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Report 1830 July 11, 2021 11:16 PM BST
Buy
Report GAZO July 11, 2021 11:16 PM BST
might leave off the freddy flintstone shuffle next pen he takes
Report barstool July 11, 2021 11:22 PM BST
What a total fancy footed prick.
Report swiftynifty July 11, 2021 11:24 PM BST
Think the ref thought he'd gone into a trance. He feeds our kids then ruins their summers.
Report ProSniper July 11, 2021 11:25 PM BST
Report akabula July 11, 2021 11:27 PM BST
He should have went down on one knee during the run up.
That would have been the icing on the cake.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! July 11, 2021 11:28 PM BST
Hes a
T O S S E R

Laugh
Report Dr Crippen July 11, 2021 11:30 PM BST
He did his best.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! July 11, 2021 11:31 PM BST
LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Dr Crippen July 11, 2021 11:37 PM BST
See that dance he did in front of the goal. He sent the goalie the wrong way, then with three quarters of the goal to shoot at, he hit the post.

He couldn't miss.

He was lucky he didn't twist his back shooting that far wide.
Report breadnbutter July 11, 2021 11:43 PM BST
Not sure putting players on so late is a great idea,in fact they were on the touchline waiting for quite a few mins. Better to get on and get a few touches.

For all the players England have not sure we really seen a top drawer performance although maybe they ain't as good as some think.

Was impressed with Harry Mcguire and  Mason Mount but kane and Grealish not so much.

Maybe Grealish and Rashford not 100% fit, Rashford was prob a big miss imo, not sure he should have been put on at all in the final, Grealish should be able to take a pen, what's that all about?
Report Eric.Cartman July 11, 2021 11:44 PM BST
Fckin ****...the next fat poor kid he tries to force feed is gonna knock him out.... MBE - Massive Bell-End
Report FOYLESWAR July 12, 2021 9:01 AM BST
get back into the circus ydcs .......
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 9:09 AM BST
Bit of a cheek not playing Rashford the whole tournament and then asking him to take a penalty
Should have refused to come on
Report Timber July 12, 2021 9:10 AM BST
Why did he take that approach? Never seen anybody do that before. He stood directly behind three ball, then did a little dance, 50 stutters and then shanked it on to the post. It only just about got there too. Bizarre
Report Timber July 12, 2021 9:10 AM BST
Southgate chose the penalty takers before the game started
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 9:11 AM BST
Nothing wrong with that , he’s a good penalty taker generally
Others are not and that should have been obvious
Report Timber July 12, 2021 9:12 AM BST
If you know you are going to make the keeper go the wrong way you don't need to get it right into the corner

Tbf the Italian penalties were crap too. On another night or keeper could have saved them all
Report Timber July 12, 2021 9:14 AM BST
The Field goal kicker in NFL has the same role. Not part of the play at all and just expected to come on cold and score
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 9:16 AM BST
I don’t think there’s a goalkeeper in nfl though
Report Timber July 12, 2021 9:17 AM BST
Just a few 300 pound monsters running at you, wanting to break every bone in your body haha
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 9:17 AM BST
Now if Rashford had to do that every match - no problem
Report Timber July 12, 2021 9:18 AM BST

Jul 12, 2021 -- 3:16AM, lfc1971 wrote:


I don’t think there’s a goalkeeper in nfl though


There wasn't a goalkeeper by the time he made contact. It was an open goal

Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 9:21 AM BST
Yes it happens , but at least he is technically a good player
He dragged the shot a little trying to be too precise
Muller did the same thing against England
Report sparrow July 12, 2021 9:22 AM BST
A penalty is supposed to be awarded for foul play and not a way to decide the outcome of a game. The golden goal should have been persevered with because at least it was about all the players being involved in playing a game of football.
Report steerforth July 12, 2021 9:33 AM BST
100% correct. It was a draw. Taking shots from 18yds to decide what colour medal you take home is futile. Golden Goal much derided but infinitley better solution. (I'd say the same if England had won it)
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 9:34 AM BST
Id prefer the whole tournament to be league based , and you play every team once
Report Storm Alert July 12, 2021 9:35 AM BST
Rashford - if your going to put into the left corner you can't afford to drag it with very little power, always likely to curl away from goal. Technically very poor especially with all the shenanigans in this run up.

