New Posts For Thread: Calculating ROI with 'push'https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30433787/calculating-roi-with-pushPosting a question here that is going on in another forum but wondering about views:The usual discussions of ROI came up and someone posted theirs but took away bets where there had been a push (i.e. "draw no bet")Besides the basic argument that ROIThat guy's good! Knows his stuff :)https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30433787/calculating-roi-with-push?post_id=543765759#543765759That guy's good! Knows his stuff :)Sun, 01 Mar 2015 16:37:17 -0600Came across someone else discussing it.....http://green-all-over.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/yields-down-when-push-comes-to-void.htmlhttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30433787/calculating-roi-with-push?post_id=543765633#543765633Came across someone else discussing it.....http://green-all-over.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/yields-down-when-push-comes-to-void.htmlSun, 01 Mar 2015 16:21:29 -0600CLYDEBANK29 21 Feb 15 00:07 Joined: 10 Jan 02 | Topic/replies: 5,224 | Blogger: CLYDEBANK29's blogI don't know how bookies look at accounts but if they look at percentage returns on stakes as a ROI measure with a view to restricting, it's a much betthttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30433787/calculating-roi-with-push?post_id=543648911#543648911CLYDEBANK29 21 Feb 15 00:07 Joined: 10 Jan 02 | Topic/replies: 5,224 | Blogger: CLYDEBANK29's blogI don't know how bookies look at accounts but if they look at percentage returns on stakes as a ROI measure with a view to restricting, it's a much bettSat, 21 Feb 2015 11:29:09 -0600You could say exactly the same thing about voided bets. if you include these, you have to include them in your analysis as well for the sake of consistency.For the purposes of Kelly, you'd have to factor in the probability of a push, but you would alhttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30433787/calculating-roi-with-push?post_id=543643247#543643247You could say exactly the same thing about voided bets. if you include these, you have to include them in your analysis as well for the sake of consistency.For the purposes of Kelly, you'd have to factor in the probability of a push, but you would alSat, 21 Feb 2015 03:44:17 -0600I don't know how bookies look at accounts but if they look at percentage returns on stakes as a ROI measure with a view to restricting, it's a much better strategy to back good value short prices than good value big priced outcomes.https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30433787/calculating-roi-with-push?post_id=543639511#543639511I don't know how bookies look at accounts but if they look at percentage returns on stakes as a ROI measure with a view to restricting, it's a much better strategy to back good value short prices than good value big priced outcomes.Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:07:06 -0600The Pinnacle Sports algorithm works on the basis that you can win or stake £100, so if the max bet is £100 you can stake £400 on a 1/4 shot or £100 on a 4/1 shot. If you bet with many bookies the limit is often to win £100 regardless of odds.Sohttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30433787/calculating-roi-with-push?post_id=543639391#543639391The Pinnacle Sports algorithm works on the basis that you can win or stake £100, so if the max bet is £100 you can stake £400 on a 1/4 shot or £100 on a 4/1 shot. If you bet with many bookies the limit is often to win £100 regardless of odds.SoFri, 20 Feb 2015 17:55:41 -0600"Imagine a (vig free) bet that the book thinks is 2-1 A to win, 2-1 B to win and 2-1 the push. You know the actual odds are 6/4 A to win, 4-1 B to win and 6/4 the push.".............There are 2 ways you could look at that. 1. Is that there is a 40https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30433787/calculating-roi-with-push?post_id=543639015#543639015"Imagine a (vig free) bet that the book thinks is 2-1 A to win, 2-1 B to win and 2-1 the push. You know the actual odds are 6/4 A to win, 4-1 B to win and 6/4 the push.".............There are 2 ways you could look at that. 1. Is that there is a 40Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:27:11 -0600Blackjack is a draw no bet game and every book I've readcounted them as bets when calculating the % for differentstrategies.https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30433787/calculating-roi-with-push?post_id=543639013#543639013Blackjack is a draw no bet game and every book I've readcounted them as bets when calculating the % for differentstrategies.Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:27:07 -0600dave1357 06 Feb 15 20:44 Joined: 05 Sep 10 | Topic/replies: 3,087 | Blogger: dave1357's blogIts called return on investmentQ What did you invest? A 20 unitsQ What was your return? A 23 unitsIts not called return on investment except when there is ahttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30433787/calculating-roi-with-push?post_id=543638313#543638313dave1357 06 Feb 15 20:44 Joined: 05 Sep 10 | Topic/replies: 3,087 | Blogger: dave1357's blogIts called return on investmentQ What did you invest? A 20 unitsQ What was your return? A 23 unitsIts not called return on investment except when there is aFri, 20 Feb 2015 16:41:28 -0600I'm going through a whole 'analysis' of betting right now. ROI is one of the numbers that I am reassessing its value.But with "systems" or people using data, it is pretty key to deciding where you are finding an edge or waisting your time followinghttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30433787/calculating-roi-with-push?post_id=543492365#543492365I'm going through a whole 'analysis' of betting right now. ROI is one of the numbers that I am reassessing its value.But with "systems" or people using data, it is pretty key to deciding where you are finding an edge or waisting your time followingMon, 09 Feb 2015 16:29:43 -0600