ARTETA THE NEW MASTER IN FAILURE

Nothing wrong with with silver

Arsenal setting records every season nowadays. Still,  16 PL managers failing more than Arteta this season.

BULLET TOOTH TONY 14 Apr 24 22:15 
First manager to be top at Christmas for back to back seasons and fail in delivering the championship........

Looks like they finally found the correct successor to Arsene Wenger the previous master in failure!!




In total, Wenger won 17 trophies during his time with the Gunners - three Premier Leagues, seven FA Cups and seven Community Shields.

BTT.........maybe your a tad early, you should have waited until Harry puts them out Wednesday night.

strange definition of failure - made arsenal title competitors again after years underachieving and later stages of the CL whilst working within the financial constraints imposed on him

they have not lost it yet

They should bring in Mourinho for the title run in. Just like baseball they bring in a specialist pitcher to win the game.

bit harsh that... i think he done a good job at arsenal and turned them into title contenders which they werent before he took over

Apr 15, 2024 -- 12:14PM, rothko wrote:

strange definition of failure - made arsenal title competitors again after years underachieving and later stages of the CL whilst working within the financial constraints imposed on him

Financial constraints?  He's spent close to 800m quid over the last few seasons.

more like about £530m. Nothing wrong with spending within your means and backing a manager who gets it right. The value of the squad has gone way up under him.

Arteta has had a lot to spend, apart from his first summer window. A lot of that is because he got a huge amount of wasted wages off the books in the likes of Ozil, Auba, Pepe although he was the one who gave Auba the huge wages and then played him in a role that didn't suit him. He also got CL money back in the door and will again next season. I wouldn't call that financial constraints. He will likely have less to spend this summer even with CL money, unless he sells a few players, prob homegrown players like ESR and Nketiah.

The robots are still piling the money on the Mighty Gunners

The desperate wannabes up the Road would love him as there manager, but they don't have class like
The Arsenal

And out on limp in champions league….. the failures continue to mount up for Arteta

very risk averse tonight. Tippy tappying it around midfield in the last few mins and not playing it into the box, not throwing big men up top and launching it when Bayern had 11 men behind the ball.

All complete novices at this level and it showed. Still learning his trade.

Out on a limp....

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19 Managers are failures every season in the Prem and 31 Managers are failures in the CH Lge every season.

tbh, op must be on a wind up, or totally clueless. Doesn't even realise Arteta is managing in the Premiership team not the Championship.

Raya is not as good Ramsdale. Cost them at least 9 points with his dumb positioning vs Newcastle away, West sham Away and Villa away. Last night too…no idea what was going through his mind when he flicked the ball back.

Left back has been a disaster whole season. Zinchenko too focused on Ukrainian politics.

Forward line not good enough…3rd season in a row Saka has gone missing at the business end and Hazertz is no striker.

We sold the best keeper in the world to Villa, The best left back we have is on loan, and Whoever sanctioned the Havertz deal should be asked to show there bank accounts for transparency, as there must have been a brown envelope. Other than that, we're progressing.

Come Sunday night. Micky will have earned his crown as the new master

Expect the Gonners fans will be fire working the Everton hotel
AGAIN
Have they got the goalies phone number
YET?

Went to the wrong hotel,think coonts...

If Arteta has failed, what about the wannabes ?.
They would love to have had the success that The Arsenal have had,
But only in there dreams. First of all, they don't have the class of
The Arsenal

done a great job competiting wth the oil riggers until the very last day

well done great season for the gooners

Different class to the bin dippers

be champions when the oil riggers get everything taken off them due to their finanacial transgressions

May 16, 2024 -- 7:50PM, The Dragon wrote:

be champions when the oil riggers get everything taken off them due to their finanacial transgressions

That will open a massive can of worms as well Dragon, all those teams that were kept out of Europe because of FFP will want to sue City,
And those who were knocked out of European competitions will have there lawyers knocking on the door of the Oil Riggers.
Thats why The FA is wanting to bury its head in the sand because they don't know what sanctions to give them.
The FA as well as City deep down are 5hitting themselves.

oil  will be revealed shortly dambuster

i assume Bullett tooth is a spurs fan as any indepebnendent observer can see that Arteta has done a great job at Arsenal.
Turning into a top mamager

be intersesting to see how they go next year.

they have a lot of young quality players so i think they can only improve

Arteta's idea of an attacking formation, is to use just 2 holding midfielders.

