Bots betting without delay on world cup markets?

mc selecta....right now using an excel simply for that function if I am hedging a market.  I haven't been doing as much trading the past few months.  A combo of my PC dying (on Mac) and time these days.  But before I was using several of the functions on bfexplorer that would get the bet in (or it seemed to me).  I seem to remember using the "first in cue" with set odds that would re-activate itself and if canceled, would keep asking. 

If Stefan (bfexplorer) is about (or I will email him), maybe he can give some insight on how bfexporer reacts to suspension (I think he has a forum or blog on his site he posts answers...).

My custom build version of Bfexplorer PRO offers such tool called: Place bet at suspension. I am not sure if it is available publicly, check it out yourself.

pato: How can you not know? You are the author of BFexplorer. Don't you know what you have produced?

I'll second that.  His English is just as bad & identical to Stefans, his descriptions of the product are just like Stefans, and if you do a google search on "pato joined"  site:community.betfair.com surprise surprise every single post is plugging BFExploder.

I rumbled him ages back, so now he's pretending like he's a customer.  :D  Still that's Stefan for you. 

At least Shapeshifter is a genuine user, as no way Stefan's Engrish could ever be that good.

Geek, I use your software and it's amazing. If there was some way of re-submitting bets after a 'suspended' then it would be perfect [;)]

Thanks all the same.

Haven't played around with the API lately, but can a bet be cancelled during the in play count down before its matched?

No - it would be a licence to print money if you could.

Bets cannot be placed while the 'suspended' sign is up. At least, not via the web interface. You have to wait until the market is live again BEFORE the countdown will start. By which point, bets are already up at the new price.
So, 'someone' is circumventing 'something'.
Unfortunately, that's all that can be proved at this point.

my custom written bot hides my bets behind the suspend call on a count of 4.99 and once the suspend call disappears it's hits 5 and therefore (unless someone can get in quicker that .01 of a second) they are always front of the queue




actually i made all that up, i wouldn't know a bot if it bit me on the arse

Jimbo747 Joined: 15 Feb 08
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Haven't played around with the API lately, but can a bet be cancelled during the in play count down before its matched?

Not anymore. They fixed that 3-4 years ago.

were the bets already up?

You can't get round the 5 sec delay with the api but you can repeatedly bombard the suspended market with offers so that you stand a good chance of being front of the queue once the market is reactivated.

Cue BF crashing as everyone now tries this ^^^^^^

I think that is one reason the data charge was introduced.

Not sure your understanding me. If you keep bombarding the suspended market with bet requests and eventually one goes through as the market changes to live, you have to wait a further 5 seconds for the bet to hit the market. Meanwhile, bets are already in the system 5 seconds ago and appeared the moment the market was unsuspended. There are no keep-bet options so it is'nt this.

Someone is betting without delay.

How do you identify the precise moment the market in unsuspended?

*is*

Sorry, not got a technical response to that question. Using the web interface, clicking refresh frantically until the suspend sign disappears. The moment the market becomes live, there are already bets up, often at the NEW prices after a major event (goal, sending off etc).

Does the market become live for api users 5 seconds before everyone else?

i've always wondered about this as well. after a 2nd goal has been scored in a game, there is no way any bets should be on the market wanting to back a team at 1.01 until 5 seconds but you regularly see amounts pop up the instant the suspended sign is removed.

also, say a team is 3 nil up and there is a large amount wanting to back at 1.01. if the team scores a 4th, when the market gets suspended, you will often see amounts in the back column remain at 1.01, and still there after the suspension is removed..... so clearly there are some people who have an advantage over the majority

The easiest thing to do would be to email Betfair and ask them for an answer. It would be interesting to see what they say (if anything).

Unless it's something to do with multiples?

The other night on the U/O 3.5 market, I believe it was the holland/uruguay match.

The odds just before the third goal on U/O 3.5 were around 1.78 /1.80 on overs.

The Suspend was over top of the odds on the screen. 

The Suspend was lifted and momentarily all the tiles on both sides showed odds BUT a refresh later (my rate was at 1 second), they disappeared and the ask was at 1.36.

I noticed that none of the offers that had been left up (1.78 downwards) had been matched (the graph a few seconds later was updated and showed that).  Thus despite the odds appearing on the screen for that "flash" of a second, none were matched or "hoovered" on the way down to 1.36.

