*** ENGLAND V SPAIN - FINAL - JULY 14TH - EURO 2024 ***

handbrake exactly

Spain rested their entire first team in the 3rd game. Nothing to do with long seasons etc

also took big players off in other games

knowing they'll be needed later in event

shouldn't even be his decisions shearer ffs

Spanish domination doesn't translate into enough goals
Should have been 2 or 3 up from chances created in first 15 minutes of second half
Regrouped after we equalised and ended up dominating again for most of the time left

Definitely standout team of tournament

We ended up second officially, but in reality, one of about a group of 6 teams who were all about the same standard, well behind Spain

southgate carried away with 12 german bombers song, bypassing our best players with nearly 200 70 yd bombs from pickford,no goalie in epl kicks the ball 70 yds down the pitch anymore ,they lose trying to play football,southgate lost playing dinosaur football with ferrari quality players, sghate managed to make foddeen,saka,jude look like selling platers against spains kids, fabian motm by a country mile quality from start to finish

They all had weeks rest before the start. But when it comes to the latter stages it is more of an endurance event. England's player had way more minutes under their belt but the football they played was poor.

haha richards can't work it out either

never forget the corner they took that went back to the keeper

rio clueless

fair  play to morrata 7 wins, 1 goal for a striker but helps get the best out of the other forward players and no moaning,arms flailing when subbed every game

kane not played in a position that suited him that's why he's a lame duck haha

Where does he go from here?

Cannot see any Premier League Chairmen wanting him in charge.

Saudi Arabia might be a good fit.

can you believe the sh1t being trotted out

People think Southgate is leaving. He's on 5m a year and a complete chancer. The FA will give him the WC if he wants it and I'd say he does. Might even get a payrise after that.

Get someone like the City manager in charge of these players
you'll see a different team.

never forget when he put grealish on as sub
and then subbed him 25 minutes later

basic managerial error

Dream job Gareth has. Only leaves if told to do so

jack pearce keeps him in the job

City agree to let them have Pep in return for a slap on the wrist?

Southgate contract apparently runs till December?
I would have thought that it would be timed to finish after a tournament ie July

cole palmer 45 million but can't get a start in this team
grealish playing for best team in eng...unable to manage his ego
white 50 million playing for 2nd best team in eng...and there's clash of personalities there as well
funny that

multi billion pound businesses spending this money maybe pay attention

White needs to play with Saka. Doubt a top manager would be playing both Palmer and Grealish. Someone would have to miss out. England have loads of good players.

The best players don't always work best as a team in terms of balance.

start, sub or rotation options lurka not necessarily in same start line up

even man utd players must go back to their clubs and laugh at the way southgate coaches them to play,lumping balls foreward,trying to win set pieces ,play the reff,var etc,etc

England have loads of good players.
yes

Gordon should be getting way more of a look-in. He's the only wide left high player. He mightn't be the best player but because there's nobody else he should be prioritised. Prime example of what I'm talking about.

fook me southgate,pundits if your keeper is launching the ball 70 yds 200 times in a tourney,your not even tryingt to keep the ball,even luton,burnley etc get relegated trying to play/keep the ball

hang on I thought parking the bus was the plan

easiest way to get rid of it is kick it long

Gordon should be ahead of Grealish and Foden, not because he's better than them but because he's needed more than them.

Hope thats Yamals little brother !

Walker had a throw late on in the game,same position as the long throw
when Bellingham scored.Instead of another long'un,he throws it back to
Pickford more or less.So negative,unreal.

foddens got 3

Walker has a reputation based purely on pace. He is a poor defender and even worse on the ball.

trippier should be playing RB

You are never going to have the fastest dog in the race if you don't let it off the leash.

Spain Probably the Best Team in the World ,we nearly took it to Extra Time FFS

Not sure wtf is Going on with KANE

Tonight was for all the times Basil was rude to Manuel.

@xGPhilosophy
England’s last 6 goals at Euro 2024:

◎ Bellingham v Slovakia: 0.05(xG)
◎ Kane v Slovakia: 0.22(xG)
◎ Saka v Switzerland: 0.03(xG)
◎ Kane v Netherlands: Penalty
◎ Watkins v Netherlands: 0.06(xG)
◎ Palmer v Spain: 0.03(xG)

Relying on screamers, unsustainable.