They should bring in Mourinho for the title run in. Just like baseball they bring in a specialist pitcher to win the game.

In total, Wenger won 17 trophies during his time with the Gunners - three Premier Leagues, seven FA Cups and seven Community Shields.


So 10 trophies then. If Arteta eventually learns to put together a squad that can get 90 points just once.......he'd still prob finish 3rd.

What was the question Arteta refused  to answer when trying to make his escape on Sky?

[b]The Dragon[/b]              17 May 24

i assume Bullett tooth is a spurs fan as any indepebnendent observer can see that Arteta has done a great job at Arsenal.
Turning into a top mamager

be intersesting to see how they go next year.

they have a lot of young quality players so i think they can only improve,



TD, 9 months later do you still have the same opinion?

Mar 9, 2025 -- 9:23PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:

What was the question Arteta refused

Essentially, "Is that the title challenge over?"

Fact is Arteta has delivered UCL football 3 seasons in a row.
There is no way the Ersenal are getting rid.
And any Gooner who thinks they should get rid is deluded. But then again...

Marco Silva sounds like an Arsenal manager

I am not an Arteta fan but I don't think he has taken Arsenal as far as Alan Curbishly took Charlton

I don't think he is too far away. How long have Arsenal needed a center back, center midfielder and a center forward? 2 out of 3 is still not enough.

Very frustrating but we need to wait and see what turns up this summer. I am hoping Nico Williams is one although with the emergence of Nwaneri every resource needs to be used on the missing link.

I do not like the style of Arsenal atm, I thought the crab shuffle went out with Tango Wilkins.

i still think hes doing a decent job SNC

will prob end up second and having a decent run in champions league

Zubumendi coming in the summer. Nico Willaims is coveted but who knows if he wants to.

Jorghino, Zinchenko, Tierney and possibly Partey ( 200k a week ) on the way out.

I guess we don't have a scooby who is coming in at no 9!........ if at all!

Arsenal are just in a lull. Odegaard is not playing well but the team do not look like winners, have little zip on the ball and are not running off the ball. Very sad as they have the ability. Sterile dominance of the ball is ugly and pyrrhic

shd have taken rashford

Yeah I didn't get that or Osimen on loan if a deal could have been agreed. Both would have had incentive to do well to secure a deal for next employer.

I really don't get it and this Sesko kid does seem to want to come to London.

How many left backs do Arsenal have now? Although I like the Italian. He has that winner mentality.

I also thought Rashford would have been a good fit at Arsenal. Maybe they will try and buy him for nix!

no brainer for me  despite what has happened rashford is a top striker who has lost his way due to poor mamagement at united.

arteta shd go and get him

Rashford won't play anywhere but the left wing.

Arsenal don't need any of the mentioned players. They had top class goalscorers like Aubameyeng and were going nowhere.

They don't need a centre back, they have the best defence in the league.

They just need better luck with injuries. Saka is their best player and will end up having missed half the season. There is no cover for players that good.

Odegaard missed 8 or 9. Havertz was doing well and he's out too.

If you swapped the injury luck of Liverpool and Arsenal then Arsenal would be 12pts clear. Arsenal are at least as good when everyone is fit.

I guess Liverpool fans will argue their medical department is just that much better.

i think u need to lay off the wacky baccy tobs.

they have conceded 3 goals less than liverpool but have only won 15 out of 28 games in the prem. that is not a way to be be prem champions for sure.

by contrast liverpool have won 21 out of 29 and only lost 1.

its about winning matches not having the best defence.

arsenal are currently not winners and the stats prove that.you dont win leagues drawing 10 out of 28 games. they are simply not good enough.

and injuries is no excuse.if the squad is not deep enough to cover injuries then u will not win the prem

Mo salah has scored 27 premier league goals and 17 assists, arsenal haven’t got that fire power in the team and with the injuries, literally had no chance this season

Mar 10, 2025 -- 7:50PM, The Dragon wrote:

and injuries is no excuse.if the squad is not deep enough to cover injuries then u will not win the prem

Liverpool don't have cover either, they just didn't have injuries. If Salah missed as many games as Saka they would be 12-15 pts worse off.

If Salah missed as many games as Saka they would be 12-15 pts worse off.

Said with absolute certainty. Whatever the reasons if arsenal don't win it is because they aren't good enough to win - how many times have Liverpool looked beaten this year but not been - how many times have Arsenal just looked beaten?  See you next year for more of the same for you lot anyway.

