The Curious Case of Martin Gale

Every race has gone off late so far! 5 mins late in the very first race even - great start :(

Run 2

Bet1 Jalors @4 lost
Bet2 Gold Post @5.5


Back       Your
Odds     Your
Stake     Your
Profit
Gold Post     5.5     £20.74     £93.33

Run 2

Bet1 Jalors @4 lost
Bet2 Gold Post @5.5 lost
Bet3 Youhavecontrol @4.5



Back       Your
Odds     Your
Stake     Your
Profit
Youhavecontrol     4.5     £32.59     £114.07

this ground will throw up some strange results today wedged! If you can get 2 runs under your belt i'd consider quitting for the day, good luck

Strange, I was just thinking similar!

Thankfully i've been doing other betting on top (lays) which is going smoothly so far - possibliy due to the ground.

Run 2

Bet1 Jalors @4 lost
Bet2 Gold Post @5.5 lost
Bet3 Youhavecontrol @4.5 lost
Bet4 Stratton Banker @3.5   (IR)

Back       Your
Odds     Your
Stake     Your
Profit
Stratton Banker     3.5     £58.67     £146.68

Run 2

Bet1 Jalors @4 lost
Bet2 Gold Post @5.5 lost
Bet3 Youhavecontrol @4.5 lost
Bet4 Stratton Banker @3.5 lost    Down to 1.6 but left too much to do.

no bites on my 15.05 salisbury thread the forum's just not the same these days

ha "where's the place market!!!"

Wedged, somewhere back in an earlier post you said that there were certain types of races that you did not get involved in and also that you were happy to play in Irish racing.  I simply mean that I am betting blind in all UK horse racing without applying any sort of personal opinion about the race type, conditions etc. 

Your results so far show a profit of £3242 in 25 days.  This is an average of £129.68 per betting day.  At a target of £70 profit per bet you are making a profit of approx 1.85 points per betting day.

By betting blind in UK racing only at odds of 3.3 or greater I am making an average of 1.79 points per betting day. Slightly less than you but close enough to suggest that plain old averages would provide a similar result.

Run 2

Bet1 Jalors @4 lost
Bet2 Gold Post @5.5 lost
Bet3 Youhavecontrol @4.5 lost
Bet4 Stratton Banker @3.5 lost
Bet5 Quick Wit @5


Back       Your
Odds     Your
Stake     Your
Profit
Quick Wit     5     £51.33     £205.32

I got on too early there, it was at 4.3 so I asked for 5 IR and it was soon taken as it flew to 7.4 all before the off!

Run 2

Bet1 Jalors @4 lost
Bet2 Gold Post @5.5 lost
Bet3 Youhavecontrol @4.5 lost
Bet4 Stratton Banker @3.5 lost
Bet5 Quick Wit @5 wins


That drift was worrying, but it by no means is a guide to spot a loser/winner imo.

Hi Topnag, I'd not worked out my profit per points stat - interesting, thanks.

I see, so yeah with a recoup losses system such as martingale, you do stand a good chance either way - as long as you avoid the days that bring some very stange results.  And that is where the stop loss comes in which should help you reduce the damage caused by those days considerably.

How long have you been running yours?

DAY 26 finished with TWO successful RUNS giving a net profit of £130.

Should be slightly more but annoyingly my first bet didn't quite have enough on to make the £70 so lost £2.50 even before commission.

Finished slightly early but I agree with Buzzer's earlier opinion to stop after the 2nd run as the ground was an unreadable factor.

Running P/L: £3372

I was first introduced to cover-to-win staking when an old racing buddy showed me a copy of the Legacy betting system about 10 years ago.  I believe it is still in copyright so I won't give the selection method here but it was not the winner finding method that impressed me (which is pretty obvious) but the staking plan.  I have applied it to many different betting methods over the years, the most successful being to back the favourites in maidens from the beginning of the flat season to midsummers day.  Wait till next year and try that too!

It is the staking plan of a current and popular system called the Favoutites Phenomenon which grinds out steady profits over time as well.  I am a forum addict and have been following your thread from the start, and have been playing with real money but to smaller stakes over the last 2 months.  I am a firm believer that systematic betting is a profitable exercise, but that no single plan will make you the retirement package that you dream of. 

I have added your version to three other cover-to-win systems that I am currently running and it is a welcome and profitable addition.  I have a day job (of sorts) and am unable to keep uninterrupted records as the nature of cover-to-win betting means that you have to be free to bet all afternoon.  I can usually get 3 or 4 afternoons free per week. 

The way I am betting is this.  UK horse racing only.  Odds to be 3.3 or greater on Betfair.  Bet to be matched before the off ( no in-running).  Cut off point to be the equivalent of a loss of 6 points.  This will vary according to prices but as a general rule this will stand a run of 6 or 7 losses.  By betting this way I am getting returns very close to yours in terms of points won.  There must be many variations on this method.