@tjnnorman
My take on England after a bottle of wine

1 how has Cole Palmer not started one single game.
2 the hype over Jude Bellingham is ridiculous. Plays like he's Roy Of Rovers
3 why is Southgate reactive rather than proactive? Every ****g time
4 how has a team this blessed with talent being muzzled throughout the tournament?
5 Southgate needs to do one as this side has the potential to be one of the  best
6 Kane had has his day. Pace is required at top level. Imagine if Spain had a top striker?
7 Palmer, did I mention him, needs to have the side built around HIM

couldn't have put it better myself

I can't think of another player other than Kane playing for a major national team or any team for that matter that absolutely everyone agrees is ether injured, playing sh1te or both but where every single pundit agrees won't be dropped and won't criticize the manager for not having the balls to leave him out.

He has been undroppable with every half decent thing he has managed to come up with being used as a stick to beat his critics with, but those moments have been few and far between, ultimately he has been a millstone around the teams neck and that is down to Southgate for not having the bottle to put him out of his misery.

lucky Utd didn't pay 150m for him...

Morata is similar to Kane, but he drops into midfield more than plays as a striker. Saka is England's best attacker imo but he has no FB support. Palmer is good but he comes on against tired opposition when England need a goal and he gets support.

The Watkins and Palmer moments may have felt great at the time but they will be coming back to haunt Southgate very quickly because they will be held up as examples of what might have been.

Jul 14, 2024 -- 10:44PM, duffy wrote:

I can't think of another player other than Kane playing for a major national team or any team for that matter that absolutely everyone agrees is ether injured, playing sh1te or both but where every single pundit agrees won't be dropped and won't criticize the manager for not having the balls to leave him out.He has been undroppable with every half decent thing he has managed to come up with being used as a stick to beat his critics with, but those moments have been few and far between, ultimately he has been a millstone around the teams neck and that is down to Southgate for not having the bottle to put him out of his misery.

Ronaldo in this tournament would be one.

Jul 14, 2024 -- 10:07PM, wondersobright wrote:

@xGPhilosophyEngland created less xG at Euro 2024 (6.43) than Croatia (7.10).Croatia went out at the Group Stage.3 runs for a hcap mark

Brutal stat

brentford 14 Jul 24 22:45 
lucky Utd didn't pay 150m for him...Mischief


He was fine 12 months ago, he's injured now, we'd have been in CL now if we'd have forked it out.

I get your point though and unlike what Kane is currently capable of, it was a beautifully timed strike.

tobes,

I was only including mortal men in the list.

just messin' - and yep I think hr is a bit inhibited with his back but with Utd's current situ this has been quite a good blue print for what to expect...he's a fantastic finisher as proved this season but struggles to elevate teams especially at this time of career..

He is a good example of one of those players that when he's on it looks so good but when he falls off it to any degree looks an absolute carthorse.

sounds like southgate even coaches cole palmer to do his interviews

Since the 2002 UEFA Champions League final, Spanish teams and the Spanish national team have played in 23 major finals (Champions League, UEFA Cup, Europa League, World Cup, European Championship) against non-Spanish teams and won the trophy on all 23 occasions. Campeones.

Opta

Harry Kane had just one touch in the opposition box across the EURO 2020 and EURO 2024 finals against Italy and Spain

Opta

1. Criminal not to at least give Gordon a few mins (Even instead of Kane if not on the wing). He has been great at Newcastle and is developing into a serious player. England though the whole comp had no pace on the left to match Saka on the right. Look at Spain. Happy to give time to a 16 year old ffs and Englands best and fastest left winger doesnt get a minute. (Foden is not a winger and Eze/Bowen are decent midtable wingers (Big fishes in small ponds). Neither in Gordons class)

2. Playing Shaw. When he came on for the first time in the comp, he ran for 5mins and then calved. He genuinely look like some fat popstar running out at a charity match.

and yet didn't get done once in the first 45 and debatable he did after - kind of where your agenda always shines through a bit too much...

Shaw was great first half. Won every duel v Yamal. Lost him for the first goal tho. Needs to lay off the custard.

Lamal had him on toast all night. Another night Lamal would have had couple goals easy. He must have been chuckling wondering where England got the fat pub footballer from when he waltzed past him for the first goal. He even pulled out of the foul for the first goal

The pint throwers were pre tournament favourites after they got beat at home to Iceland. Just goes to show you how many people buy into the hype bowl that is england.

Shaw doesn't lose anyone on the first goal..

he's left with a decision to make as Spain have a 2 on 1 on his side with no defensive MF cover inside ..tries to half and half it and Spain with their high quality take advantage...

keep watching lads...you might occasionally notice something..

Will Kane continue to play International football considering the World Cup is two years away?

Correct Brentford, thought he did ok.

I must admit I follow football not so much England, believe it or not. But, will always support them when they play, regardless.

However, I did notice Shaw was a bit podgy for a footballer; I put that down to not having played for a long while. If so, why did Mr Southgate play him? Is Shaw a vital cog in the England team, or Mr Southgate specific?