I still believe that this is API sending in bets then getting refused at "zero" on the count down rather than how the betfair interface does not allow you to even start the clock till the count down.

Years ago, yes, the grid would be void of bets then you would see them all start to come up.  But since API, it seems that people are sending requests during the suspend that, repeating myself, go through the 8 seconds but are rejected at zero.

That was my other thought, rocket. Perhaps BF laying off some liability? Betduck do it, so why not.

Also, if I tracert betfair, from my congested network, it takes 449ms to resolve one way. Thats nearly 1 second for data sent to and from me and thats not including the delay within betfairs API. Presume those on the old copper network will be slower, and conversely those on a fibre backbone will be quicker.

I just watched the 3.5 on the the Spartak match after the second goal.

SUSPEND with bets still up.

When the UNSUSPEND came up, on the overs was 1.04 and 110.

I suspect that these would have been "keep bets" left up from the start.

Graph shows no hoovering

was the 1.04 a lay or a back?

It definitely happens, it might get less people's backs up if it were worded more like "Someone seeding markets with no delay" as I don't think they're using it to hoover. At least not in soccer.

Not sure your understanding me. If you keep bombarding the suspended market with bet requests and eventually one goes through as the market changes to live, you have to wait a further 5 seconds for the bet to hit the market. Meanwhile, bets are already in the system 5 seconds ago and appeared the moment the market was unsuspended. There are no keep-bet options so it is'nt this.

Someone is betting without delay.


I am one of the bot operators who bombards the API with place bet requests during suspension, in the hope of being one of the first to
to get a bet up in the unsuspended market.

I can assure that you that we bot operators are faced with the same 5-second delay, although I have noticed the phenomenon you refer to. For some reason, the regular web site seems to become unsuspended a bit later than the API, so even if you click refresh frantically during suspension, you'll only see the 'SUSPEND' sign disappear a second or two before the new bets appear.

Contrarian - assuming you can't use this technique to hoover up bets from before the market was suspended, why is it worth going to all that effort to be first in the queue?  Are you placing trap bets that you hope someone might take in the confusion?  If you don't mind me asking?

Did you back or lay (or both) the 17.5 contrarian?

I feel like a second-rate customer using the web interface now.

JPL, it is worth being first in the queue, your bet is more likely to be taken at value.

JPL66,

As Catfloppo says, it is worth being first in the queue because you're more likely to get a value bet. (And, in certain circumstances, where the true price is below 1.01 or above 1000, then obviously it is advantageous to be the first there).

It is also possible to hoover bets, though. People do leave bets up with the 'keep bet' option ticked, which can be swept up after a goal is scored.

The main reason, though, is that there is a huge amount of confusion about the correct price immediately after a goal has been scored/a player has been sent off, and it is possible to get a bet matched at decent odds.

Perhaps someone has found to place keep bets using the api, even though the option isn't there?

I've noticed in asian handicap markets, that certain users are able to place bets at odds of 1000, despite the maximum being 999.

According to betfair, they are able to do this with Betfair rapid. Very strange.

from the above it seems there is no obvious way to place a bet instantly after suspension for api users either.....
so 3 possible scenarios:
a) someone has found a way to circumvent the delay after the suspension (most likely), or
b) betfair themselves are getting in on the act or
c) betfair are allowing certain user(s) to be first in the market after a suspension

It's strange that no one from betfair will post an answer to this.

Dear Betfair,





Could I draw your attention to a thread in General Betting - 'Bots betting without delay on world cup markets?' (http://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/25167197/Bots_betting_without_delay_on_world_cup_markets?pg=1)



It seems offers are appearing in markets the instant the SUSPEND sign has cleared which clearly goes against the delay we should all experience.



Is this to do with the way Betfair match Multiples?



Regards




That's a copy of the email I've sent.

Well be hosting a Q&A session on the forum on Tuesday 13th July between 6.00 pm and 7.30 pm (UK Time). We welcome questions on any topic of interest to Betfair customers.

Please send any questions you have to livechat@betfair.com, and we will endeavour to answer as many as possible. You can send any questions you have from now, and responses will be posted on the night.

Unfortunately it is not possible for us to respond to each email individually but we will attempt to answer all questions raised via the live Q&A session.

Try there Rocket.

THanks, I've just sent the email to that address as well.

Here's a thought?

