New Posts For Thread: Hard Timeshttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30619117/hard-timesBeen on here a long time, and made some decent money over the years. Increasingly hard to make it pay, thinking of giving it up. Is there any hope for a pro-punter in the years ahead?This article is from last year, but pretty much spot on imo :- htNice town Norwich.If its of use from my many years of data and using Betfair SP's you need to beat ISP 22% laying and 10% backing after staking 2% of your bank.https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30619117/hard-times?post_id=547071807#547071807Nice town Norwich.If its of use from my many years of data and using Betfair SP's you need to beat ISP 22% laying and 10% backing after staking 2% of your bank.Tue, 08 Dec 2015 06:47:56 -0600Very easy to make money as a backer with no inside info...........very very easy. Hard part is getting enough on. The scalability is just much harder now than it used to be unless you have the holy grail of making decent margins at the odds 5 mins bhttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30619117/hard-times?post_id=547062421#547062421Very easy to make money as a backer with no inside info...........very very easy. Hard part is getting enough on. The scalability is just much harder now than it used to be unless you have the holy grail of making decent margins at the odds 5 mins bMon, 07 Dec 2015 04:26:03 -0600So to be a successful pro punter as a backer in the ring without inside info is a non trier, the winners seem to be the big layers on here with huge liability accounts, albeit pc charged, there may be Nevo's out there and good luck to them but it's ahttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30619117/hard-times?post_id=547057831#547057831So to be a successful pro punter as a backer in the ring without inside info is a non trier, the winners seem to be the big layers on here with huge liability accounts, albeit pc charged, there may be Nevo's out there and good luck to them but it's aSun, 06 Dec 2015 14:50:46 -0600What Veitch was getting on enough in a short space of time at odds ahead of the"real" price. Nowadays you just can't get those sort of sums or anywhere near before the early price markets collapse, whether you have his level of skills, infrastructurehttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30619117/hard-times?post_id=547038571#547038571What Veitch was getting on enough in a short space of time at odds ahead of the"real" price. Nowadays you just can't get those sort of sums or anywhere near before the early price markets collapse, whether you have his level of skills, infrastructureSat, 05 Dec 2015 00:34:40 -0600As an aside taking a wider view one thing I've noticed from my own punting is that if you concentrate on footy correct scores you may not get it right regularly but you will get the correct result more often than the odds suggest, so before lumping ohttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30619117/hard-times?post_id=547036537#547036537As an aside taking a wider view one thing I've noticed from my own punting is that if you concentrate on footy correct scores you may not get it right regularly but you will get the correct result more often than the odds suggest, so before lumping oFri, 04 Dec 2015 16:34:08 -0600Patrick Veitch claimed £10M profit for 7 years punting, which I believe, so wd that man - those were the dayshttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30619117/hard-times?post_id=547036371#547036371Patrick Veitch claimed £10M profit for 7 years punting, which I believe, so wd that man - those were the daysFri, 04 Dec 2015 16:16:56 -0600Over time the bookies margin or the exchange commission cannot be beaten, so what now? Time for a wider view given no inside info...my preference is for a simple system with no form study....a combo of prices and maths for single/trixie punts..https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30619117/hard-times?post_id=547036251#547036251Over time the bookies margin or the exchange commission cannot be beaten, so what now? Time for a wider view given no inside info...my preference is for a simple system with no form study....a combo of prices and maths for single/trixie punts..Fri, 04 Dec 2015 16:08:13 -0600Nevo stated that value is securing 7/4 over a 5/4 chance or something similar, which over time will reap the obvious reward, however 'time' could run out quite easily for the averagely funded pro way before the 'value' kicks in, therefore what is valhttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30619117/hard-times?post_id=547035837#547035837Nevo stated that value is securing 7/4 over a 5/4 chance or something similar, which over time will reap the obvious reward, however 'time' could run out quite easily for the averagely funded pro way before the 'value' kicks in, therefore what is valFri, 04 Dec 2015 15:39:27 -0600But in all reality the only way to make money over time in this game is to invest in manipulating the odds by fair means or foul into your favour - an edge to swerve the premium charge and bookie knock backs by plotting under the radar. Let's face ithttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30619117/hard-times?post_id=547035419#547035419But in all reality the only way to make money over time in this game is to invest in manipulating the odds by fair means or foul into your favour - an edge to swerve the premium charge and bookie knock backs by plotting under the radar. Let's face itFri, 04 Dec 2015 15:07:52 -0600Veitch managed to get up to £50k on a strong fancy a few years back, albeit with a team of agents, he worked 20 hrs per day in his prime with cracking results through military analysis, probably a one off genius punter and would love an update on whhttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30619117/hard-times?post_id=547035173#547035173Veitch managed to get up to £50k on a strong fancy a few years back, albeit with a team of agents, he worked 20 hrs per day in his prime with cracking results through military analysis, probably a one off genius punter and would love an update on whFri, 04 Dec 2015 14:47:54 -0600