The golden goal experiment a total failure. Nearly always 30 mins of negative defensive play.
Report slickster July 12, 2021 9:38 AM BST
Has to be a better way than penalties to decide tournaments. Its cruel. After 90 and then 120 minutes, make it 5 a side. 1st goal wins. Won't take long.
Report Dr Crippen July 12, 2021 9:44 AM BST
I thought the penalty taking was the best part of the match.
Report GAZO July 12, 2021 9:45 AM BST
there is no better way than penalties
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 9:45 AM BST
To take a pen you have to stand to the left of the ball . Point number one
From there you can either strike the ball directly into the right or left corner quite naturally . Point 2
You do not use the instep to kick the ball , this can cause a problem if playing to the left corner . Point 3
You kick the ball , either directly to the right or left on the lases of your boot . Point 3

That’s how you take a penalty
Report sageform July 12, 2021 9:47 AM BST
I don't like penalties either but I feel that Rashford's miss was the turning point and he had an open goal to hit with the keeper flat on the floor on one side! The other 2 had no experience of this kind of occasion and were as likely to score as Emma Raducanu was to win Wimbledon. Surely Luke Shaw should have been third up, he had a marvellous tournament and was full of confidence. Is there no limit to the size of goalkeeper by the way. The Italian one was twice the size of PickfordHappy
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 9:52 AM BST
Rashford hit the ball to the proper side of the goal -
The keeper wasn’t there
That’s a good start - others were worse and the keeper saved
Report Dr Crippen July 12, 2021 9:55 AM BST
There's a lot of luck in football, the bounce of the ball counts for a lot. Fooling the ref into giving a penalty is another, dives and getting unjustified free kicks along with intimidating the opposition.

There's none of that with penalties. It's one against the goalkeeper and the best side wins.

And the best side won last night.
Report Timber July 12, 2021 9:56 AM BST
I thought something similar to ice hockey would be good.

You get the back at the 30/40 yard line and then you have a one on one with the keeper. ONE shot , either a save or a goal
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 9:57 AM BST
The best side did win , although Italy were poor also
Report Dr Crippen July 12, 2021 9:57 AM BST
Rashford hit the ball to the proper side of the goal -
The keeper wasn’t there
That’s a good start - others were worse and the keeper saved


Absolutely, and with a bit more practice he's got the makings of a decent player.
Report Storm Alert July 12, 2021 9:59 AM BST
Sure is cruel if you are an English or Spanish fan. Every time England lose a shoot-out Sir Trevor Brooking is dragged out and spouts the usual nonsense that the pressure of taking a one can't be reproduced.

Penalties do involve skill. There is no excuse for some of the technical abhorrent penalties some of our players serve up. Keepers rarely save penalties smashed into either the left or right hand corner and never if high up. Our players should practice those to death and also if they can't consistently kick the ball firmly they should be at the back of the queue.

Shocking that Southgate thought it was a good idea for Saka to take the 5th pen ahead of more established experienced players like Sterling.
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 10:03 AM BST
It was an unbelievable decision , not only because Saka had hardly played international football
But also he is technically poor , and always will be
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 10:04 AM BST
Stirling is the same
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 10:06 AM BST
Good chance Stirling would have missed
Report GAZO July 12, 2021 10:09 AM BST
saka is obviously our best penalty taker in practise,you cant replicate the pressure until the moment and that goes for young and old players,you pick your best penalty takers and then hope
Report penzance July 12, 2021 10:10 AM BST
good job 3 missed,if just 1 had would've been terrible
for him.They're already getting abuse from Pr1cks online.
Report Timber July 12, 2021 10:11 AM BST

Jul 12, 2021 -- 4:10AM, penzance wrote:


good job 3 missed,if just 1 had would've been terriblefor him.They're already getting abuse from Pr1cks online.