Could "international bets" or bets put through Gibralter being unsuspended at a different time?

Less liquidity from that market being stacked in thus needs less time for the data matrix to be cleared.

A thought, nothing more.

Feck N. Eejit Joined: 10 Jan 02
Replies: 1351 09 Jul 10 08:27   


It's strange that no one from betfair will post an answer to this.

Pythia promised me an answer "Next Monday" several months ago.

Well, no reply so far.

I'd have honestly been surprised if I had had one though.

I'll send it again, it must have gotten lost.

WOW, that was freaky. Here's the reply:

Dear

Thank you for your e-mail.

When customer's place multiple bet's, they are betting against Betfair, not other customer's. This has nothing to do with people using automated software to put up prices after a market is reactivated.

Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any further enquiries.

Kind regards,

Paul MacDonald

Betfair Helpdesk


Very helpfull

So we've ruled out what it isn't. Do we keep sending them emails until we find out what it IS?

Rocket

im slightly confused, what was that answer in response to?

The email I sent them (a few posts up)

On the betfair response - correct me if I am wrong but betfair do trade to hedge their multiples, do they not?

You'd think one of the requisites to work on an email helpdesk was a grasp of the English language above GCSE grade F level.

I'm beginning to think there is no 'Paul MacDonald' but rather a piece of software which scans the emails looking for certain words/sentences which it then uses to search a pool of token answers which it replies with, whether it answers the question or not. I can't even be arsed to send another one.

When customer's place multiple bet's, they are betting against Betfair, not other customer's.

That's's fookin shocking

When customer's place multiple bet's, they are betting against Betfair, not other customer's.

A statement that will quickly be reversed if the gp tax or levy is ever replaced with a tax or levy on turnover.

Remember when betfair changed their service announcement to 'fit-in' with some planned maintenance one morning?

It's almost like they look at a problem and then think 'what would a government do in this position?'.

Also, that cryptic email response to rocket is shocking.

Answer seems ot have no relevance to the question?

Unless (which must be impossible) they are indicating the first bets placed after the suspend , are betfair hedging bets? but that makes totally no (well little) sense either...

I have noticed some strange matchings....

ie

Spain is trading 2.2 when the score
after they score, the quickly become 1.4 (trades 1.35 to 1.45) erratic then settles

but when you check the chart and match bets, sveral smaish amounts are done at, 1.8, 1.9, 1.6 etc etc

are these keep bets?

and if they are - betfair need to change the system

The Magician (100)
Joined: 16 Jan 09
Replies: 271 12 Jul 10 18:24   
Answer seems ot have no relevance to the question?



Exactly!


They've ignored the important part of the email.

but when you check the chart and match bets, sveral smaish amounts are done at, 1.8, 1.9, 1.6 etc etc

are these keep bets?

and if they are - betfair need to change the system

Yes would guess they are keep bets, they are still in play through suspensions. they do what they say they do, so not sure why they need changing. Your not going to get value but the option is there if you want to use it.

I don't see the problem, it appears just to be people bombarding the servers with bets until one gets processed

There are no 'keep bet' options in the 'to qualify' markets. At least, I didn't have this option available.

If it is betfair, they made a terrible mistake at one time and backed and layed the wrong sides for almost £20,000. Like i said before, these bets were hoovered almost the instant they appeared on screen (maybe by betfair themselves again once they realised the mistake) however, both actions still made it through to the market within a second or two of the suspension being raised.


Don, that happens in lots of markets, which is fine. Market is unsuspended, 5 seconds later the fastest person's bet appears. In this instance however, bets are appearing without having to wait 5 seconds after the suspension is lifted. Can you see the problem now?

Dear Betfair,

Could I draw your attention to a thread in General Betting - 'Bots betting without delay on world cup markets?' (http://community.betfair.com/general_bet...
It seems offers are appearing in markets the instant the SUSPEND sign has cleared which clearly goes against the delay we should all experience.
Is this to do with the way Betfair match Multiples?
Regards
Rocket to the FACE

Hi,
Thanks for this, we are aware of the post and are currently investigating it further, as soon as we have a more comprehensive response for you we will respond. Apologies that this isn’t instant but it requires a bit more investigation at this stage. Thank you for your patience.

Do you think they'll get back to us in this thread or by email?

