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salmon spray
13 Jul 21 14:02
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Generally expected to be first choice left-back but didn't get on the pitch at all. Is it because his grandfather played for Corinthian Casuals at football and Cambridge University no less at cricket ?
Just asking.
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Report jollyswagman July 13, 2021 4:39 PM BST
Laugh very good.

surely if all the footballers are marxists having a relative at the home of 'the cambridge five' should have got him a start?
Report DIE LINKE July 13, 2021 4:52 PM BST
Depends, are we talking Daily Mail/Express, mortgage and one foreign holiday a year middle class or the real middle class?
Report salmon spray July 13, 2021 10:44 PM BST
If his grandfather went to Cambridge just after the war I think we're probably talking real middle class.
Don't think Marcus saw Ben down the food bank.
I must admit I was just a bit surprised that we had somebody in the squad who really hasn't got typical working class roots. Nothing to do with race btw,as John Barnes was another one who came from a relatively wealthy background.
Report Capt__F July 13, 2021 10:47 PM BST
Rooney from other side

Ireland prob lucky J Charlton not around
Report n88uk July 13, 2021 11:46 PM BST
Shaw was generally expected to be first choice left back coming in.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B July 14, 2021 8:18 AM BST
I'm a United fan and trying not to be biased Shaw has been fantastic for us this past season even getting Player of the Year I do believe?

Once again he was surely one of England's better players in the Euros so I'd have picked him over Chilwell anyway.  Rashford on the other hand has had a poor season and I think it only right that he took no part whatsoever (pretty much) in the Euros.
Report lfc1971 July 14, 2021 8:28 AM BST
Hasn’t Leeds striker Patrick Bamford had to claim he wasn’t middle class ?

At one point as a young footballer at Burnley he had to ask Sean Dyche why he wasn’t playing any matches
Dyche replies by asking who came with him when he was thinking about playing for Burnley
And Bamford replied it was his parents
Dyche then said something like that’s why

That’s the mentality . Bamford went on to play well for Leeds
Maybe should have featured for England in the Euros ?
Report salmon spray July 14, 2021 10:20 AM BST
I'd agree Shaw was one of England's better players but certainly 6 months ago Chilwell,who is the younger of two,looked a shoo-in. In the first match neither was picked and Trippier,essentially a right-back ,played at left-back. Also Chilwell had to fight for his place at Chelea when Tuchet (?) arrived but ended the season as 1st choice. The Italians played Chelsea's 3rd choice against us.
Report loui July 14, 2021 10:38 AM BST
Don't think racism is the question here more like why haven't some very talented players who can change games had hardly a kick in the tournament. As it was going along was thinking maybe he didn't think they had enough experience of competitions  like this. Which would make his penalty takers choice ridiculous. Got to the final but can't help but think he played it far too safe, subbing Grealish being prime example of it.
Report salmon spray July 14, 2021 10:48 AM BST
I don't think racism played any part in Southgate's selections either. I don't think he's keen on Grealish because he tends to do his own thing rather than fit in to a pattern. Fine at Aston Villa where he is clearly their best player but not for the meticulous Southgate,who I agree tends to err on the side of caution.
lfc is right about Bamford btw. He went to an independent school where they only played rugger,has 4 "A" levels and plays 4 musical instuments. No wonder he didn't make the final squad     Grin
Report Shanelee1966 July 14, 2021 11:51 AM BST
I`m somewhat surprised re Southgate and Grealish salmon.

If he was Italian/German would he have been a regular in their side. I think so.
Report Shanelee1966 July 14, 2021 11:56 AM BST
How you keeping salmon?
Report salmon spray July 14, 2021 12:19 PM BST
Need a bypass Shane. I'm managing but not much more as get out of breath looking at a flight of stairs.
It's been dragging on for 18 months for obvious reasons, but looks as though I might be quite near the top of the ladder now.
Report Shanelee1966 July 14, 2021 12:29 PM BST
Sorry to hear buddy. Wish you all the very best.

Good heart team at the Northern General i hear.
Report themightymac July 14, 2021 1:34 PM BST
Sorry to hear that too Salmon. I wish you all the best mate.
Report salmon spray July 14, 2021 3:13 PM BST
Thanks both.
I've been impressed by the NG staff having had bad experiences with other hospitals so I'm hopeful of being a new man by Xmas   Happy
Report elise July 14, 2021 3:18 PM BST
hi salmon, gl with the health thing, all the best
Report Shanelee1966 July 14, 2021 3:30 PM BST
Hope so salmon, you know where i am when you`re better if you fancy a couple of pints Grin
Report jollyswagman July 14, 2021 3:33 PM BST
good luck salmon spray.

not quite the same thing but hopefully not too dissimilar for the thread was the experience of graeme le saux who, despite having an absolutely gorgeous argentian wife and two children, was subject to repeated homophobic abuse throughout his playing career- i seem to remember that he read the guardian rather than one of the red tops, apparently that was a giveaway.
Report Giuseppe July 14, 2021 3:36 PM BST
i always assumed the booing was for reading the guardian not for being gay
Report jollyswagman July 14, 2021 3:42 PM BST
he isnt gay.

dont know about the crowds but robbie fowler flashed his @rse at him and gave him grief, even his own team mates gave him pelters. being a bit different to the average player certainly had a cost for him.
Report second again July 14, 2021 3:55 PM BST
I dont know if it is true but I read the Liverpool players thought G. Souness was gay because washing after training he used aftershave.
Report Jack Hacksaw July 14, 2021 4:24 PM BST
Surprised there isn't a support group, and maybe wristband, for the poor, picked upon middle class lads, fighting against the odds to be accepted as a professional footballer.
Report macarony July 14, 2021 4:29 PM BST
Football was a working class sport up until about 25 years ago
Report Jack Hacksaw July 14, 2021 4:30 PM BST
Instead of taking a knee, maybe all 22 players and officials could adopt a ballet pose in support of them.
Report Jack Hacksaw July 14, 2021 4:31 PM BST
It was almost entirely 25 years ago.  Now it is a sport for everyone.  Now you can sit down.
Report macarony July 14, 2021 4:35 PM BST
Can't beat the stands
Report penzance July 14, 2021 5:28 PM BST
hope your operation goes well and you can enjoy
Christmas.
   GL ATB.
Report DIE LINKE July 14, 2021 5:51 PM BST
all the best with your OP salmon spray, you are a true gent!
Report fife July 14, 2021 6:33 PM BST
All the best to one of the decent posters.
Report kincsem July 14, 2021 7:01 PM BST
salmon spray
I had a bypass in June.
It was minor, the least important of four arteries.
In on Monday, op on Tuesday (they put in a stent); out lunchtime on Wednesday

You will be ok.  Take care.
Report Capt__F July 14, 2021 9:37 PM BST
Salmon S

wishing you all the best
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