They are bots trying to stir the pot

Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 10:14 AM BST
In truth it’s not easy and often the most skilful players fail
Wouldn’t blame anyone for missing
Report PorcupineorPineapple July 12, 2021 10:14 AM BST
Laugh
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 10:17 AM BST
If you look at the team overall there’s not enough leaders
They’re all too nice
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 10:24 AM BST
If you are standing in the wrong spot before you take a penalty , and if your run up is wrong , and if it is slightly off , your subconscious brain says whoooh what’s going on here .. it knows

And that is a problem right there
Report GAZO July 12, 2021 10:26 AM BST
whatever you have been taking has certainly done something to your brain
Report Dr Crippen July 12, 2021 10:28 AM BST
Pressure can turn a brilliant player into a little child.
But these players are used to pressure.

If they were any good they'd relish the chance to be put on the spot and display to the world how good they are.

''Look at me, I'll show you how to take a penalty.''

It's the job of the manager to put that element of confidence into his players.

These penalty missers are not men they're children, and not good enough to play for their country.
A footballer who misses a penalty shouldn't get paid
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 10:28 AM BST
cornflakes
Report Dr Crippen July 12, 2021 10:33 AM BST
Skulking up to the ball with their tails between their legs, no wonder they keep missing.
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 10:35 AM BST
That’s true dr c , you have to be cold blooded and be able to think clearly under pressure
In golf eg jack Nicklaus was the greatest in that way , his brain slows down when others speed up up into chaos !
Neil Armstrong was another who had the right stuff
Report Dr Crippen July 12, 2021 10:35 AM BST
They all need to man up and grow a pair.
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 10:37 AM BST
Jack Nicholas never missed a putt when it really mattered , or so he told himself and it was more true than anyone else
Report Storm Alert July 12, 2021 10:38 AM BST
GAZO - saka is obviously our best penalty taker in practise,you cant replicate the pressure until the moment and that goes for young and old players,you pick your best penalty takers and then hope

There is no excuse for some of the technical abhorrent penalties some of our players serve up. Pressure doesn't stop the best golfers hitting great shots, or tennis players, or crickets players...

For once I agree with Mourinho “In this situation, where was Raheem Sterling? “Where was John Stones? Where was Luke Shaw? Why didn’t Jordan Henderson or Kyle Walker stay on the pitch? “Because in reality it’s very, very hard for Marcus Rashford and Jadon Sancho to come and take a penalty after one touch on the ball. “But for Saka to have the destiny of a country on his shoulders… I think it’s too much.”
Report Pilsudski July 12, 2021 10:39 AM BST
Rashford penalty one of the top five worst of all time.
Report Dr Crippen July 12, 2021 10:39 AM BST
Nicklaus knew he was good.

Good players retain their composure under pressure. Real men don't flap.
Report Pilsudski July 12, 2021 10:40 AM BST
And another thing…….stuttering run-ups for penalties should be outlawed.
Report elisjohn July 12, 2021 10:40 AM BST
STERLING SHOULD CHANGE THAT SHOCKING GUN TATTOO FOR A WHITE FEATHER ONE
Report JC1326 July 12, 2021 10:56 AM BST

Jul 12, 2021 -- 3:59AM, Storm Alert wrote:


Sure is cruel if you are an English or Spanish fan. Every time England lose a shoot-out Sir Trevor Brooking is dragged out and spouts the usual nonsense that the pressure of taking a one can't be reproduced.Penalties do involve skill. There is no excuse for some of the technical abhorrent penalties some of our players serve up. Keepers rarely save penalties smashed into either the left or right hand corner and never if high up. Our players should practice those to death and also if they can't consistently kick the ball firmly they should be at the back of the queue.Shocking that Southgate thought it was a good idea for Saka to take the 5th pen ahead of more established experienced players like Sterling.


Good post.

If Southgate really did pick them he should be telling the likes of Sterling that you're on one and that's how it is. Arguably player of the tournament but can't take a penalty Confused

Report Dr Crippen July 12, 2021 10:57 AM BST
We wuz robbed.

