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Giuseppe
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banner at the Union St Gilloise v Gent game in Brussels

zero fans in the ground

here we are again, after two years, back to square one

what the **** was the point of all the restrictions over the last year?
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Report 11kv December 26, 2021 6:22 PM GMT
Cos the anti vaxxers don't stick to the rules even when relaxed. it will be a way of life for yrs to come Joe.
Report Giuseppe December 26, 2021 6:24 PM GMT
86% of adults testing positive in the UK are vaccinated

75% have had at least two jabs

unvaccinated adults are only 10% of all cases in the UK (adults and kids)

blaming unvaccinated adults is madness
Report Giuseppe December 26, 2021 6:25 PM GMT
the problem is the vaccines are not stopping transmission

95% of adults in Ireland are double or triple jabbed and case numbers are through the roof
Report Giuseppe December 26, 2021 6:27 PM GMT
these are the official UK government figures

Report Giuseppe December 26, 2021 6:27 PM GMT
the vast majority of adults testing positive are double jabbed
Report PorcupineorPineapple December 26, 2021 6:31 PM GMT
Is there any forum safe from bores prattling on about the same thing over and over and over again?
Report Giuseppe December 26, 2021 6:38 PM GMT
yes mate this isnt worth talking about who needs fans anyway
Report Giuseppe December 26, 2021 6:40 PM GMT
don't empty stadiums also make a mockery of the whole covid passport system?

if vaccinated people still can't congregate, even outdoors, what is the point in them getting jabbed?
Report Giuseppe December 26, 2021 6:40 PM GMT
get jabbed , it will reduce transmission but not enough for us to let you go to a football match
Report 11kv December 26, 2021 6:47 PM GMT
Its the nonners spreading it like wild fire
Report Giuseppe December 26, 2021 6:53 PM GMT
10% of cases are unvaccinated adults
Report Giuseppe December 26, 2021 6:54 PM GMT
90% are vaccinated adults or kids
Report 11kv December 26, 2021 7:10 PM GMT
Do you think the nonners are reporting they have it or containing themselves to isolation Joe ?
Report Giuseppe December 26, 2021 7:12 PM GMT
90% of adults are vaccinated in the UK

there simply arent enough unvaccinated people to be causing these types of numbers

and the unvaxxed can only get covid once, reinfection rates are below 10%
Report Giuseppe December 26, 2021 7:13 PM GMT
more than 90% of adults

in ireland 95% of adults are double or triple jabbed

it is ludicrous to suggest the other 5% are waht is causing the surge
Report 11kv December 26, 2021 7:13 PM GMT
Do you really believe those numbers..
Report Giuseppe December 26, 2021 7:17 PM GMT
do i believe 95% of adults in ireland are vaccinated? yes
Report 11kv December 26, 2021 7:18 PM GMT
We where all going to drown 20yrs ago because the ice was melting?
Report SontaranStratagem December 26, 2021 8:29 PM GMT
11

They think up new ways to keep people mentally chained up but that chain has loosened because its 3 generations of fooling and its wakey wakey time

They cant hide it any longer

Theyve left the sinking ship with the idiots in charge and hence the woke culture and race baiting nonsense , that lot dont realise theyve been hung out to dry Laugh

But they dont get to just skulk away
Report 11kv December 26, 2021 9:07 PM GMT
were*
Report MC Roller December 26, 2021 9:23 PM GMT
Evidence please, that anti vax are to blame.

You don't have a shred of evidence.
Report 11kv December 26, 2021 9:27 PM GMT
An English physician named Edward Jenner came up with an answer in 1796. An unusually observant man who apparently knew his way around a dairy barn, Jenner noted that English milkmaids rarely contracted smallpox even when the people around them were dropping like flies. Perhaps, the doctor reasoned, their frequent exposure to cowpox, a common bovine malady, had made them immune to the human variant of the disease. Acting on this informed hunch, he inoculated his gardener’s 8-year-old son with a minute amount of cowpox pus and then repeatedly “challenged” the boy’s system with smallpox itself. To Jenner’s immense relief, little James Phipps proved completely immune. (His father’s reaction can only be imagined.) The doctor named his magical substance “vaccine,” from “vacca,” the Latin word for cow. Smallpox was soon ambling down the path to extinction.
Report SontaranStratagem December 26, 2021 9:46 PM GMT
MC Roller

They dont think they need the evidence

So arrogant and psychotic theyve become they believe the job is done

The utterly thick cun3s havent noticed theyve been lulled into a false of security, fire crackered out, smoked out

