Yew have 2 laugh at the scottish enjoying England losing!!

lfc

You mention the lyrics to 'Three Lions on the Shirt" which states England have had "Thirty Years of Hurt".

However that song was made 25 years ago.  It's now 55 years of hurt ............ and counting!

If scottish patriotism amounts to the inverse of English loss, then consider what that patriotism amounts to. One missed penalty in a European Final

you missed 3 not one.

Utterly pathetic
The patriotic hobby of the English backbiting due to the blatant incompetence of scotland

Missed 3, but only 1 more than them, so the difference was just one.

The same number of goals scored in totality in the back door scotch campaign

Without cheap shots
Do the scottish honestly think the English give the firsh f0ck about scotland?
Sure they get the odd attempt to knock our block off and always fail, then remain flattened hoping we dont go too far
PMSL

dusty

But do you think the Scots give a flock about England?

Like I said we simply admit we're a very poor side and whilst you're undoubtably better than us why can't you admit you're not very good?

It is wrong to single out Scotland for not wanting an English victory..England are universally despised due to their racist thuggish fans,,lasers shined in eyes storming the disabled gate attacking innocent fans and police..and you wonder why?

sofia

Hear hear well said.

and we have 2 posters on this thread providing more than enough evidence as to why many never want to see them win anything

Lou
England are 4th seed in the world.
How 'not very good' does that amount to?

If anyone is waiting on us to pander for the stuff that brought wealth to this island, you will be waiting for quite a wile.

while

The English(Not all it must be said..but what appears a very VOCAL majority) are so immersed in their own arrogant sense of superiority they remain blind as to where the patently obvious schadenfreude mentality comes from.

For many it's nothing but neighbourly banter, have one in your eye. For others it's a constant that's rooted from the tragedy and scars that were dealt during imperial times.

As a true 'neutral'

dustybin, you are far too clever for these Scotsmen, give them a break or they will end up mugging another poor innocenet or breaking into someones house and robbing them so to feed their drug problems. For the safety of those people dustybin, let them off the hook and let it lay.

Quite funny to hear Scots saying that ENG had an easy route to the final, when one of the teams we had to face on the way, was... erm ............. Scotland   

To be fair I think their mocking the media hype more than anything

The media spent 2 weeks telling us all its "coming home"

And when it didn't they moved onto hooligans and "racism" to fill the pages and air time...

dusty

But the reason they're so highly seeded is because they've been extremely lucky with the last two draws to reach the Sem Final and then Final of last two comps.

Come on 4th does flatter them surely.

mecca

But that's the thing.  We know it was an easy route to the final via Scotland.  We know we're not at all good.

That's the difference we admit it yet England fans can't admit they're side aren't that great either.  Big difference.

England are the greatest football country in European history
Now those are the facts like it or not Scots

lfc

How you come up with that?

But do you think the Scots give a flock about England?

Like I said we simply admit we're a very poor side and whilst you're undoubtably better than us why can't you admit you're not very good?


Lol

If we ain't very good how can we
get an easy draw.


Thing is we are good, and it pains you

Well just from memory , is it 6 or 7 English teams that have won the European cup ?
No other country comes close
Of course you might wish to add in the fairs cup , uefa cup , cup winners cup etc too numerous to recall

England rules supreme

lfc

But how many times have the English teams won European Cup?

Count them yourself !

Liverpool have won 6,iirc

Lou will know, lol

We have the numbers , count them
And strength in depth that no other country in the world has

13 times.

Spain has provided the most champions, with eighteen wins from two clubs. England have produced fourteen winners from five clubs and Italy have produced twelve winners from three clubs.

lfc1971
England are the greatest football country in European history
Now those are the facts like it or not Scots

They are, if you ignore these 10 European championship winners
Germany; Spain 3 each
Italy; France 2 each
Russia; Czech; Portugal; Netherlands; Denmark; Greece 1 each

England 0

Hang on yhtl , didn’t Spain enter Europe long before England
And of course we were banned for ten years

No it’s very simple , England enters England wins ( that was Honda motorcycles motto quite right )

lfc

England had FIVE different teams not six or seven FACT

English teams won it fourteen times.  FACT

Spanish teams won it eighteen times.  FACT

You've made yourself look really silly there son.

Jog on!   PMSL

I suspect clubs, and strength in depth
was a clue to lfcs point.

Ah count again kinsman

lfc

You're acting very childishly there son.

Admit your mistake and jog on.

Also as kingsmen points out.

WORLD CUP 1

EUROS     0




hmmmmmmmmmmm!

Of course if you ban English teams or they don’t enter ( 5 Madrid wins until England entered etc)
But when we are there we win
More than any other country .. and more teams

lfc

You're digging a hole now son I'd stop if I were you.