Lads let's face facts, you ain't going to win sh!t without a top class striker.

it's nob heads like spyker why people don't like Liverpool and want them to lose.

I actually don't, would rather they won the league than City, United, Chelsea etc, but the entitlement attitude and arrogance at times is notable.

You'd have to be pretty thick not to recognise that Liverpool have stayed injury free to their best players this season by and large, where as Arsenal have not and therefore you have the big points gap, Liverpool have had no pressure as City had collapsed and we've had injuries, Chelsea and United re-building so it's been an easy ride for Slot who took over an oven ready side. It doesn't matter if Salah had 27, 37, 47 goals, it's the points that matter, Arsenal would easily have matched that this season if they could keep everyone fit. You saw at the Emirates earlier in the season Arsenal drew 2-2 with Liverpool that we were the better side.

Same thing couple of years ago, Saliba got injured around Jan and replaced by Holding, who was terrible and results matched up.

Arteta made a mistake with Aubameyang, he re-signed him up but then inexplicably played his out wide or at least to the left of the main striker, Lack of Threat (Lacazette), 2nd biggest mistake was not only taking Auba away from his best position but thinking he was the personality and mentality type to 'take one for the team', and get his head down playing somewhere he doesn't want to play. Never going to work. He seems to subscribe to the false 9 way of playing rather than an out and out striker who scores but does little else, wants everyone working in midfield which is why Havertz was his type of signing.

He lost 2 titles finishing runner up to City who were cooking the books, and has had bad luck this season with his best players unfit so he deserves 1 more season as manager at least. He's not as far away as it looks. He wont be sacked whilst we're still qualifying for the CL, the only reason why Wenger was, in effect, was because we'd started to slip out of the CL and fans started to come to the Emirates dressed as red seats, they only will take action when their pocket is felt. Modern owners.

Deserves another year anyway.

Kind Regards.

Arsenal have had more injuries than Liverpool, but I don't think it's a simple black and white thing. Liverpool have had a good few - eg Allison was out from October to mid-December, Konate and Gomez have missed a good few games, as have Trent and Bradley between them. Elliott missed a lot and then of course you have Jota who we've been begging to stay fit while Nunez does his madman shiz. A fit Jota would have added six points to our total imo.

I'd say there's two key differences.

Liverpool have managed to keep fit most of their key players. VVD, Salah and the midfield of Grav-Mac-Szob have been near 100% available so far. You could argue that Arsenal have had Raya, Saliba & Gabriel and Rice also available throughout but they've probably had one or two more key men out at times.

The second thing is the back ups. Liverpool have a deeper squad this year. The likes of Kelleher, Bradley, Endo, Jones, and the various attacking options have meant that rotation has been easier as well as covering for injuries. When Odegaard and Saka were out there wasn't really anyone to step up, though the kid should maybe have been tried earlier in the season as he looks good enough. But there seems to be a bigger drop off from first teamer to back up at Arsenal than at Liverpool this year.



One final point, the difference in goals scored isn't only down to injuries. Before Saka got injured Liverpool had scored seventeen more goals. Arsenal have simply dried up this season and found it more difficult to break through. They seem to have reverted to a pass it round the box game with no penetration and would be struggling to make the top four if it weren't for the goals scored from set pieces. Getting more attacking variation in is Arteta's biggest challenge in the summer if he wants to turn them into winners. If he has another summer where he thinks Raheem Sterling is the solution to scoring more goals then it's probably time for someone else.

Liverpool are a far better counterattacking side too.

Its nobs like you mes that have ruined this forum. Please carry on convincing yourself that the only reason(s) you haven't won the prem this year is this injury....if only that happened..... why did the ref do that........if only we didn't keep in getting the same injuries to people that run a bit.....

Liverpool didn't win  the league for years cos they weren't good enough -  it really isn't hard to say old girl. Arsenal haven't been, are not, and from what i see won't be good enough for a while and it will always be 'next year'. That's not to say they couldn't have a year like Liverpools this year WHEN     THEY    WIN   SLOTS     OF    GAMES    THEY    SHOULD     LOSE    AND   NOT    VICE - VERSA. But that requires a change in the persecution mentality that's always bizarrely infected Arsenal and is worse under Arteta.