Theyve lost trying to play the exact same game not realising the same game being played beforehand Crazy
Report Giuseppe December 26, 2021 10:12 PM GMT
mate 90,000 vaccinated people are testing positive for covid every day in the UK

the vaccine stops you dying, it doesnt stop young people getting it
Report Giuseppe December 26, 2021 10:13 PM GMT
israel is already rolling out jab number 4
Report SontaranStratagem December 26, 2021 10:33 PM GMT
The jab is a distraction and an afterthought now

They want to send door to door wet lettuces round now the thread you posted on politics .its data collecting now and money being made in so many ways

Jokers
Report Corky December 27, 2021 12:58 AM GMT
People keep saying that the jabs don't stop you catching it, but it stops you getting it bad. How the fook do they know how they would have felt if they didn't have the jab ? Wishful thinking. IMO

One of my family has booked a week off work for their booster because they were wiped out for a week with the second. Might just as well have caught the real thing.
Report Giuseppe December 27, 2021 2:11 AM GMT
"People keep saying that the jabs don't stop you catching it, but it stops you getting it bad."

this is dishonest of them

they want young people to get the jab in order to stop transmission

people like whitty don't care about young people getting slightly less sick
Report Life-Lucky December 27, 2021 8:59 AM GMT
Covid? Yawn! Confirmed Pure-Blood here but that doesnt matter right now

Football is nothing without betting. Theres no style, no individual brilliance, no players or managers with a sense of humour, no amusing chanting, no fun.
Report drive for show putt for dough December 27, 2021 12:13 PM GMT
banner at the Union St Gilloise v Gent game in Brussels

zero fans in the ground

here we are again, after two years, back to square one

what the **** was the point of all the restrictions over the last year?


Saved the NHS being overwhelmed and people unnecessarily dying
Report drive for show putt for dough December 27, 2021 12:14 PM GMT
"Football is nothing without fans"

Plenty watching on the box has meant the game has kept going
Report LoyalHoncho December 27, 2021 1:52 PM GMT
Once again I question this criticism of Whitty.  He isn't deciding strategy he is advising on the science.  And doing it bluudy well from what I can see.
Report Giuseppe December 27, 2021 5:55 PM GMT
"Saved the NHS being overwhelmed and people unnecessarily dying"

of course it did mate

and we know that because Neil Ferguson's computer modelling says so

by the way 150,000 have died with these restrictions in place
Report Giuseppe December 27, 2021 5:56 PM GMT
"And doing it bluudy well from what I can see."

by what criteria hads Whitty's policy been a success?
Report Giuseppe December 27, 2021 6:00 PM GMT
i should say the banner was actually "football without fans is nothing"
Report LoyalHoncho December 27, 2021 7:05 PM GMT
Whitty doesn't have a policy, he has science.  At the risk of becoming even more tiresome than usual I repeat that it is the politicians who decide and implement policy.  Love
Report Giuseppe December 27, 2021 7:10 PM GMT
Whitty interprets raw data

his opinion is subjective

and it is wrong
Report drive for show putt for dough December 27, 2021 9:00 PM GMT
by the way 150,000 have died with these restrictions in place


To slow to lockdown main reason for so many deaths. Imagine how many more would have died had they not locked down
Report Giuseppe December 27, 2021 9:23 PM GMT
yes mate imagine

probbaly millions

we should ask ferguson what he thinks

tap a few numbers into his spreadsheets and we'll know

how did swede cope with no lockdown don't ask silly questions they ahve more deaths than norway so they can;t be right
Report LoyalHoncho December 28, 2021 3:40 PM GMT
In general and unless a very compelling reason is presented to me I take the scientific opinions of a qualified man over a bf forumite.  Every time.  And of course, no offence meant.
Report BennyBinion1 December 28, 2021 8:51 PM GMT
Neil Ferguson said at the start of December, there COULD be one million infections and 5000 deaths a day, by Christmas, due to the new virus.

Sigh.......
Report Giuseppe December 28, 2021 9:07 PM GMT
In general and unless a very compelling reason is presented to me I take the scientific opinions of a qualified man over a "bf forumite.  Every time.  And of course, no offence meant. "

do you have any interest in judging his past performance?

he thought there would be 100,000 cases a day in july after boris lifted the mask mandate

he thought there might be 5,000 deaths a day from omicron, a week later he is saying it is even milder than delta

all of these experts have continually oversetimated the effectivness of vaccines of various anti-covid measures

he thought 2 million might die from swine flu too, it had largely gone by the time a vaccine had been developed and distributed
Report Giuseppe December 28, 2021 9:08 PM GMT
yes the guardian had that as it's front page story one day last week, a million infections a day
Report irishone December 28, 2021 9:14 PM GMT
If football is nothing without fans how come the vast majority across the planet play it without any fecker watching or supporting them ?

