New Posts For Thread: Bots, ARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30854555/bots-arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhI am sick of automated bots instantly jumping any offer I put up, literally every fecking time, seriously ban automated betting for the sanity of real players and the future of BF!"Something odd in the Ashes series winner market yesterday. The total traded (in Aus $) kept going up and down by thee same amount (about $150) every couple of seconds and this went on for hours. I assume it was a bot making a trade then reversing ithttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30854555/bots-arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?post_id=553006421#553006421"Something odd in the Ashes series winner market yesterday. The total traded (in Aus $) kept going up and down by thee same amount (about $150) every couple of seconds and this went on for hours. I assume it was a bot making a trade then reversing itMon, 23 Oct 2017 12:14:15 -0500liquidity declines have nothing to do with bots. The exchange model is perfect for low margin high turnover layers (bots or otherwise), they just require to offer slightly better odds than the books. Betfair are disrupting the model by advertisinghttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30854555/bots-arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?post_id=553005337#553005337liquidity declines have nothing to do with bots. The exchange model is perfect for low margin high turnover layers (bots or otherwise), they just require to offer slightly better odds than the books. Betfair are disrupting the model by advertisingMon, 23 Oct 2017 08:30:45 -0500If a bot jumps in front of your 7.8 lay to lay at 8.0 surely said bot risks giving away value and being taken?https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30854555/bots-arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?post_id=553004707#553004707If a bot jumps in front of your 7.8 lay to lay at 8.0 surely said bot risks giving away value and being taken?Mon, 23 Oct 2017 06:12:13 -0500Defo not a caching issue? There have been numerous instances before where the API has flashed (and I do mean flashed) up old prices.https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30854555/bots-arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?post_id=553004485#553004485Defo not a caching issue? There have been numerous instances before where the API has flashed (and I do mean flashed) up old prices.Mon, 23 Oct 2017 03:57:37 -0500Something odd in the Ashes series winner market yesterday. The total traded (in Aus $) kept going up and down by thee same amount (about $150) every couple of seconds and this went on for hours. I assume it was a bot making a trade then reversing it.https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30854555/bots-arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?post_id=553003435#553003435Something odd in the Ashes series winner market yesterday. The total traded (in Aus $) kept going up and down by thee same amount (about $150) every couple of seconds and this went on for hours. I assume it was a bot making a trade then reversing it.Sun, 22 Oct 2017 16:02:27 -0500Point to the bit where I'm moaning. This is just my view of how the situation's ended up. No one has a moral obligation to let me lay what's probably a 9.0 shot at 7.8.In practice, the result in a lot of side markets (not all though - some have beenhttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30854555/bots-arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?post_id=552999883#552999883Point to the bit where I'm moaning. This is just my view of how the situation's ended up. No one has a moral obligation to let me lay what's probably a 9.0 shot at 7.8.In practice, the result in a lot of side markets (not all though - some have beenSun, 22 Oct 2017 06:04:41 -0500They drive humans out by offering them a choice of competing at razor thin margins or not getting matched.Basically, one type of shark moaning about another type of shark, instead of working out where all the fish have gone.https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30854555/bots-arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?post_id=552999673#552999673They drive humans out by offering them a choice of competing at razor thin margins or not getting matched.Basically, one type of shark moaning about another type of shark, instead of working out where all the fish have gone.Sun, 22 Oct 2017 04:50:41 -0500Event the bots gave up on a lot of the side markets I used to seed. As frustrating as they were to compete against, the biggest problem is still the lack of opinionated backer money.https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30854555/bots-arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?post_id=552999671#552999671Event the bots gave up on a lot of the side markets I used to seed. As frustrating as they were to compete against, the biggest problem is still the lack of opinionated backer money.Sun, 22 Oct 2017 04:49:32 -0500My experience is, overall bots do tend to kill secondary markets by driving out human layers. That's what they're designed to do - establish a monopoly by deterring competition.Superficially, yes - by front running you they are improving the overallhttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30854555/bots-arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?post_id=552996983#552996983My experience is, overall bots do tend to kill secondary markets by driving out human layers. That's what they're designed to do - establish a monopoly by deterring competition.Superficially, yes - by front running you they are improving the overallSat, 21 Oct 2017 14:28:13 -0500Bots don't work for the common good either - they will always try to out compete you .nay good if youre both otherwise happy to 'share' a price .https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30854555/bots-arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?post_id=552986893#552986893Bots don't work for the common good either - they will always try to out compete you .nay good if youre both otherwise happy to 'share' a price .Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:58:00 -0500