Good luck and let's have the same convo in 5 years.

lovely, now bite again you thick ****

And type some more in caps to let me know you are REALLY cross

You're too stupid to understand the simplicity of injuries being fundamental in a title race, Saka and Odegaard our two best players, out for a period of time, take Salah and Van Dijk and you're no where near top.


Kind Regards.

Me Bite? I think you'll find selective use of caps is how it's done old girl - it EMPHASISES what needs to be emphasised to those born slow.

So its Salah and Van D now?

If its so bleeding obvious why did no one at the club think to buy any of the strikers being hawked around in Jan? Maybe cos they know it wouldn't make a difference?

Are you comparing Saka's influence to that of Salah as he must have improved no end since being injured, I can't wait to see the new and (much) improved version?

I like Odegaurd and think he is a big loss but get this - squads win championships and yours aint pretty enough whatever shade lipstick you put on the pig.

I do hope that helps - i'm now off to watch the outsiders I've backed that have been backed romp home at Cheltenham, Grander Dame and Rock My way.

Good luck for the next 5 years.

Still to dense to understand the important of two vital players to the team

I'll spell it out for you

These are all but 3 of the games this season we've dropped points in the league

Bournemouth 0-2 - lost Saka and Odegaard
Newcastle 0-2  - lost Odegaard
0-1 West Ham - lost Saka, Martinelli, Havertz, Jesus
2-2 Man City - lost Odegaard
2-2 Liverpool - lost Saliba, Odegaard
1-1 Fulham - lost Gabriel
1-1 Brighton - lost Saka
2-2 Villa -lost Saka, Jesus
0-0 Forest - lost Saka, Martinelli, Havertz, Jesus
1-1 Man United - Lost Saka, Havertz, Jesus

Take your two best players out, your best back up sub in Jesus and Havertz a first choice player, and you're going to struggle.

This is why Arteta deserves another year, another chance.


Kind Regards.

Your regular reminder that only Arsenal have had injuries, and Allison, Jota, Konate and Gomez have been ever present.

Kelleher is a top keeper and Alison wasn't much missed at the back
Gomez is not a first choice player so is an irrelevance to the point I'm making.

I'm talking about pivotal players missing, literally the best two players we have, Saka and Odegaard, missing in too many games where we dropped points. If Liverpool lost their two best players, mostly Salah, they'd have suffered big time too.

Kind Regards.

Your first line is the reason Arsenal are so far behind.


It's not the quality of the players missing, it's the quality of the players replacing them. Arteta thought your attack only had a Sterling-shaped hole. He was badly wrong. If he makes the same mistake this summer Arsenal will drift even further behind. A top manager would have been thinking about what would happen if one of those top players would be out and it wouldn't have involved Raheem.

Your regular reminder that only Arsenal have had injuries, and Allison, Jota, Konate and Gomez have been ever present.

Your logic seems to be that all first team starters are of equal value, and equally replaceable if you have a decent squad. They are not. Salah is the best player in the league, Saka is top 5 or 6. You can't replace them with anyone comparable, because a player good enough to do the same job is not sitting on anyone's bench. We haven't even  bothered mentioning Ben White on this thread, an automatic starter for Arsenal who has been out for 4 months. Jota/Gomez/Konate are Ben White level.

I understand that and I never once said that Arsenal haven't had injuries. Salah's a bit of a one off and the main reason why Chiesa will probably be sold. Mo never wants to miss a single minute so the other right winger can't get a look in.

But the point is, it's a squad game. I'd say the Odegaard injury was more of a problem in that Arteta should have been able to replace him more easily. Saka going is now not so much a problem as that kid has come through. But anyway, Arteta bought Sterling to cover but that move hasn't worked out at all. And anyway, Arsenal's biggest problem all season hasn't really been down to injuries, even if they did become a problem. It's the #9 spot. Neither Havertz nor Jesus are really good enough and the manager should have addressed that when he could.


But as I said at the start, I accept Arsenal have had injuries. But if you're pinning the gap purely on injuries and trusting that all will be well once they're back, then you're ignoring the fact that they've been behind on goals scored even when those players are fit and so will fail to address the problem again. From a rival club's point of view, I hope Arteta does think that, but if I was a gunner I'd hope he'd be agreeing with me rather than the Arsenal fans on here.

Mes, please stop. Just stop.

RMW ran well for 2nd, just a few quid ew at 66s.

Because you begged, OK, but if you want me to reach for the drawer and bring out the multi coloured crayons to draw your a picture so you can understand better, let me know. Kind Regards.