Anyone who has played it will tell you the game comes first
Report Giuseppe December 28, 2021 9:17 PM GMT
18 deaths in the UK today

did Professor Ferguson's compueter models predcit that?
Report Giuseppe December 28, 2021 9:18 PM GMT
professional football is about the fans, not the players

those **** are being paid millions to play

that money comes from the fans
Report Mubey25 December 28, 2021 9:40 PM GMT
You've got the pandemic the wrong way round, the vaccine wasn't brought in for Covid, Covid was brought in for the vaccine. The pandemic has absolutely nothing to do with health or saving lives and everything to do with control.
Report Giuseppe December 28, 2021 9:44 PM GMT
near-empty stadiums in portugal too

are clubs being compensated for this? with taxpayers money?

how did premier elague clubs pay salaries last year?

were season ticekt holders reimbursed?
Report lurka December 28, 2021 10:04 PM GMT
ticket revenue is dwarfed by TV money in the PL. Foreign fans watching on TV are more important to PL clubs and they are still paying.
Report Giuseppe December 28, 2021 10:06 PM GMT
nearly all professional clubs in europe run at a loss

you can't just remove gate receipts and expect them to keep paying their bills

where did the money come from?

what about the league of ireland and scottish league where the tv money is a pittance?
Report lurka December 28, 2021 11:16 PM GMT
I only mentioned PL clubs because you asked how they paid salaries when there were no fans at grounds. Matchday revenue has become an increasingly small % of overall revenue since the PL began, despite ticket prices etc increasing massively. There were widespread wage reductions and deferrals during covid too. PL clubs are the last clubs around who will get into trouble on paying wages due to fans being absent.

They get far more money from fans paying TV subs abroad than matchday fans, never mind domestic tv fans. One of the reasons why they want to breakaway now - matchday revenues from attending and domestic tv fans are a drop in the ocean now compared to armchair foreign fans who they haven't fully milked yet like they have the fans at home. By way of example they've just renewed their 6 year deal with NBC in the US for $2.7bn, double what they paid for the last 6 year deal. They'll be doing that across the board in other countries too going forward. A year without matchday revenues is nothing compared to the bigger picture. A minor cash-flow difficulty at most which can be easily solved.
Report Giuseppe December 28, 2021 11:44 PM GMT
are you suggesting PL clubs can pay their bills without gate receipts?

the pay cuts the players took were pretty minor if i recall correctly
Report Giuseppe December 28, 2021 11:44 PM GMT
in some countries the season didn't even finish, some matches weren;t played

were tv companies reimbursed for this? who paid them?
Report Giuseppe December 28, 2021 11:46 PM GMT
"A year without matchday revenues is nothing compared to the bigger picture"

is this a wind up?
Report Giuseppe December 28, 2021 11:46 PM GMT
what about the championship?
Report irishone December 29, 2021 12:12 AM GMT
Sadly giuseppe dominating a thread again
...on a subject he knows feck all about
90% plus players dont give a toss about the fans
Pro football is dog eat dog
90% plus players sh1t themselves before a pro game and find the whole experience very stressful
Most of them love the sport, the camaraderie, the banter, the money
Fans are way down the list
Its their love of the game that spurs them on
Not the adoration, nor in many cases the dosh
....and until the dopey Italian
Goes and spends a bit of time working at a club
He is talking bolleaux again
Report Giuseppe December 29, 2021 12:19 AM GMT
how the **** did teams pay salaries without matchday revenue?

all taxpayer funded furlough?
Report lurka December 29, 2021 12:21 AM GMT
For the second time I'm only talking about the PL because you asked how PL clubs could pay their wage bills without matchday fans. The future revenue streams primarily from untapped foreign markets make a year without matchday revenues not too big a problem for most of them, more of a cash flow problem. The FFP rules in the PL and UEFA were relaxed too because of covid so all owners were free to inject more cash than usual to help with cash flow and pay wages if necessary. Relegated clubs got parachute payments etc etc. 