Good luck with your target of 10k. I am cheering you on!

By the way the pedant in me insists on calling this a cover-to-win method and not a martingale.  Martingale simply means doubling up your stakes after a loss and is the express super highway to the poorhouse.

HERNANDEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

wedged getting quite a few fans now.. just what thread needed!

hope u enjoyed the game mate

A good read there, Topnag. Best of luck to you also. I see you have been here since 03 so hopefully you are quite accomplished at what you do by now. :)  Glad it's been worth a read for you (and others).

I understand it's not strictly martingale, so I agree there, but it is rather more catchy hehe.


P.S. Good result for you stevies. I made a bit of play money on the game, although would have made more had MU not won! ha.

DAY 27 of the thread and we're playing in the first race of the day.

Let's see if it's a good a start as yesterday...

Run 1

Bet1 Musnad @3.8



Back       Your
Odds     Your
Stake     Your
Profit
Musnad     3.8     £25.00     £70.00

Again, got on far too early.  I placed bet at 13:55 @3.8 and by the off it was alread out to 5.4.

Run 1

Bet1 Musnad @3.8 lost
Bet2 Sahafh @3.5  (IR)

Back       Your
Odds     Your
Stake     Your
Profit
Sahafh     3.5     £38.00     £95.00

took on Iron Range at 2.16 in the 2.20, someone must know something but this is plenty short enough against the horses who've already shown reasonable form

bad timing 2 now

the market got that one right

This nursery is tough, early applause at 12.5 is my pick. Purely an odds based decision

Have to admit I followed the market like a sheep there.  It must have been doing great things away from the course for that price though.

At least it won't have hurt you much at that price Buzz.

Run 1

Bet1 Musnad @3.8 lost
Bet2 Sahafh @3.5 lost
Bet3 Profonda Rosso @4.5  (IR)

I do like Early Applause though. GL

Went to 4.4 so not quite matched, now 3.7 :(

We'll have to see if it needs amending or cancel the bet.

Back       Your
Odds     Your
Stake     Your
Profit
Profondo Rosso     4.5     £38.00     £133.00

strictly pink in the next at 7

Was late back to the comp there and went to take Fenella Fudge @4 but missed it, then she was down to about 1.3 so I gave up and she got done.

your ideal price there wedged

ted spread at 7 for me at newmarket, a winner would be gratefully received

6/1 should go a long way to sorting you out!

bundles of money for this western pearl

Going with fav, possibly BTL

(Not on the martingale)

Back       Your
Odds     Your
Stake     Your
Profit
Harris Tweed     2.29     £250.00     £322.00


Fav lead and crossed the line first too

cheater

What ya mean stevies?  That's just a seperate bet I had as stated above, on the fav mate.

Missed a winning fav at backable odds there at Sligo!

it really should be a no bet race but i've backed hold on tiger at 6.2

im only messing wedged mate haha but i can call u 1 thing..

showoff
if only i had funds to put that on a horse

same IR 5.5

Run 1

Bet1 Musnad @3.8 lost
Bet2 Sahafh @3.5 lost
Bet3 Profonda Rosso @4.5 lost
Bet4 Hold On Tiger @5.5   (IR)

Back       Your
Odds     Your
Stake     Your
Profit
Hold On Tiger     5.5     £38.00     £228.02

Run 1

Bet1 Musnad @3.8 lost
Bet2 Sahafh @3.5 lost
Bet3 Profonda Rosso @4.5 lost
Bet4 Hold On Tiger @5.5 lost

Good stevies, thought you had misunderstood :)

'Cos that fav was too low to back on the martingale, and was just discussing bets with Buzzer.

Bit of a rush at times today - 3.10, 3.15, 3.20 then you get 15 mins between 3.30 and 3.45

the paddyman on the drift but i'm on at 4.2, could be one of those days today

this'll probably fly out to 5 now

Would you make this a personal reccommendation, as I can't decide..?

Run 1

Bet1 Musnad @3.8 lost
Bet2 Sahafh @3.5 lost
Bet3 Profonda Rosso @4.5 lost
Bet4 Hold On Tiger @5.5 lost
Bet5 The Paddyman @4.5  (IR)


Too late, i've plumped for Paddy.

Yes, however on todays form i'd avoid

Back       Your
Odds     Your
Stake     Your
Profit
The Paddyman     4.5     £63.27     £221.44

1.25 in running i even put a lay in at 1.2 you couldn't make it up

Too bad buzzer :(

The amount of my bet is slightly wrong as I cancelled, then tried to get back on again ha.

0.05 hurts, Buzz.  Happens remarkably often to me.

