playing it out from the back

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A grossly over-rated tactic when goalkeepers are involved.  Often quite ridiculous.

Muggy when you do it with clunkers like Pickford. But as they showed in Arsenal v Villa analysis, it is instrumental in beating a proper high press by a well coached top side.

Makes me laugh these days when three players line up to take a goal kick.

When Leicester won the title only one club had less possession that season in the Premier League. They won it by ten points and by simply getting the ball forward quickly and yet almost everyone chooses to ignore the evidence of that comfortable success.

City,only going for their 4TH title on the spin playing
that way.

They didn't win it by simply getting the ball forward. They won it because all the other top 6 sides had a below par season, even Arsenal who finished second had 71 points, which would normally only get you 4th or 5th place in a season where the top sides generally would beat them and they wouldn't beat the champions twice.

Since then we have Pep and Klopp and a host of copycat managers who play high press, which has resulted in record goals and points totals and even a rule change on kick-outs to allow teams to avoid being suffocated in their own half.

Leicester's win was a freak, not some tactical genius game plan.

Always think the next 'genius' coach will simply revert to having two beanploes up front and getting it up to them quickly. Most centre halves at the big clubs are actually average defenders these days. While it's seen by most as being great entertainment to see 3-3 draws etc in the big games, defending is quietly getting replaced by defenders who should be midfielders.

A freak is a novel excuse for a team to win the title by ten points. Ridiculous assertion.

They were 5,000/1

They won it because all season they were consistently the best team in the country.

lurka 16 Apr 24 09:59 
They were 5,000/1





So what?

Nobody is claiming they weren't the best team but 5,000/1 is a freak. The stars aligned for them and fair play to them. A 5,000/1 shot didn't just win the league, they won it by 10 points, losing to the second placed team twice. What would the odds on that have been? A lot more of a freak.

The stars aligning is much more of a factor than the way they played.

The reason teams play it ,is to make other teams get tired chasing after the ball,and then in the last 20 minutes of a game the team who do the passing out from the back are much fitter and have more energy.
It happens every week with TEN HAG and his horse shoe system,Man UNITED teams get knackered every week with 20 minutes to go in a game because they chase the ball like school children.And then Ten Hag says the team is not fit enough.
but the TEN HAG foolishness is a good example of how the passing out from the back works.
Watch Man United play,their players are running round the pitch like blue arsed flies and then get knackered.

Nobody is claiming they weren't the best team but 5,000/1 is a freak. The stars aligned for them and fair play to them. A 5,000/1 shot didn't just win the league, they won it by 10 points, losing to the second placed team twice. What would the odds on that have been? A lot more of a freak


You can backfit anything, like last weeks results in premier
league and calculate odds and say it's a freak.

It doesn't work that way!

Don't forget the number of penalties Leicester were awarded
that season too, all adds to stars alignment of freaky season.

Leicester City finished BIGMART."mart had £100 on Leicester @ 5000/1 to win the league.But when SKY TV tried tracking down BIGMART to interview him about his win ,Mart had to go into hiding.
Last i heard he is living in his mansion in BONDI BEACH.

The play it out from the back merchants never talk about the goals conceded every week by losing the ball in their own half. Goalkeepers put under ridiculous pressure from having to pass the ball a few yards to the nearest man and then receiving it back again to give to another. Incredibly boring to watch at times with this sideways backwards play needing about 8 passes sometimes to reach the halfway line.

Teams play a high press because teams playing out from
back cough it up so often.

All well and good 8 passes to halfway line but
how many times do they string together those 8 passes
when under pressure.

Of course once you've pressed and force them to
kick it long you need to remember to defend...

Someone with the long passing skills of Hoddle would soon put a stop to a great deal of this sort of play.

I remember Roy Keane in his first book saying  the vast majority of managers in England are loudmouths, bullies & bullsh!tters.
They know nothing and it shows on the field.

Wasnt so long ago that the likes of Pulis & Allardyce were held up as the ideal standard.
The received wisdom was the defence needed organising first and the forwards would thrive on quick service and set pieces.
Guys like Jose and Rafa were just seen as a more refined continental version.

Now here comes Pep and he's done what he did in Germany. Almost everyone now plays a high line and plays out the back.
Pep is the Pied Piper. He toots his flute and all the rats come following.

Clearly the answer lies in a mixture of both defensive tactics and Guardiola-ball.
You dominate the teams you are supposed to beat and if you go away to Man City then you are defence first and hit them on the break.
Its interesting that the teams in Spain who ignored the Guardiola revolution, ie the Madrid clubs have been quite successful with this approach. Real won their last Champions League against Klopp and his gegen-press with less than 50% ball and I also remember Bale, Ronnie and Benzema destroying Pep's Bayern 4-0 in the Allianz with 30% ball.

As for Leicester, from what i remember of their title season they used to start their games like a house on fire, usually go a goal up & then they would sit back and destroy their opponents on the counter with Vardy, Mahrez and Okazaki. When that works the argument over possession stats becomes almost irrelevant.

Systems are great if you have a happy family in the dressing room,but if a team is not a happy family in the dressing room its a big problem.Half the family will play a system knowing it will not work.
if you read the stories about some successful  league winners,some say they drank themselves to title success,but they had great times,great fun,and every last one of them felt they were part of the happy family.ITS SO IMPORTANT.

playing it out from the back was they key to Villa's win at Arsenal

Leicester had the least injuries that season and City Utd and Liverpool were the the three teams with the most.  They had 3 players at their peak and of top quality in Kante Mahrez and Vardy, and the fast breaks played to Vardy's and Mahrez's strengths.

I thought Villa would really struggle without either of their two holding players against Arsenal.  Tielemanns and McGinn did a fine job.  Maybe that's a pointer to Southgate to play Cole Palmer Bellingham and Foden in the same team

Leicester also had to big center halves, wrestling players down every week and getting away with it.

Leicester won it easily by 10 points but had they played it out from the back they would never have got near in my view.

I agree, but I'd also say if Man City played like Leicester, they wouldn't get near either.

Apr 16, 2024 -- 9:37AM, MJK wrote:

Always think the next 'genius' coach will simply revert to having two beanploes up front and getting it up to them quickly. Most centre halves at the big clubs are actually average defenders these days. While it's seen by most as being great entertainment to see 3-3 draws etc in the big games, defending is quietly getting replaced by defenders who should be midfielders.

Loads more goals again tonight's two q/fs. Chiellini, Maldini etc shaking their heads..

Apr 16, 2024 -- 11:38AM, sparrow wrote:

The play it out from the back merchants never talk about the goals conceded every week by losing the ball in their own half. Goalkeepers put under ridiculous pressure from having to pass the ball a few yards to the nearest man and then receiving it back again to give to another. Incredibly boring to watch at times with this sideways backwards play needing about 8 passes sometimes to reach the halfway line.

The most boring way of playing football has long been banished thankfully.

That was allowing goalkeepers to pick up backpasses.

Years of watching teams like Liverpool and others going 1-0 up and then spending the rest of the game with Clemence rolling it to Smith who rolls it to Hughes who rolls it back to Smith who rolls it to Thompson who rolls it to Lindsay who rolls it to Hughes who rolls it to Smith who rolls it to Clemence who picks it up and then eventually rolls it to Lindsay ad nauseum...

I like watching goalies making t1ts of themselves...

Sry, but I simply have to laugh at this drivel.  It is absolute bowlucks and no mistake.

"it is instrumental in beating a proper high press by a well coached top side".

ffs.  I've just read on and there's even more.

"The stars aligning"!               

Have you ever read such utter drivel.