New Posts For Thread: LIQ0ITY IN BIG DECLINE ON BETFAIRhttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30335201/liquidity-in-big-decline-on-betfairIS THIS THE END??@Bud - that was my thought - they sometimes match sums not hugely smaller than the main Place market (and sometimes match buttons, I should look for trends).https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30335201/liquidity-in-big-decline-on-betfair?post_id=551763671#551763671@Bud - that was my thought - they sometimes match sums not hugely smaller than the main Place market (and sometimes match buttons, I should look for trends).Wed, 26 Apr 2017 04:04:33 -0500The figures are just for the normal 'to be placed' market rather than the extra TBP markets that Betfair have introduced over the last few years. I suppose the turnover in the main place market could be less because of punters playing on the other plhttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30335201/liquidity-in-big-decline-on-betfair?post_id=551763297#551763297The figures are just for the normal 'to be placed' market rather than the extra TBP markets that Betfair have introduced over the last few years. I suppose the turnover in the main place market could be less because of punters playing on the other plWed, 26 Apr 2017 02:03:23 -0500if only the boxes here were empty. bud has a relevant stat, pretty much everything else is just the same endless, meaningless, drivel.... over and over again, at least 5 years running nowaverage turnover per race past 11y 816kaverage turnover per rhttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30335201/liquidity-in-big-decline-on-betfair?post_id=551763103#551763103if only the boxes here were empty. bud has a relevant stat, pretty much everything else is just the same endless, meaningless, drivel.... over and over again, at least 5 years running nowaverage turnover per race past 11y 816kaverage turnover per rTue, 25 Apr 2017 23:49:14 -0500and then when the smaller sharks start to see their profits wane at the expense of the larger sharks you will then see 'seas of empty boxes'https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30335201/liquidity-in-big-decline-on-betfair?post_id=551757535#551757535and then when the smaller sharks start to see their profits wane at the expense of the larger sharks you will then see 'seas of empty boxes'Tue, 25 Apr 2017 11:30:15 -0500The markets have sharpened already as a result of the declining recs population . There are more than enough layers already - we don't need any more so the pc is an irrelevance from that angle . We need buyers - they're hard to find - they've allhttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30335201/liquidity-in-big-decline-on-betfair?post_id=551757505#551757505The markets have sharpened already as a result of the declining recs population . There are more than enough layers already - we don't need any more so the pc is an irrelevance from that angle . We need buyers - they're hard to find - they've allTue, 25 Apr 2017 11:28:15 -0500it's hard to see what PC is for any more.The initial justification was that the winners were winning too quickly from the losers, and so the losers were being scared off. Fair enough, but the PC did nothing to lessen the rate at which the losers werhttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30335201/liquidity-in-big-decline-on-betfair?post_id=551756355#551756355it's hard to see what PC is for any more.The initial justification was that the winners were winning too quickly from the losers, and so the losers were being scared off. Fair enough, but the PC did nothing to lessen the rate at which the losers werTue, 25 Apr 2017 09:57:25 -0500Interesting numbers there Bud - The win markets have definately held their own, but as you demonstarted the Place markets are going one way. As bad as the place markets were last year (2016), so far this year they have falling off a cliff. Even allowhttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30335201/liquidity-in-big-decline-on-betfair?post_id=551754567#551754567Interesting numbers there Bud - The win markets have definately held their own, but as you demonstarted the Place markets are going one way. As bad as the place markets were last year (2016), so far this year they have falling off a cliff. Even allowTue, 25 Apr 2017 05:57:28 -0500@Bud is your 'Place' figure just the main 'Place' market or have you added in the extra TBP markets BF have been offering in the last year or two?https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30335201/liquidity-in-big-decline-on-betfair?post_id=551754465#551754465@Bud is your 'Place' figure just the main 'Place' market or have you added in the extra TBP markets BF have been offering in the last year or two?Tue, 25 Apr 2017 05:38:44 -0500I'd be interested to know what % of exchange bets are normal people and what % are now just bookies etc and even betfair themselves moving liabilities about from the rest of their site.https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30335201/liquidity-in-big-decline-on-betfair?post_id=551749669#551749669I'd be interested to know what % of exchange bets are normal people and what % are now just bookies etc and even betfair themselves moving liabilities about from the rest of their site.Mon, 24 Apr 2017 11:31:32 -0500I have looked at the average turnover per race over the last 11 years for UK and Irish horse races. Here are figures... Win Place IP Win IP Place 2006 474,459 74,569 104,930 7,1302007 539,316 91,140 140,781https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/30335201/liquidity-in-big-decline-on-betfair?post_id=551749101#551749101I have looked at the average turnover per race over the last 11 years for UK and Irish horse races. Here are figures... Win Place IP Win IP Place 2006 474,459 74,569 104,930 7,1302007 539,316 91,140 140,781Mon, 24 Apr 2017 10:04:03 -0500