They fielded 11 men and we fielded 11 children.
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 10:58 AM BST
Laugh. there’s some truth in that
Report kincsem July 12, 2021 11:02 AM BST
You can't have Sterling as a penalty taker.
He would run past the ball, as he always does, dive, and give a little scream.
Report penzance July 12, 2021 11:04 AM BST
they fielded 11 men and we fielded 11 children.
Total Sh1t.
Game finished 1-1 after extra time.
Report snowynoon July 12, 2021 11:05 AM BST
On the ,shouldve stuck with golden goal argument .the golden goal only meant if a goal was scored in extra time the game was over .If not ,you still had the penalty shoot out ,so wouldve made no difference last night.Plus ,Southgate totally messed up the choice of pen takers ,2 players who had just come on the pitch and hadnt had a kick ,and 1 ,Saka ,who has NEVER taken a penalty for his club ,Where is the media on that subject ? Not a word of criticism for the medias favourite manager .
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 11:06 AM BST
Sterling himself knows he’s not a good penalty taker ( because he doesn’t know how to kick a football properly )
So credit to himself at least for knowing that
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 11:14 AM BST
Southgate let him take a free kick just outside the box last match , madness
Right there you knew Southgate didn’t have a clue what he was doing
Report irishone July 12, 2021 11:15 AM BST
Obviously Southgate didn't want the players to be in the same position he was in 96.
Venables never planned for penalties
So asked for volunteers
Southgate said " I will take one if there is no one else wants it"
So he had his cop out and has had to live with the guilt.
Report Dr Crippen July 12, 2021 11:25 AM BST
I thought we'd finished with England players watering the pitch with their tears after Gazza went.
But there it was again last night.
Which tells us all we need to know about the England team.
Report Eric.Cartman July 12, 2021 11:33 AM BST
Southgate picked the penaly takers based on their kneeling ability imho
Report lfc1971 July 12, 2021 12:00 PM BST
Wokeness is a terrible disease - no wonder the country is in such a mess
Report smartpunter July 12, 2021 12:35 PM BST
wokeness can be interpreted in many different situations, i think  the Cambridge English Dictionary meaning would apply here.Yes things are getting worse not better.(BEING AWARE ESPECIALLY OF SOCIAL PROBLEMS SUCH AS RACISM AND INEQUALITY)
Report tobermory July 12, 2021 12:45 PM BST

Jul 12, 2021 -- 4:03AM, lfc1971 wrote:


It was an unbelievable decision , not only because Saka had hardly played international football But also he is technically poor , and always will be


Saka is technically one of England's best players. Penalties are just random, the big mistake was believing there is some 'science' to it and that England had cracked it with all their analysis. That's why they actually played for penalties.

Report rommel July 12, 2021 1:15 PM BST
muttley millionare,fit as ffff yet couldnt be arsed walking doon the shop to buy a thick sliced
Report posy July 12, 2021 2:47 PM BST
I've been a United supporter for over 65 years however my allegiance to the club doesn't stop me criticising our players and it's my opinion that since Rashford started getting into political and social issues his play has deteriorated to the extent that he hardly justifies being picked for his club let alone his country.
Southgate totally lost the plot in both extra time and the shoot out and his incompetence cannot be easily forgiven ;he should resign and let someone else get their feet under the table before the World cup.
Report Storm Alert July 12, 2021 4:18 PM BST
tobermory - Penalties are just random, the big mistake was believing there is some 'science' to it...

If it is just random, why do England keep losing in semi-finals and finals (30 years and counting)?
Report tobermory July 12, 2021 4:19 PM BST
Small sample size.
Report Coachbuster July 12, 2021 4:22 PM BST
It is random  but surely it must be better to belt the ball like the Harry's  against such a classy keeper rather then trying to 'outfox' him with weird stepovers etc
Report Giuseppe July 12, 2021 4:30 PM BST
when taking a penalty you need to do one of two things: either do something to send the keeper wrong way, or blast it into the corner (prefarably the top corner) so the keeper can't save it

what you can't do is shoot a weak, low shot that doesn't reach the corner

at least Rashford attempted to take a proper penalty, he just didn't execute it properly

Sancho bottled it: that is not how to take a penalty. does he do that in the Bundesliga? with a penalty like that you are just hoping the keeper goes the wrong way, if he doesn't he will always save a penalty like that.

