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comingupthehill
21 Apr 24 17:41
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There’s been loads of crazy pixel,onfield etc 50/50 decisions.but on the whole you can see the logic.

The ball to hand penalty is the hardest one to decide on.

But the Coventry penalty makes var pointless.

1. The player had his arm down by his side.
2.he then attempted to move his arm behind his back.
3.there his no more he can do,it’s 100% no penalty.

How Var didn’t overturn this makes var pointless.i get,side with the onfield decision.
But where can he put his arm.

I think it’s the worst ever decision I’ve seen.

Not only should everyone in the var bus be sacked,but the lorry driver of the bus should be sacked ,for parking the var bus.

This is why var came in,cos Ireland took fifa to court when Henry hand balled it to qualify for World Cup,costing  fifa 3million.

Even the commentator sort of felt wasn’t a pen,the var refs are that scared. They tend to do what Gary Neville tells them,the bus shouldn’t have commentary in it

May aswell end var,it’s pointless now.

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By:
s.kenbo
When: 21 Apr 24 17:46
It was far better when the referee had the only say. They did a pretty good job too in hindsight.
By:
themightymac
When: 21 Apr 24 17:52
VAR RUINED THE GAME

THAT WAS NEVER A PENALTY BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT

HAVE SAID SINCE THE START

FOOTBALL WAS INSTSNTANEOUS BUT NOT NOW
By:
paulypaul
When: 21 Apr 24 17:59
If that was a pen then Chelsea should have had one yesterday.
By:
GoBallistic
When: 21 Apr 24 18:06
Dunno about pointless. It's the perfect tool for fixing football games
By:
comingupthehill
When: 21 Apr 24 18:11
Kenbo,but ref got it wrong,fair enough,no excuse for var.
By:
Winja
When: 21 Apr 24 18:12
var ruined history there....
By:
comingupthehill
When: 21 Apr 24 18:14
Ball to hand is tricky. But down by side and no attempt to move towards is ok.wan bissacka,tried to move his arm behind his back,he couldn’t do any more.

I just don’t see how any ref cannot see this,accept onfield can’t see,miss reads it,but var ref has no excuses.
By:
themightymac
When: 21 Apr 24 18:15
WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS DRAWING LINES ACROSS A COMPUTER SCREEN TO DISALLOW A DECENT GOAL BECAUSE HIS BIG TOENAIL WAS IN AN OFFSIDE POSITION.
By:
s.kenbo
When: 21 Apr 24 18:16
The only thing VAR can conclusively get right is offside. Almost every other decision is down to personal interpretation. One man may give something that another man wouldn’t.
By:
comingupthehill
When: 21 Apr 24 18:16
Agree.
If level on.

Should be torso,not ankles,toes,shoulders.

Like the 100 metres final,chest,torso should be where the line drawn.
By:
comingupthehill
When: 21 Apr 24 18:18
Kenbo,your wrong,
A foul,or handball,is a decision,
But where is a player meant to put arm,it’s sort of agreed,down by side is ok,no pen.
By:
s.kenbo
When: 21 Apr 24 18:22
What part of my post is wrong?
By:
themightymac
When: 21 Apr 24 18:25
Kenbo 100% correct.
By:
Jinxy1
When: 21 Apr 24 18:29
It wasnt offside, simples, how much do Manure pay these VAR officials?
By:
s.kenbo
When: 21 Apr 24 18:32
Jinxy talking rubbish as usual! VAR went against Utd for the penalty. The offside (which was offside) was the correct decision. It’s just one most of us didn’t want to see overturned.
By:
Storm Alert
When: 21 Apr 24 18:32
VAR ruined a potential great result that would have been talked about for years...
By:
everyone's a winner
When: 21 Apr 24 18:33
correct. It wasn't applied inconsistently there.
By:
Jinxy1
When: 21 Apr 24 18:37
kenbo, given that you post of the forum far more frequently than I, then it is you who is talking 'rubbish as usual'
By:
roggrain
When: 21 Apr 24 18:39
At what point does VAR stop the video and draw the line?

Is when the passer's foot first makes contact with the ball or is it when the ball

starts forward or is it when it leaves the passer's foot?

In any event here is how VAR should be used: The video should be reviewed at normal

speed only. No slow motion. Slow motion shows events completely out of context.

If  there is not a clear and obvious error the Referee's decision should stand.

There was a clear and obvious error regarding the penalty as,viewed at normal speed it

would have been impossible for the defender to get his arm out of the way

Regarding the offside there is no way VAR could have over ruled the goal as there was

not a clear and obvious error.
By:
duffy
When: 21 Apr 24 18:45
The moment the ball leaves the passers foot is pure guesswork, but they pick a point and then regard it as fact, the whole process that is ultimately purported t be fact is based on pure guesswork, it's utter nonsense.

What infuriates me most is when we hear, "It's not going anywhere so we'll have to get used to it", revolution ffs, everyone down tools and refuse to play...revolution ffs.
By:
comingupthehill
When: 21 Apr 24 18:45
Kenbo,yes offside is 100% var correct.

