time to get rid of VAR

I don't especially disagree with the view SH...but it's obviously not going anywhere and so the best focus is on improving it's implementation which seems to be so far from optimum currently it's laughable..

The decision of referee Darren England to stick to his onfield decision of a penalty for Villa in the 8th minute of extra time was complete and utter filth.

It was the first time this season a premier league referee has gone against VAR.

I'm still seething, it was clearly not penalty. I hope he gets called to account for his crucial error.

it was a pelanty tbf

Went to bed before the Villa game last night, but just taken a look and agree with 19pts. Looked like man first, ball second.

"if fans and players had a vote they'd probably vote to get rid of it as well" Majority vote from fans would be rid of it. Can't say for players. But the major that tops them all is the clubs. The clubs have voted in favour of VAR and so it will not be going anywhere unless the clubs do a U-turn on a process that has proven to be a great help in improving key decisions.

Hard to tell if he gets ball man ball man

I think on balance ref right to stick with onfield
as could argue all day.


I wonder what they were looking at for newcastle
pens and disallowed goals yesterday. Shockers
and Newcastle won.

Definitely spoilt it for me ,if I think back to Barcelona in 1999 the two celebrations that happened after the equaliser and then the winner would be nothing like that today with all this var, completely ruined it for the fans ,even going back to the 76 cup final I still have banter about Southamptons goal with someone I know who follows them ,it’s great he says it was onside I say it was offside neither of us would want a definitive answer.

The Geoff hurst goal in 66 still has people talking and so it should.

Should have stopped play as some people were
on the pitch. They thought it was all over.

Well that’s a very good point even if said in jest would the 4 th goal have be3n allowed?

It could work if the officials learned how to use it properly, but week after week they demonstrate that they can't, or won't. They can't get rid of all of the errant officials, as what would they replace them with? Even worse officials? So, it's probably here to stay, unfortunately.

We just had to accept stuff, and as you say
have a laugh, maybe, or at least enjoy when
we get the rub, as there would be times we would not.


2nd half at sjp yesterday was mad with disallowed
goal and 3 penalties going to var, 2 given, one taken.

How on earth can a fan celebrate with any certainty.

don't understand why decisions can't be made in nano seconds, it's 2023, with modern technology it shouldn't be difficult, we put man on the moon in the 60's yet they take  minutes to draw a line properly. It should only be used in short format competitions like the World Cup or the Champions League, in a 38 game season, nobody can point to this or that decision in this or that game as you have too long and too many games to blame decisions.

Even if it could be made in seconds I would be against it

newcastle disallowed goal yesterday,watching ref,he gives goal straight away then stops and turns back,obviously someone in his ear.

indicates game being reffed from sidelines.shocking decision

agree with donny,joy of goals being taken out of football altogether.

On MOTD Shearer & Murphy both said Palace were very hard done by. It looked like ball, man ball to them and me.

Newcastle's penalty that stood, was given by lino
Ref came over as wasn't sure.

Lino really struggled to keep up with play first
half and was often 10 yards or so away from
offside decisions that he therefore had to guess.

I think he's guessed at the penalty too, and ref
Might not trust him next time.

I suspect lino called the foul on goalie
for disallowed goal, maybe he realised he
had it wrong and gave pen to balance up.

Well never know without live discussion of
the incidents, in real time, not edited by
Howard Webb and released 2 weeks later.

We'll never knoe

Know, ffs

You may be right slippy, only going by Sky 3 minute highlights on YT.

how did they get 3 minutes out of that?

I thought Villa's pen was a pen just because even when slowed down couldn't see contact with the ball and his leg stopped the Villa player running forward therefore denying a goal scoring chance but anyhow, I too would scrap VAR no matter how quick they were, it was so much better before, I was for VAR at one point, but seeing how it's unfolded it's just really off putting for me.

Some weekends it seems to get used for every goal that goes in, every penalty given, every red given etc. checks everything.

Yet some weekends its barely used

Ive said it many times, and others have too, its a bookie tool

Isnt it odd how every btts landing seems to get overturned for 2 or 3 nights in a row, almost as if you can barely land one for a few days

Then some nights goals fly in and your allowed to keep them

Just feels that way sometimes anyway personally, probably b0llocks

Just as I was typing those comments two goals chalked off in different games…

Looked like he got the ball before and after he got Watkins. I don't think it was a pen. But if he hadn't got both touches I think it should have been as Watkins could still have got to the ball if he hadn't touched it the second time.

for me it takes the joy out of celebrating a goal, the second one goes in im looking for what might be wrong with it, Football survived over a hundred years without it.

Done everything to chalk off that Forest equaliser,a cracker.
Burnley's goal harsh not getting that aswell.
Hardest thing in the game to score goals.

John42

Same here, goal goes in and im thinking of what might be wrong with it

It's like I said a bit back

Some nights every goal not 1000% is chalked off

I'm sick and tired of players not just giving the goal back in protest, it'd soon be binned

It'll never take the joy away for me, I make sure I celebrate, I don't see any down sides to not celebrating

Oh no some spotty oik in the opposition crowd is giving me the w@nker sign because the goal has been chalked!

For me, continuing to celebrate and cheer when the ball hits the back of the net, chalked or not, is my way of saying NO to VAR and the machines and I suggest everyone joins me

Makes footie look boring is boring if we are honest. works well in American football and rugger think this has a lot to do with how is managed and power and the people clearly gone to some folks heads. it stinks will always stink now by association no getting away from the poop why those making the decisions cannot justify them just beggars belief ivory tower syndrome or what it is lunacy at best.

Flemenstar, I would love to see the opposite - a completely silent stadium when a goal goes in and then only cheering a goal when they kick off to restart

The problem with VAR is the way they are using it. The rules or the interpretation of the rules compound the problem along with inconsistency game to game. Although eventually Arsenal won anyway, Martinelli's picture perfect goal being chalked off, because Nketiah was deemed fractionally offside (despite receiving the ball from a defender), because apparently Beto was not in control of the ball when he hoofed it 40yds up the pitch when intercepting of Rice's pass. Beto deliberately tried to intercept the pass and VAR interpreted the rule as it wasn't deliberate play..

That early goal could have made the game far better to watch, as Everton "parking the bus" tactics would have been binned. The essence of the offside rule was to stop goalhangers, not to disallow goals based on fractions, that take 2-3mins to determine. The rules and interpretation of the rules is enabling VAR to ruin the spirit of the game.

It was Gabriel's pass. Once again this is a rule issue, not a VAR issue. The rule was correctly interpreted by VAR. It is a ridiculous rule in that scenario. He wasn't even trying to play the ball forward.

Yes, Gabriel passing to Rice which Beto deliberately intercepted, but apparently not deliberate play according to the interpretation of the rule. It is a ridiculous rule interpretation in that scenario. The rule doesn't state "in control", it states "deliberate play". Beto deliberately intercepted the pass.

Kind of surprising he was offside, as he clearly
wasn't interfering with play at that time...

I understand he was correctly deemed to be offside
But a different spin on the wording and he's onside.

And therein lies the problem. They can decide what they want. It's open to abuse and the main reason (for me) it should be discarded now.

get rid of var