New Posts For Thread: Pushing the bots - a fun game.https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/23532162/pushing-the-bots---a-fun-gameThe bots which jump a tick in front of your offered bet or lay are so annoying. One of my favorite games with these is to put an offered bet or lay at a stupid price and see the bot jump ahead of me again, only to have the bot's bet get snapped up.Feck, the quiet times are the night before, and the morning.https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/23532162/pushing-the-bots---a-fun-game?post_id=420831870#420831870Feck, the quiet times are the night before, and the morning.Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:27:22 -0500Maybe it doesn't apply to enough people to make it worthwhile?They won't know, as people will avoid the charge by shutting down, as I do.It's just another ill-designed BF innovation.https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/23532162/pushing-the-bots---a-fun-game?post_id=420831866#420831866Maybe it doesn't apply to enough people to make it worthwhile?They won't know, as people will avoid the charge by shutting down, as I do.It's just another ill-designed BF innovation.Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:26:31 -0500Someone's got a Bot,that is BF & BD linked..you can have fun and games with that.https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/23532162/pushing-the-bots---a-fun-game?post_id=420831862#420831862Someone's got a Bot,that is BF & BD linked..you can have fun and games with that.Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:14:45 -0500I understand. cheers feck.https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/23532162/pushing-the-bots---a-fun-game?post_id=420831854#420831854I understand. cheers feck.Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:55:06 -0500Rocket, spoofing refers to putting up large offers in the hope it will shift the market in the other direction. e.g. requesting to back at 5.0 for 2K in the hope of shortening the odds.https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/23532162/pushing-the-bots---a-fun-game?post_id=420831846#420831846Rocket, spoofing refers to putting up large offers in the hope it will shift the market in the other direction. e.g. requesting to back at 5.0 for 2K in the hope of shortening the odds.Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:52:43 -0500Does it make a difference if the market's quiet? If you're sending thousands of requests for the 6.00 race at 3.00, do the requests for the 3.00 market not get lost among the 6.00 requests?https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/23532162/pushing-the-bots---a-fun-game?post_id=420831842#420831842Does it make a difference if the market's quiet? If you're sending thousands of requests for the 6.00 race at 3.00, do the requests for the 3.00 market not get lost among the 6.00 requests?Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:50:34 -0500Moonlight, I did suggest when transaction charges first came in that they were only applied at times when the system was actually under stress. It would be quite simple to implement a call that returned whether transaction charging was in force to ehttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/23532162/pushing-the-bots---a-fun-game?post_id=420831838#420831838Moonlight, I did suggest when transaction charges first came in that they were only applied at times when the system was actually under stress. It would be quite simple to implement a call that returned whether transaction charging was in force to eThu, 18 Mar 2010 11:44:58 -0500What does spoofing mean?https://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/23532162/pushing-the-bots---a-fun-game?post_id=420831830#420831830What does spoofing mean?Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:42:07 -0500As to the spoofing, as the txn charge takes no account of number of markets, people can spoof away all they like, so long as they don't do it in a large number of markets.Those who try to do legitimate activities across many markets are penalised.Dishttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/23532162/pushing-the-bots---a-fun-game?post_id=420831826#420831826As to the spoofing, as the txn charge takes no account of number of markets, people can spoof away all they like, so long as they don't do it in a large number of markets.Those who try to do legitimate activities across many markets are penalised.DisThu, 18 Mar 2010 11:39:46 -0500If you make markets at the quiet times, you have to make many price changes per matched bet. BF count each price change as a cancellation and a new bet.Of course you aren't costing them any money, as the machines have vast spare capacity at such timehttps://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/23532162/pushing-the-bots---a-fun-game?post_id=420831822#420831822If you make markets at the quiet times, you have to make many price changes per matched bet. BF count each price change as a cancellation and a new bet.Of course you aren't costing them any money, as the machines have vast spare capacity at such timeThu, 18 Mar 2010 11:29:16 -0500