We can categorically confirm that neither Betfair’s Maltese company, nor any other Betfair entity, is able to place a bet without experiencing the same bet-placement delay as regular customers.

That was from the answer to the question above mine in the livechat. So it isn't Betfair.

I've had a slightly more comprehensive email from Betfair:

Dear

I am writing in response to your recent e-mail enquiry and also the question you sent to our live forum chat on Tuesday evening, regarding the thread on the Betfair forum titled “Bots betting without delay on World Cup markets”

Having investigated the points included in the forum thread, I can confirm the following points;

·         Every customer, irrespective of platform used, is subject to the bet delay as set on each market.

·         Bets cannot be placed on any market which is suspended.  Any type of bet placement will be rejected at the point of bet placement, until the market is un-suspended and open for betting.

·         The option to place ‘keep’ bets on many in-play markets results in orders sitting behind the suspension banner after all other unmatched bets have been cancelled.

·         Whilst an automated system may execute market navigation/bet placement more quickly than doing so manually, such bets are in no way exempt from the in-play countdown.

·         This includes any bets placed by the team within Betfair responsible for hedging multiples, which are subject to the same delays as mentioned above.



Having also investigated activity conducted on a number of markets offered through the World Cup, including some mentioned on the thread, we are satisfied that all markets were operated as we would have expected and every bet placed in-play was executed after the applicable in-play countdown had expired. 

I do hope this clarifies the situation for you but if you have any further questions then please do not hesitate to contact us again.

Kind regards,

Phil Cohen

Head of Customer Services

The fastest bets are placed server-side.

how much quicker though?

As the email says no one can get around the clock but there is an internet delay for those who bet at home. The information you see on your computer could be up to .5 seconds behind the server regardless of your refresh rate.

And when you add that half second for both reading server and sending in bets, then you're up to 1 second behind the chap in betfair towers.

no where near 5s though is it, are they just saying the original poster is mistaken then?

Remember that when the home user sees the suspend sign disspear (regardless of how often his pounds the refresh button) the actual market unsuspended up to half a second earlier.

Let me just retype that out, too many typos

Remember that when the home user sees the suspend sign dissapear (regardless of how often he/she pounds the refresh button) the market actually unsuspended up to half a second earlier.

The same for when you try to submit your bet, you'll wait up to half a second before the request even hits the server.

Modk, your theory has a big hole in it. About a 4 - 4.5 second hole actually..........

So,
- Betfair fail to provide an explanation for the third time. Instead, choosing to waft about their own personal 7 commandments (thou shall not beat the in-play delay etc) with no reference to the fact that many of these commandments have been circumvented in the past.

- I noticed that occasionally, the person beating the delay was not operating. I put it to the forum that these were the markets/times which were 'investigated'.

- Betfair have confirmed that no person or entity can escape the in-play delay. They have also confirmed that bets are rejected whilst the market is suspended so no 'timing strategies' can be employed. Alas, betfairs decisions and written word over the years has built up a less than desirable reputation (regarding intentions and transparency) with long-term customers and those that pay any interest as to the market operations. I'd like to believe what they say, sadly their past record leaves me feeling dubious. Spouting 'spin' always adds to the feeling of being held at arms length from a box which, if opened, would damage customer relations further.

- Betfair 'hope' that their response clarifies the situation knowing full well what the problem is and that an answer hasn't been given. Instead of keep giving us the option to probe further, just tell us what we want to know.

If everyone has to wait for the applicable delay, fine. If someone has found a loohole (even a legitimate one) such that the delay is negated, not fine.

I think betfair need to answer the main theory contender now which is:
'Do some customers/users/clients have access to the un-suspended market before others, therefore effectively beating the delay?'.

Please no more replies such as 'We can't/don't want to tell you the answer your looking for but what we can say is that the grass is green and the sky is blue and therefore we have given you a totally factual and true response.'

We are not Jeremy Paxman, betfair, and you are not politicians, just answer the question.

I've not seen the kind of time difference between the market unsuspending and the first money hitting the market which you do. Even on the match odds market for the world cup, money hits the market a fraction of a second before me which I put down to internet delay.

On a slightly different note, I have noticed that Betfair have recently change their t&c to restrict fastest refresh rates to 0.2 seconds. Is this to further aid the server-side superfast bettors and have the rest of us operate with a handicap.

I thought about this more (I might be repeating myself from earlier post).