Stop asking me about other leagues. Other leagues aren't in the same boat at all and I never said a thing about other leagues.
Report Giuseppe December 29, 2021 12:25 AM GMT
do you or do you not think Spurs etc can meet all their bills without matchday revenue?
Report Giuseppe December 29, 2021 12:27 AM GMT
you're the one who brought up the PL

i dont give a **** about the PL

i was talking about belgium and portugal
Report lurka December 29, 2021 12:50 AM GMT
Yes, for a relatively short period of time. They can borrow from a bank and repay from future revenues which are going to grow as foreign rights grow. Some clubs had cash reserves for contingencies like unexpected losses of revenue. Others have owners willing to inject cash to cover the short-term loss in revenues. Most of them got their players to agree to wage cuts. Some clubs even had pay per view games at £15 a pop.

How do you think Arsenal went out and outspent every club in the league the year they lost euro football revenues completely for the first time in donkeys' years and had no matchday revenues the season before that too? Because they didn't have to operate under normal FFP rules and they were free to splash more cash and incur greater losses than they could in any other FFP year, like every other PL club.

Do you think the players weren't paid or something? They were the first members of staff paid. You don't want assets worth tens of millions to get the hump with you because you're not paying them. It's not smart. As I said it was a cash flow problem for most of the PL clubs with numerous simple solutions available to them. Did any of the PL clubs go bust over it like clubs in other leagues? Why not? PL clubs are best able to deal with covid.

Go and read up about some football finance instead of asking very basic questions repeatedly.
Report Giuseppe December 29, 2021 1:04 AM GMT
"Do you think the players weren't paid or something?"

i think premier league clubs almost certainly received some type of government assistance

perhaps not to pay star players but to pay other staff

taxpayer funded
Report Giuseppe December 29, 2021 1:09 AM GMT
"Go and read up about some football finance instead of asking very basic questions repeatedly. "

where should i start? will if find articles describing matchhday revenue as "nothing compared to the bigger picture"

premier league tv rights were 3.1 bn in 2019 according to this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League#Finances

that's an average of 150 million per club

small clubs get less

Everton's revenue was 200m in 2019-20

Leicester was 170m

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deloitte_Football_Money_League#2019%E2%80%9320

i would estimate that for many clubs matchday revenue is about 1/3 of all revenue
Report Giuseppe December 29, 2021 1:11 AM GMT
"Did any of the PL clubs go bust over it like clubs in other leagues? Why not?"

what clubs have gone bust?

even in ireland the notoriously unstable league of ireland clubs survived
Report Giuseppe December 29, 2021 1:13 AM GMT
Everton's revenue was 200m in 2019-20

Leicester was 170m

^ this is total revenue

a fair chunk must be from gate receipts and other matchday revenue

it can't be 90% tv money
Report lurka December 29, 2021 9:21 AM GMT
'must be' - why don't you go and look it up instead of wondering? Leicester's turnover was £150m in their 19/20 accounts, not 170m. £13m from matchday, £29m from commercial, £108m from broadcasting and they didn't have any euro football tv revenue that season and £28m broadcasting revenue was deferred because of the shutdown (it was £128m in total the previous season). Only 3 months of that season were affected by covid but they only got £15m from matchday the previous season.

Why don't you go and look up Swiss Ramble on twitter. You don't need an account do it. And learn a bit about football finance instead of asking endless uninformed questions?
Report jinxy December 30, 2021 2:42 PM GMT
fans make football ...
Report Giuseppe December 30, 2021 5:45 PM GMT
mate i didn't ask you to post on this thread
Report Giuseppe December 30, 2021 5:46 PM GMT
why did spurs spend 1 billion on a new stadium, basically bankrupting themselves for ten years, if match revenue is "nothing"?
Report Giuseppe December 30, 2021 5:47 PM GMT
"'must be' - why don't you go and look it up instead of wondering? Leicester's turnover was £150m in their 19/20 accounts, not 170m. £13m from matchday,"

are you suggetsing matchday revenue is typically less than 10% of all revenue for a PL club?
Report PorcupineorPineapple December 30, 2021 8:35 PM GMT
Why is it so common for people to ask these open ended questions rather than actually go and check?


Seriously, dig out swiss ramble. If you're right you can come back with proof instead of just endlessly asking and asking and asking.
Report Giuseppe December 30, 2021 8:39 PM GMT
you need to dig to know whether empty stadiums are a problem?

"but there are some clubs in the richest leaghue in the world who ca afford it"

ok what about the rest?

how are hibs paying wages with 500 in the stadium?
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