WORLD CUP 1

EUROS     0

Has any country got more than 5
different winners?

Has any other country got
10 winners of 2 or more
different European trophies
like England have?

How many would the Busby babes have won ?
Well 5 would be a conservative estimate , possibly ten

England have a team
in its 3rd tier that are
unbeaten at home in europe
for 47 years, that's some feat

Now I’m sorry , there’s no greater football nation in the world than England
Well we are good at everything actually

lfc

But you don't know that.  Yes they were supposedly a great team but they may never have won it so to see 5 a Conservative estimate is again a ridiculous remark.

Why can't you have a decent conversation, put your point across fairly and be honest?

Lol, lfc has made a point, and hes
wiped floor with you lou

Who else has 5 or more?

Tick tock...

Fair enough , here are the facts
When English clubs entered and competed in European football
They won more trophies than any other nation
And they had more clubs who won
Ok with that ?

lfc

Ill take your word for it fair enough.

But we're talking about the National side on here.  What do you say to that?

WORLD CUP 1

EUROS  0

That’s not bad, should do better with the obvious talent and strength in depth

Last world cup... Semi final
Last euros.... Final


A poor team indeed

But if England have the obvious talent they'd win moree surely?

Can't blame the manager as they've tried SEVENTEEN different ones since 66.

Next world cup... 3rd favs

Part of the problem with the England team is this :
The manager , and they tend not to pick the best players

Now in club football that’s not such a factor
Good players will find their way into the team somewhere
And before you know it they’ve won the league .. and maybe even the European cup the following years

Managers don’t have the same ability to fk up

How many league one titles have been won
by England managers past or present?

lfc

SEVENTEEN different manager's though?  Have you ever thought maybe it's the players who just aren't good enough?  SEVENTEEN different attempts ............ all have failed.  The manager's fault, really?

The players are there , the trophies prove it

lfc

Look I'm sorry but I just can't carry on with this if you won't admit simple truths and refuse to have a word said against England.

I could ask you "Do you admit two and two makes four" ............ and you'd say "No" so I just can't converse with someone like that any more sorry as I find it so frustrating.

Those are the facts Lou , its all there in black and white
Now you can deny all you like it doesn’t change the facts

But I gave you facts.

You said English teams had won it more ............ you were wrong.

You said there were 6 or 7 different English winners ......... wrong again.

And

WORLD CUP 1

EUROS 0

Ramsey, mercer, revie

Any more?

I could ask you "Do you admit two and two makes four" ............ and you'd say "No" so I just can't converse with someone like that any more sorry as I find it so frustrating.


Again lou?

Lol

Yes I was thinking Man City had won this year that would have been 6
But they were beaten by a English team in the final ( who had already won before )

So English teams have won it more - fact
And more English teams have won it - fact

lfc

I'm sorry it's nice to join in and 'chat' but I just can't with people who simply refuse to be fair and honest as I find it so frutrating.

Look at this:

Lou, Are Man Utd a very good team? ................... NO

Lou, Are Scotland a very poor side, almost one of the worst in the world? ........... YES

Lou, Is the atmosphere  great at Old Trafford?  like say Anfield? ................... NO

See what I mean, all going against my teams but just being HONEST.

Anyway , maybe another World Cup next year

Maybe a European cup too, lfc

for citeh, or lpool,

And a europa campaign for man u

Lol , wouldn’t surprise me

Little donny, a typical 'whatever way the wind blows' Master.........Baitor.

Now I’m sorry , there’s no greater football nation in the world than England
Well we are good at everything actually

and there we have it, precisely the blinkered, unrealistic, arrogant, fkd up views which meant that all non-Ing-er-lunders were delighted on sunday night....

The European Cup
If I remember correctly it was a Scottish team that won it first for the British Isles.
The first English team to win it, Manchester United, had seven English players in their 11, four foreigners.

English teams do have the most wins in the UEFA Cup Winners Cup (England 8; Spain 7; Italy 7)
That competition was abolished in 1999 so that record will never be beaten

The 2021 Champions League final

Chelsea: Mendy; Chilwell; Rudiger; Thiago Silva; Azpilicueta; James; Kante; Jorghino; Mount; Havertz; Werner
Manchester City: Ederson; Walker; Stones; Ruben Dias; Zinchenko; Bernardo Silva; Gundogan; Foden; Mahrez; Sterling

There is an English element in the two teams.

Of course but in fact English teams did better in Europe before the influx of foreign players
And won the World Cup also

Eight English players in Liverpool’s first victory

There was actually 9 English players in Liverpool`s first victory and a Welshman and an Irishman.