I cut saka some slack because he isn't a regular penalty taker for his club and is younger than sancho, but that was also a poor penalty
Report sickoflayinwinners July 12, 2021 4:32 PM BST
its all technical bolll000x , troy deanery    blasts  the pens as hard as p[oss , if the keep goes the right way  even if he gets a hand to it invariably it still goes  in ,   deaneyDOESNT miss. no fred flagstone run up , no fancy   chips into the middle of the  goal   NOTHING FANCY
Report Giuseppe July 12, 2021 4:35 PM BST
by the way I thought the first Italian penalty was poor too and we got away with it
Report Giuseppe July 12, 2021 4:35 PM BST
still needs to be in the corner if blasted

if not in the corner keeper can save if he goes the right way
Report Giuseppe July 12, 2021 4:36 PM BST
with blasting there is also a risk of it going wide or over
Report Coachbuster July 12, 2021 4:37 PM BST
Pickford must feel gutted ,he was almost faultless throughout
Report Giuseppe July 12, 2021 4:38 PM BST
admittedly yes it's still harder to save i suppose

so speed, placed in the corner, or a trick to fool the keeepr

you need at least one of those
Report Giuseppe July 12, 2021 4:38 PM BST
Sancho and Saka didn't do any of that

no blast, corner or trick
Report Giuseppe July 12, 2021 4:39 PM BST
yes Pickford did very well
Report Storm Alert July 12, 2021 4:59 PM BST
Keepers never save penalties hit firmly up in the left or right corner. They know they can't get them so don't even try. The penalties they have a chance of saving are right footed bottom left or left footed bottom right. If the ball is not kicked with enough pace the spin curl is in their favour especially if it is along the ground. Many of England's misses fall into this category.

I don't know how they do it but if a player can actually wait until the keeper has moved and then put in the other side like Ronaldo does they rarely miss. Although I do remember Ronaldo tripping himself up and hardly kicking the ball forward when one keeper out psychic him and didn't move.
Report tobermory July 12, 2021 5:13 PM BST
That is what Rashford and Jorghino were trying last night
Report Giuseppe July 12, 2021 5:21 PM BST
a lot of the best penalty takers seem to slot it low into the corner, not necessarily with a lot of pace (Balotelli for example)

not sure what technique they use (foot or spin, or whetehr they trick the keeper)

Le Tissier had one of the best penalty records I think
Report Giuseppe July 12, 2021 5:22 PM BST
i may be wrong but blasting into top corner doesn't seem the preferred choice of regular penalty takers
Report Giuseppe July 12, 2021 5:23 PM BST
how often do you see a penalty blasted into top corner during a match (not a shootout)
Report snowynoon July 12, 2021 7:16 PM BST
A study was done a few years ago ,and the top corner blast is not your best bet when taking a penalty ,it is low in one of the corners ,reason being ,you can hit it too high ,but you cannot hit it too low .Science .
Report Storm Alert July 12, 2021 7:30 PM BST
Agree a lot of pen takers won't go high into the corners because of the risk of going too high. Shearer used to blast them into the top corners regularly and he would be one of the best and not far behind Le Tissier who scored 49/50 pens. The problem with going low is it has to be kicked firmly, off the ground is a good height for the keeper and along the ground the ball spin can curl the ball towards the post or worse.

I believe some players trick the keeper and watch which way they go and are capable of putting it in the other side. Don't know how they can adjust that quickly but Ronaldo seems to be able to put the ball in the other side nearly every time.
Report Storm Alert July 12, 2021 7:41 PM BST
Ronaldo pens 16 to 1 are nearly all on opposite side to where keeper goes and last five all up in the corners.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7Kub7V46A8

I wish there was video of  Matt Le Tissier's pens.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 12, 2021 7:46 PM BST
Brazillian Ronaldo in open play used to toe bunt from about 12 yards out and there was plenty of power in those shots.
Seemed accurate too
Try no run up and toe bunt in the corners.
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