Run 1

Bet1 Musnad @3.8 lost
Bet2 Sahafh @3.5 lost
Bet3 Profonda Rosso @4.5 lost
Bet4 Hold On Tiger @5.5 lost
Bet5 The Paddyman @4.5 lost
Bet6 Tawzeea @3.6



Back       Your
Odds     Your
Stake     Your
Profit
Tawzeea     3.6     £103.35     £268.71

Come on! :)

wedged hamish mcgonagall will turn the day around

Hopefully, also looking at Sligo though - so this is gonna be a rush again!!

Run 1

Bet1 Musnad @3.8 lost
Bet2 Sahafh @3.5 lost
Bet3 Profonda Rosso @4.5 lost
Bet4 Hold On Tiger @5.5 lost
Bet5 The Paddyman @4.5 lost
Bet6 Tawzeea @3.6 lost
Bet7 Old Theatre Royal @3.8  (asking IR)

Back       Your
Odds     Your
Stake     Your
Profit
Old Theatre Royal     3.8     £132.88     £372.06

If Royal loses then Hamish @3.3 IR

£202 @3.5 hamish

Well that was a mad rush and certainly wasn't worth it.

The amount of sums and working out I had to do! ha

Run 1

Bet1 Musnad @3.8 lost
Bet2 Sahafh @3.5 lost
Bet3 Profonda Rosso @4.5 lost
Bet4 Hold On Tiger @5.5 lost
Bet5 The Paddyman @4.5 lost
Bet6 Tawzeea @3.6 lost
Bet7 Old Theatre Royal @3.8 lost
Bet8 Hamish @3.5 lost

Cybersnow or save my powder for Dubai Media? Humm.

Run 1

Bet1 Musnad @3.8 lost
Bet2 Sahafh @3.5 lost
Bet3 Profonda Rosso @4.5 lost
Bet4 Hold On Tiger @5.5 lost
Bet5 The Paddyman @4.5 lost
Bet6 Tawzeea @3.6 lost
Bet7 Old Theatre Royal @3.8 lost
Bet8 Hamish @3.5 lost
Bet9 Cybersnow @3.5  (asking IR)  Was 3.45 a few mins ago, now 2.8.  May have to cancel.

Back       Your
Odds     Your
Stake     Your
Profit
Cybersnow     3.42     £282.77     £684.67

Ouch.

soon wedged.. 1 is on its way very soon

Last bet stevies - Dubai Media @5   £227.23

Run 1

Bet1 Musnad @3.8 lost
Bet2 Sahafh @3.5 lost
Bet3 Profonda Rosso @4.5 lost
Bet4 Hold On Tiger @5.5 lost
Bet5 The Paddyman @4.5 lost
Bet6 Tawzeea @3.6 lost
Bet7 Old Theatre Royal @3.8 lost
Bet8 Hamish @3.5 lost
Bet9 Cybersnow @3.5 lost
Bet10 Dubai Media @5 lost

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End of run as stop loss kicks in.

The 3rd great set of lays I have come up with during the course of this thread!

I will be betting on Taikoo outside of this thread. Let's see :)

Royal Trooper won that with an excellent run. VWD.

[color=brown]DAY 27 finished with NO successful RUNS giving a net loss of £1066.

Just one of those days that we have to expect now and again, being the 3rd run that has hit a stop loss of the thread.

Using my averages, it should add 7 days onto the length of the challenge until (hopefully) we reach the target.

Due some luck perhaps?

Running P/L: £2306

Try again. Oops.

DAY 27 finished with NO successful RUNS giving a net loss of £1066.

Just one of those days that we have to expect now and again, being the 3rd run that has hit a stop loss of the thread.

Using my averages, it should add 7 days onto the length of the challenge until (hopefully) we reach the target.

Due some luck perhaps?

Running P/L: £2306

The favs have been flying in since I stopped, nearly every race! That's life.

And another.  I think that's 4 favs in a row and 4 of many others.  Amazing.

Yes Stevie, one of many faces I pulled yesterday.

Taking a day off today - plus didn't realise we had an early start! Oops

how would today ahve gone wedged? i havent been following results today

Take yer **** outta his arse Steve

well done so far

mark wilsons a legend hello to you too

whats your problem? u asked him how the results would of gone is there a problem?

you dislike this thread on the forum? f**k off it then [;)]

loved that insightful comment from mark wilson and fail to reply anymore what a c**t


wedged u given up after the loss?

calling wedged.. whats the plans for this now mate? scrapped cause of the losses?

mal how are you getting on also, you say you do it monday to friday? hows it going

hi stevie5 , not been doing it for a couple of weeks all i can say is that when i stopped i was well up.The money i was making in the day on this ( thanks wedged )i was using the winnings to bet on the selections the next day on a win system i have . To put it in a nutshell i was using upto £250 every day of what i call free money ( winnings ) on a system that wins 4/5 days . I hope i have explained that clearly .
Good luck you guys

awesome well done mate.. keep up the good work

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