Keep watching lads? If he stays goal side of Yamal the goal doesn't happen. There was no need for him to step up, the ball was with Carvajal who is not a dangerous player going forward. Bellingham and Rice were in position to get back if he stays goal side of Yamal, which he did very well the entire first half.

If he has no midfield cover inside from Rice then all the more reason to stay goal side until Rice gets back into position.

We're through, we're through
It's over, it's over, it's over

All the rainbows in the sky
Start to weep, then say goodbye
You won't be seeing rainbows anymore
Setting suns before they fall
Echo to you that's all that's all
But you'll see lonely sunsets after all

It's over, it's over, it's over
It's over

jude banging on about been shattered but not only did he play,he played out of position on the left, any of gordon,cole,bowen could have filled thaty role if they were fitter than jude,  on his form jude shouldnt have been a shoo in even if 100% fit

Jude won the trophy for falling to the ground most times when losing the ball

sorry lads was out last night, did football come home

you lot are so optimistic, you'll never win anything again, two euros the easiest route to the final and even hosted the dam thing and STILL won nothing, when it went 1-1 Southgate went 11 behind the ball instead of attacking them clown.

Kane needs someone up with him to run the channels and make space. He had
Son at Spurs, Sterling for England and Sane at BM. Bowen would have done that job. You don't become a bad player overnight and I'm sure the next England manager will play a team/system that actually creates chances for him. But like Xaar has said, England are very unlikely to get such a favourable setup as they did for the last few Tournaments.

Shaw had a good game.

Players work on getting defenders isolated, there was time
first half Williams came over to help yamal,

Bellingham helped out, covering outside when Shaw went inside.


Semi final showed there was a hole on our right flank which
Gakpo exposed, Spain worked it well.

We don't learn, surely if Southgate stays he needs
way better help with coaching, tactics, and in game analysis.

He may be a great man manager, but that's about it.

I thought sakas starting position was awful
most of the game.

Cucarella just pulled 5-10 yards off him so was always
open to relieve pressure, break our press.

He even had time to mis control and still move it on.

When he's working alongside a player as good as williams
then it's extra important to plug the supply
and we failed miserably, and it cost us.

hope england never lose 5 goals in a game,dont think i could stand watching 6 times a billion £ set up,pass it back to keeper from centre spot and pickford launch it twickenham style 80 yds down the pitch, 6 times ,3 times last night was embarrassing enough,surely someone amongst this golden generation must chirp up in training saying we,re better than this boss, if nothing else have a 50 yd shot in to their keepers hands ,instead of our keepers feet

Always thought we had a good attacking performance in the locker waiting
to come out,wishful thinking.
Still believe these players we've got have been shackled under this bloke.
In truth we were the most boring team in it.

We wasted 2 friendlies and expected players to blend
in training.

No reason a midfield of rice, Mainoo, Foden, and
Bellingham should not work, but, they need somebody
on left to balance saka.

Bellingham got his turn in the final but maybe its
not his best position.



Meanwhile...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw0y92zr77do

..

spain wernt considered a danger to ENG in this comp 5 weeks ago,germany on the up
on the last 4 weeks performances you wouldnt make ENG anymore than 5th,6,7th fav to win euros, add in south america etc and under southgate you could see 10 + teams who,d fancy beating ENG in next world cup and if we ever get on the wrong side of a world cup draw or draw within the tourney ,you must think an earlier exit is as likely as making semi or final

13/2 joints, eng and spain

Brazil, France slightly bigger, argies 9/1
Germany 11/1

Funny old world.

Rumour has it the some of the England players were not too happy with the England setup. Any truth in that?

I wouldn't have made England one of the favs based on their performances in previous tournaments. There was absolutely nothing to indicate that they would beat France, Spain or Germany this time. Ultimately, with a better squad they played even worse than in previous tournaments and should have been KO'd before the semis.

It will be the same at the WC assuming Southgate is still in charge for that.

England were amongst the fav in this 2024 Euro because of their friendly draws. I do not think England would have beaten Germany or France except possibly penalties. Same sh1t for 8 years has been painful and demoralising.

It's all academic now. Out with the old, in with the new, I see. The same sh1t for 8 years has been painful, demoralising and embarrassing. Even the Irish and Scottish have been taking the mickey out of England.

I wonder will the genius coaches in the PL realise, after seeing what most coaches did v England, ie don't press Rice with the ball as he'll likelyplay it sideways, do likewise?

Lol none of the English players apart from Pickford play anything like they do for their club. That's why looking at England's squad on paper is foolish. Look at what they do in an England shirt.

Rice plays the ball forward all the time for Arsenal and got more goals and assists last season than he ever did at West Ham, where his role was similar to his role for England.