Years ago, when a market was suspended,

- the market would suspend
- all the grids would be completely blank
- then prices would pop up filling the grid.

Can definitely remember this. 

If someone could video a suspend, unsuspended screen with numbers appearing instantly and posting this on youtube, it will help.

it would have to be market without keep bets option

People have written bots to bombard the Betfair servers during suspension so that they hit the keep bets first on unsuspension. More people will do the same. It will be become a very competitive area if it isn't already. To manual users, it may appear that someone is beating the clock but I am certain they aren't.

I wrote a bot a while back to do 1.01 bombardment during market initialization the day before racing in order to be first in the 1.01 keep bet lay queue for horses. Although I was beating the existing big player (the one that people accuse of being a bf employee) some of the time I gave it up as I wasn't getting anywhere.

Anyway, the funny thing about it - I had to do the bet bombardment using the web interface as it accepted bets before the API would!

Essentially this might be coming down to API that

(a) are subject to a count down like everyone
BUT
(b) the "SUSPEND" does not stop them from "placing" a bet that is THEN subject to the count down.

Thus, as mentioned several times, a matter of "refiring" a series of bets at intervals to hit at the right moment.

But, this puts a question to this theory:

If I want to place a lay at 2.0/£500 upon the UNSUSPEND and start firing at .05 seconds, eventually one will be placed (I am happy) but so will several others since I can't stop a request once it is into count down leading to overstaking.

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PRE-API

I seem to remember that years ago, I used to keep an extra window open with bets on them ready to go incase the window I had open froze.

When a suspend came up, that "bet" would still be at the ready since I had odds and wager in place.  I used to adjust based on the reason of the suspend then would try placing it during the SUSPEND.  The count down used to start even though suspend was showing on the event.

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Discussions and theories aside, I can see why the bets remain up and "cancel" the millisecond that the event is turned in play and are not able to be matched since there is a count down

BUT

Once these are canceled, the grid should be completely BLANK for (in the case of a 5 second count down) 4.999 seconds till the first bets arrive.

Over to betfair on this.

can you remember in the days of 'the spinning clock' . Bets would hang around in the ether for ages (say 15-20 seconds) before actually hitting the market. i can remeber submitting a bet, suspend came , and unsuspended whilst my bet was hanging around in the air , and then hit the market at completely the wrong odds, and there was nothing i could do to cancel it. and the suspend didnt block it either.

I think something similar is occuring here.

I agree with bayes, its just superfast users (probably with a laptop pluggeed directly into the server) whose money will appear to be 1-2 seconds ahead of home user. Else its keep bets (and crossmatched) which confuse people when market reopens.

Just to clarify, if a keep bet option is selected before kick off and the market is suspended for a goal, the keep bets are kept in the market?


If so, that may explain the bets appearing straight after the SUSPEND goes away but why would the bets have to 'appear' at all? If they were keep bets they'd stay there the whole time rather than the grid going totally blank and bets appearing the instant the SUSPEND comes up.

I think to properly analyse this somebody needs to record it happening. Easier said than done but the best place would be the Correct Score market as you can't Keep Bets there any longer.

modk, I see what you're saying but how does that 1-2 second advantage equate to beating a 5 second rule?

Just to clarify, if a keep bet option is selected before kick off and the market is suspended for a goal, the keep bets are kept in the market?

Yes

But the OP is saying it was a market with no keep bet option. Would need more info on markets its happening and viseo would be nice

I wish i did video it. Next time i will.

Can someone kindly keep this thread ttt'd on the forum for errr... 4 years?

Someone mentioned cross matching. I had a thought that it might be betfairs bot trying to match user's bets in a related market but it never seemed to add up to the odds in the related market. I can't be sure though.

Others have mentioned anomolies happening with strange bet occurences. Could someone be tapping into something like this? Almost as if they are causing an error to occur which has the effect of bets appearing instantly after a suspension is lifted.

This was happening many months before the World Cup.
In general, I took modk's view that it was a super fast bot with super fast connection that would always beat my standard pc and broadband connection.
It happened again tonight in a Correct Score market in Ireland. I just happened to be checking it when 'Suspended' came up. When it became 'in-play' again, prices were already there.
Not large amounts - £ 30'ish - but that would probably reflect the low liquidity in an Irish football match.

For football:  do KEEP BETS remain after either a goal or a red card?