And 11 Scots who were all born in Glasgow area when Celtic became the FIRST ever winners. A feat that will never be equalled again.

*First ever British winners.

A wonderful achievement by Glasgow Celtic
But of course there is an advantage if you are playing consistently in the European cup
The very fact that English football is so competitive and especially when only the winners of the league would qualify
Meant that even great teams such as Man Utd the first winners might have the one chance to win every maybe even every ten years

Liverpool managed to break this with their dominance , which naturally led to dominating  ( although still with spells from other teams such as cloughs forest ) in Europe
It was a colossal achievement

I would agree with that. Colossal achievement indeed. And Clough`s achievement with Forest too.

It’s easier now , even Chelsea have been European champions this year
Of course they shouldn’t really have had the chance to win and wouldn’t in the past

Yes , I don’t think what Clough achieved at Forest , and Derby also can be matched by any other manager
It’s beyond understanding really

I remember I think it was Atletico Madrid butchering Celtic and Jimmy Johnstone in particular. When I say butchering I am not talking metaphorically! I think the game may have been flagged at some future point for possible referee nobling!

Wouldn’t surprise me one bit

Sourness and players like that for Liverpool put a stop to any nonsense on the pitch
He was a very important factor in Liverpool’s success in Europe

And Leeds Utd would probably have won it in 1970 but were knocked out by the great Celtic team in the semi-final. Having defeated the brilliant Leeds team, they thought that they just needed to turn up for the Final and were beaten by Feyenoord after extra time.

... and lets not forget Aston Villa, another magnificent achievement.

.... now the competition is ruined and all about money, money, money, and British teams full of mercenaries only interested in cash.

I mean I saw the great Roberto Duran knee Ken Buchanan in the hee haws but that was boxing. To do it and get away with it in a football match beggars belief!

No team should have allowed Johnstone to be kicked around
It was players like Souness responsibility to make sure it didn’t happen

Yes agree Mac that Leeds team were I sometimes think the best I have seen
Celtic beat them and should have won the European cup again

Ken Bates sadly passed away yesterday I think.

But as I said , Leeds didn’t get too many chances as they kept being pipped in the league ,
And then it’s too late

Ken Bates!

How would that be sad

Mick Bates!

tbf Ken Bates did great work for football, football fans and The FA in screwing multi millions of pounds for The Wembley Stadium White Elephant from a couple of useless Sports Ministers and the Tax Payer.

I am talking tens of millions of pounds!

I was at that match whispering. Atletico dropped all their star players and put out a side of henchmen whose only job was to stop Celtic playing, Jimmy in particular. 1974 and It was brutal. Imagine how the divers of today would cope with that. Wee Jimmy got slaughtered that night and I don`t think anybody could accuse him of diving. Worth a watch for younger posters who probably haven`t seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpxoTiKkvw8

Sorry to hear that Mick has sadly passed away. That was a great Leeds team. Should have won European Cup in 1975. RIP Mr Bates.

I remember the game! Looking back now it is equally shocking. I know the Leeds Game against Munchen in '75 was viewed as a possible referee corruption case. I was pretty sure this one was too but the ref covered himself by sending 3 of them off! It was a total disgrace regardless.

The Leeds v Chelsea 1970 Cup Final ( replay? ) was also equally entertaining but at least the players governed themselves! Charlton/ Osgood still makes me chuckle!

Big Jack and Norman Hunter getting stuck in and Ron "Chopper" Harris getting stuck in too.

Those were the days Whispering!

THis took a turn for rhe worst!!

Was just messing, stop arguing please.

I agree with comments about Ref in Atletico game. Corrupt without a doubt. Imagine if they had VAR back then

Not arguing - reminiscing

Not arguing - reminiscing

Do you remember when we used to kicks lumps out of each other? It was such fun!

The older we get

The better we were!

The guy dived - Souness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygVgxYa3mlo

Commentator says it`s a definite booking

.... it`s a prison sentence now

And 11 Scots who were all born in Glasgow area when Celtic became the FIRST ever winners. A feat that will never be equalled again.

The whole squad were born within
30 miles of the ground, most of
em on the doorstep.

A fantastic achievement. Iirc
celtic conceded early then hammered
away at inter, missed a pen, equalised and
then scored winner with 5 minutes left.

Back in them days everybody i
knew wanted celtic to win, as
they did with man utd the following
year.

The bitterness came later!

And of course the quiz questions
followed.... Who wore the number 7
shirt,or indeed who wore any number shirt...

Do you remember when we used to kicks lumps out of each other? It was such fun


Copa America final at the weekend
was a trip down memory lane.