was to high so no bet

lol at a two bob guesser ribbing starship

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:15 am    Post subject:     

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all lays
nottingham
11.03 t3 
11.19 t4 
11.34 t6 
11.48 t3 
12.04 t3 
12.18 t2 
12.32 t1 
12.47 t5 
13.04 t1 
13.19 t3 
13.33 t1 
13.51 t1 
posted these early hours this morning  adrian massey forum only 1 won 13.04 t1 betfair price 4.0

brilliant,well done.

I take it you lay them regardless of price,cos your system put them up?

LMAO

i no lol

sunderland
18.04 t5 lay

pappilionmybiggestwin     19 Sep 10 11:09 
all lays
perry bar
11.19 t4
11.34 t3
11.48 t6
12.04 t6
12.18 t5
12.32 t4
12.47 t6
13.04 t4
13.19 t3
13.33 t3
13.51 t4
14.06 t6
hove
11.28 t2
11.43 t1
11.58 t4
12.13 t3
12.27 t6
12.42 t1
12.58 t2
13.12 t6
13.27 t 2
13.44 t1
13.58 t2
14.12 t 5


Another two tracks you do as well.  You even came on putting lays up at Monmore the other day.  Are you Kwijibo?

ah of course monmore,how did i not get that! D'oh!

Papp, please continue posting.  I am unfortunate enough to only talk to people with very good opinions when it comes to dogs.  Generally most of them have similar opinions most of the time, give or take the odd slight difference.  However, I like to get an angle from the guessers in order to gauge the potential liquidity available on dogs we want to bet.  It always helps when I read the RP spouting how one I want to have on has very little chance and then I read another wannabe like yourself thinks it is a lay. I know getting on might be a tad easier than I expected.  Keep up the good work. 

place & win selections
romford
10.31 t5

10.46 t6 nap
11.00 t1
11.16 t3
11.31 t6
11.44 t3
11.58 t4
12.17 t6
12.33 t4
12.47 t5
13.04 t6
13.19 t4
13.33 t2
13.49 t2
not bad for a pin stikker[;)] or guesser