I thought they got canceled at that point.

no i got stung once. had keep bet before kick off, went in play, early goal, money still in play and gone in flash of eye They dont get cancelled at any point.

My condolences....

brendanuk1,

QUESTION: were you monitoring the bet?

Re:  once a market is unsuspended, you should be able to cancel immediately since ALL OTHER BETS would be subject to a count-down.  Example - football, you would have 5 seconds to cancel before anyone could grab it.

When you send a bet via the API, presumably Betfair mark the bet with the time they receive it at their end and use that time to delay applying the bet.  They wouldn't rely on the timestamp added at the user end would they?

If they were, it would simply mean altering the time stamp by 5.1 seconds on the UNSUSPEND.

Yeah I had the market up. Was refreshing to see end of suspension. Suspension went and so did money, pretty much instantly. It was at that point I start to think maybe keep bets dont cancel after a goal.
I wasnt expecting the money to be still up there, so wasnt looking to cancel on a goal. maybe if i was more nibble, put it down to expensive lesson on keep bets cancelling

Could you independantly time the lifting of a suspension and the time of first matched bets after. Via change in total matched? this should be 5 seconds?

Brendan:

CANCELING A BET: is instantaneous.  Inotherwords, your bet should have been canceled PRIOR to anyone making it to the grid since they are subject to a delay after the suspension.

Apologies if repeating myself.  Just driving the point that if you have a keep bet up and the market suspends, you should be able to cancel prior to anyone being able to take it.

yeah i know, i wasnt expecting it to be still there so didnt bother looking till it was gone. Lesson learnt

If I know I will be in front of the computer, I am going to leave a lay at around 50% of the off on a home fave and see if it gets matched after the first goal if fave scores.

Last night was trading 3.5 market on one of the matches.

A low liquidity market on the CL match.  Bets cleared, some stayed up, no bets rushing in prior to 8 seconds.

But last night on a Brazil match, bets on the 1X2 seemed to be coming in fast after the UNSUSPEND.

Definitely one to watch for.

I think I'm confusing myself here.

If a Keep Bet is selected and the market suspends for a goal then all bets are cleared but Keep Bets will remain. If there is then another goal, all bets should clear?

either way, as far as I'm aware I took the screenshot below the instant the SUSPEND cleared. as you can see there are trap bets up already but what i was interested in was the yellow flash indicating a bet getting matched.

how?

tiny.cc/g8wi1

I've never noticed bets on the football correct score markets beating the delay after a goal suspension, it doesn't happen.

Did anyone else notice the guy with more money than sense betting in the correct score markets this evening? He's lumping in a 1k lay at 10.0's (9k for him) and holding the price up lovely for 10 minutes or so, them whoosh down to 7's and 6's in less than 5 minutes!

If a Keep Bet is selected and the market suspends for a goal then all bets are cleared but Keep Bets will remain. If there is then another goal, all bets should clear?

keep bets keep on going till they are matched or event finishes. 1 goal 2 goal dont think it matters.

I took the screenshot below the instant the SUSPEND cleared. as you can see there are trap bets up already but what i was interested in was the yellow flash indicating a bet getting matched.

Yeah this is the nub of it. "Suspend" disappears and bets are matched pretty much instantly. I am open to hear a techncal explaination but the "internet lag" ones just dont cut it for me with 5s and more delays. We are still behind by 2 or 3s compared to the bets being matched on the market.

i guess that screenshot is geeks toy, so would be seeing the market via the API?

Yeah that is via the API and as far as I know Geeks Toy is as fast as the rest of them and even if it weren't, it wouldn't be slow enough to be able to explain away ala Modk's theory - I think!

brendanuk1,

Yeah I had the market up. Was refreshing to see end of suspension. Suspension went and so did money, pretty much instantly. It was at that point I start to think maybe keep bets dont cancel after a goal. Cry
I wasnt expecting the money to be still up there, so wasnt looking to cancel on a goal. maybe if i was more nibble, put it down to expensive lesson on keep bets cancelling

Could you independantly time the lifting of a suspension and the time of first matched bets after. Via change in total matched? this should be 5 seconds?

I hadn't used the main platform in a while.

Upon suspension, you can CANCEL a (or all) bet/position prior to the market opening up again avoiding the odds going against you.

surely someone has audited a market where they think this is happening using the API?