New Posts For Thread: Are traders the biggest source of value at Betfair?https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/29502079/are-traders-the-biggest-source-of-value-at-betfairMost traders don't understand the importance of value. They think because they're trading that the two bets that will constitute their trade if they successfully complete it, don't need to be good value because they're trading rather than betting.I rsorry - slow response on the mouse clickhttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/29502079/are-traders-the-biggest-source-of-value-at-betfair?post_id=526273727#526273727sorry - slow response on the mouse clickThu, 22 Nov 2012 03:13:14 -0600Traders exaggerate some moves when they jump on board and stifle others when they green up too soon. Sometimes they stop position takers getting the value they would otherwise have from extreme moves or mistakes by being in front. Other times they ahttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/29502079/are-traders-the-biggest-source-of-value-at-betfair?post_id=526273701#526273701Traders exaggerate some moves when they jump on board and stifle others when they green up too soon. Sometimes they stop position takers getting the value they would otherwise have from extreme moves or mistakes by being in front. Other times they aThu, 22 Nov 2012 03:09:49 -0600Traders exaggerate some moves when they jump on board and stifle others when they green up too soon. Sometimes they stop position takers getting the value they would otherwise have from extreme moves or mistakes by being in front. Other times they ahttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/29502079/are-traders-the-biggest-source-of-value-at-betfair?post_id=526273699#526273699Traders exaggerate some moves when they jump on board and stifle others when they green up too soon. Sometimes they stop position takers getting the value they would otherwise have from extreme moves or mistakes by being in front. Other times they aThu, 22 Nov 2012 03:09:48 -0600Traders exaggerate some moves when they jump on board and stifle others when they green up too soon. Sometimes they stop position takers getting the value they would otherwise have from extreme moves or mistakes by being in front. Other times they ahttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/29502079/are-traders-the-biggest-source-of-value-at-betfair?post_id=526273697#526273697Traders exaggerate some moves when they jump on board and stifle others when they green up too soon. Sometimes they stop position takers getting the value they would otherwise have from extreme moves or mistakes by being in front. Other times they aThu, 22 Nov 2012 03:09:46 -0600very good WOM trade entry points generally are value positions even if you let them ride and don't trade out. But these are not that frequest and in many markets the good entry points are mixed up with many faked moves to tempt the traders. So it thttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/29502079/are-traders-the-biggest-source-of-value-at-betfair?post_id=526273575#526273575very good WOM trade entry points generally are value positions even if you let them ride and don't trade out. But these are not that frequest and in many markets the good entry points are mixed up with many faked moves to tempt the traders. So it tThu, 22 Nov 2012 02:54:18 -0600very good WOM trade entry points generally are value positions even if you let them ride and don't trade out. But these are not that frequest and in many markets the good entry points are mixed up with many faked moves to tempt the traders. So it thttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/29502079/are-traders-the-biggest-source-of-value-at-betfair?post_id=526273573#526273573very good WOM trade entry points generally are value positions even if you let them ride and don't trade out. But these are not that frequest and in many markets the good entry points are mixed up with many faked moves to tempt the traders. So it tThu, 22 Nov 2012 02:54:16 -0600Maybe it's just one of those few and far between scenarios where two wrongs make a right ?Seriously though I think the key point someone made earlier is that if you open your trading position with a perceived value wager then, if you can't trade outhttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/29502079/are-traders-the-biggest-source-of-value-at-betfair?post_id=526273275#526273275Maybe it's just one of those few and far between scenarios where two wrongs make a right ?Seriously though I think the key point someone made earlier is that if you open your trading position with a perceived value wager then, if you can't trade outThu, 22 Nov 2012 02:17:26 -0600I think that's where most traders probably fail. They get drawn in by the "it doesn't matter who wins angle" and therefore are trading the market rather than have any idea whether their back/lay was good or bad value.https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/29502079/are-traders-the-biggest-source-of-value-at-betfair?post_id=526269839#526269839I think that's where most traders probably fail. They get drawn in by the "it doesn't matter who wins angle" and therefore are trading the market rather than have any idea whether their back/lay was good or bad value.Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:39:29 -0600sort of get your point..if im laying a horse its not a random lay, im laying a horse i truly believe has little chance of winning, however my primary aim is to green up pre race, but if im not able to then i have no qualms about letting the lay go inhttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/29502079/are-traders-the-biggest-source-of-value-at-betfair?post_id=526268457#526268457sort of get your point..if im laying a horse its not a random lay, im laying a horse i truly believe has little chance of winning, however my primary aim is to green up pre race, but if im not able to then i have no qualms about letting the lay go inWed, 21 Nov 2012 17:58:10 -0600I'm not normally a trader but I've dabbled occasionally.If I'm trading I always like to make sure the first half of my trade is value according to my assessment of the race. That way if I'm not able to green up I have the option of riding out my bet,https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/29502079/are-traders-the-biggest-source-of-value-at-betfair?post_id=526268341#526268341I'm not normally a trader but I've dabbled occasionally.If I'm trading I always like to make sure the first half of my trade is value according to my assessment of the race. That way if I'm not able to green up I have the option of riding out my bet,Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:53:15 -0600