Keep watching lads? If he stays goal side of Yamal the goal doesn't happen. There was no need for him to step up, the ball was with Carvajal who is not a dangerous player going forward. Bellingham and Rice were in position to get back if he stays goal side of Yamal, which he did very well the entire first half.

If he has no midfield cover inside from Rice then all the more reason to stay goal side until Rice gets back into position.

Guehi should have been round on the cover earlier ..he's marking nothing but 15 yards of space...when Shaw goes across any decent back 4 plays like they have string attached and compensate over..Bellingham shouldn't have allowed Carvajal to run off him so easily originally and Rice is too high leaving massive spaces for Spain to use.

Mr Southgate: "Some of his players were a little short of their physical peak during the month-long tournament". 

But, Newcastle defender Trippier, who started six of the seven games, said that was not an excuse. Trippier said: "The team that we've got is fit. If you see the running stats, I think we're probably the highest in the whole tournament. So that's not an excuse."   

A categorical rebut of Mr Southgate! Is Mr Southgate playing the blame game for his own inadequacies as a football manager at International level? Yet, Mr Southgate played Shaw who'd not had a game for several months.

southgate,s no fool no,s how to play the system had gibbo over a barrel at boro ,got more £ as boro manager than as a player at a time when experienced  managers wernt raking it in ,in comparison to the players,
so at £5million a yr and he stays for another 4 yrs we,re never likely to no if a different manager could have got more out of these players, THINK HE STAYS

Spain had 4 attackers forward and England had 4 defenders back, yet Spain had an overload at the far post. Shaw was goal side of the danger man Yamal, who wants to come inside all the time, the entire first half and won every duel.

If Shaw is goal side, they don't have the overload at the back post. If Guehi comes across they still do. Yamal is Shaw's man, Carvajal, who wasn't in a dangerous position and isn't a threat, is not and Bellingham is close enough to cover him. Shaw should have also taken Yamal down and taken a booking once Yamal turned inside Guehi. He had the chance and failed to spot the danger twice.

southghate GONE
that post didnt last long

Fair play to him. It was the right decision but I think he can walk away with his head held high. He did a great job.

We do need fresh leadership and the ruffling of some feathers. Nobody should be an automatic pick and it will need a big ego to find the correct fusion of many wonderful mainly young players.

People seem to forget Tournament Football is not an exact science. It is not his fault other teams messed up and the draw opened up for Engerland.

We might have an even better team next time with all our ducks in a row and get knocked out by a France, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Brazil, Argentina, Columbia, Uruguay or even………… an Iceland in the last 16 in Amrika.

We do have some very good players. I doubt Klopp will want it and I don’t know who else is good enough or available.

I am a big supporter of the idea that the U19 coach should transition into the job like Southgate. He will have seen the young talent available first hand and they would have confidence in him. Allegedly the FA have a succession plan. I am not averse to Lee Carsley taking over.

Fair play to him. It was the right decision but I think he can walk away with his head held high. He did a great job.

We do need fresh leadership and the ruffling of some feathers. Nobody should be an automatic pick and it will need a big ego to find the correct fusion of many wonderful mainly young players.

People seem to forget Tournament Football is not an exact science. It is not his fault other teams messed up and the draw opened up for Engerland.

We might have an even better team next time with all our ducks in a row and get knocked out by a France, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Brazil, Argentina, Columbia, Uruguay or even………… an Iceland in the last 16 in Amrika.

We do have some very good players. I doubt Klopp will want it and I don’t know who else is good enough or available.

I am a big supporter of the idea that the U19 coach should transition into the job like Southgate. He will have seen the young talent available first hand and they would have confidence in him. Allegedly the FA have a succession plan. I am not averse to Lee Carsley taking over.

jude not happy with southgate and his coaching staff,deluded to think the ego,s in this side will listen to LEE CARSLEY

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13636977/Jude-Bellingham-
Gareth-Southgate-argument-euro-2024.html

They are bound to want to play in their best position.

Why stick a central midfield box crasher on left wing if you have Grealish and Gordon?


New manager has same problem with Foden and bellingham
so solving that should be central plank of interview
process.

Foden Bellingham

Gerrard / Lampard / Scholes

I want both but not at the cost of balance.

Not sure how to solve this. Gordon deserves a chance too!

Well Gordon, or Grealish, on left, instantly restores balance.

Spain two goals from left wing, whilst also having
a right winger on pitch.

Almost schoolboy level coaching stuff....

I was also seriously concerned how little ball we got Saka. Needs to be sorted by the new man...... or woman!

Well if you narrow the pitch you make it easier for them to defend against you.