But var can also spot,wether a player fouled another,no contact etc,plus handball,no contact or.

So it can overturn refs decision,based on facts,not 1 man’s view.

That was the problem with the pen,it was clearly a wrong decision,not an opinion.

Clear and obvious.the handball rule is outside a players normal silohet position,wan bassacka was ok
By:
hulk23
When: 21 Apr 24 18:49
forest trying to start the anti-VAR revolution on X (formerly Twitter)

.... see how far that gets them
By:
comingupthehill
When: 21 Apr 24 18:49
On the pixel offsides,which are ruining games and good goals.

Years ago they changed the rule,if level then onside.

A linesman,looks down the line and sees 2 bodyies,he dosent look for ankles etc.

It should be torso in front of torso,with clear daylight between torsos,ankles,knees and shoulders should come into it.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 21 Apr 24 19:06
time to scrap VAR, ruined football
By:
lurka
When: 21 Apr 24 19:06
It's not fact based. There is a margin for error built in which means the attacker has to off by a margin at the point the ball is deemed to have been played. This wasn't the case when VAR was first introduced. Looked clear offside to me on the screen.
By:
hulk23
When: 21 Apr 24 19:15
Looked clear offside to me on the screen.

it did. looked a lot closer when they drew the lines ...
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 21 Apr 24 19:37
I could take VAR if every offside decision made was with one deciding factor, which for me should see any benefit of the doubt given to the attacking player.  As for hand balls so many look very dubious indeed.
From my viewpoint it has ruined the game but I don;t attend now and it doesn;t seem to have affected attendances so clearly the cash-paying fan isn;t too unsupportive of it.
It has done nothing whatsover to reduce the amount of doubt about decisions and has single-handedly reduced the authority of referees on the pitch.
It should be removed, at least for one season, to see how much we need it.  If at all.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 21 Apr 24 19:43
They drew line in wrong place for me.

He is more offside.


Line is too parallel to cut line nearest halfway line.

Perspective of camera makes near side twice as big as far side of pitch
so line needs to be closer to middle of cut lines...
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 21 Apr 24 19:48
Next season they have semi automated offside which draws much
better lines, hopefully that will explain its
decisions far better.

But it still only uses 1/50th of a second frames.

If you are travelling at 9 metres a second one way and
defender is going 9 metres a second other way
it gives you 18 metres a second gap, or 1800 centermetres per second
so divide by 50 and you need a tolerance of 1800/50 or nearly 4cm
possible between frames...
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 22 Apr 24 08:11
I thought they had sensors in the ball which told them when the ball was kicked.

UEFA have been using automated offside lines in the CL and apart from being quicker than the PL manual lines system must give a better degree of consistency which is all fans and clubs want
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 22 Apr 24 11:26
Some balls have sensors, others do not.

FIFA ball has sensors.
By:
1st time poster
When: 22 Apr 24 11:37
without VAR the forrest 3 pens , covs pen,and citys pen,would have all stood with reffs onfield decision,so if your unhappy with any of those decisions ,your a fan of ,want VAR
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 22 Apr 24 11:43
A functioning var, with commentary, please
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 22 Apr 24 12:01
If AI can safely drive a car around LA day and night it could easily referee a game of football
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 22 Apr 24 15:16
Do you think the women;s balls have sensors?
Is it acceptable to ask such a question?
Might I be cancelled for asking it in public?
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 22 Apr 24 15:17
On a similar vein would it be right to ask if women footballers have a preference for A.I.?
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 22 Apr 24 15:24
With regards to all this absolute bowlucks about the legitimacy of a rival football club supporter being responsible for VAR decisions which might favour his club do you think a footballer who plays for Arsenal, but supports Liverpool, should be allowed to try to score but miss a penalty against them?
A footballer must be is such a ( or similar ) situation, somewhere, every match day.
Anyone?  Lurka?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 22 Apr 24 15:43
I'm sure players have fixed games, and try harder
against some teams than others.

There will be players now who are playing elsewhere next season
and their performance may affect which competitions
they are in with their new clubs.

That's a club decision though, to play or not play player
who may have a bias.

Officials are appointed to the games, and you'd expect
they would be fair in who they appoint.
By:
lurka
When: 22 Apr 24 19:39
A footballer is not supposed to be impartial like a ref is and can't be replaced as easily as a ref can. If the club wants to let him take the penalty, that's up to the club. But if they don't they might still select him to play and put someone else on pens.

It should be policy, for PGMOL's own sake, to not allow it to happen. They get enough stick already and are always going on about the lack of refs up and down the country because of the stick they have to take. Even the hint of a potential conflict of interest should be avoided where possible. It's not a good look for refs.

But I already said above that Forest should be more irate with the ref than the VAR as he made the decisions and the VAR may not have been able to intervene in all of them. The VAR is not asked whether it was a pen or not, he is asked something different. The statement they came out with looks more ridiculous than the decisions that went against them.
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