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loui
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Report SontaranStratagem May 10, 2021 8:08 PM BST
Useless ain't the word
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 8:10 PM BST
back on. but can't place bets
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 8:10 PM BST
quite so Des. Things might improve !?
Report SontaranStratagem May 10, 2021 8:11 PM BST
No markets settling yet
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 8:12 PM BST
I was prevented from placing bets for 20 minutes during a game last week, but but no one else seemed to be affected.
Report Giuseppe May 10, 2021 8:13 PM BST
i cant place bets
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 8:13 PM BST
Beats me why so few people complain, it can't be just happening to some punters , but not others.
Report SontaranStratagem May 10, 2021 8:14 PM BST
Pi*s poor as usual but their idiots are on it Plain
Report tilted May 10, 2021 8:15 PM BST
Fulham have been stuck at 2.3 / 2.32 on my screen since the kick-off.
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 8:16 PM BST
There was an error processing your bet(s). Please confirm if the bet was placed in Open Bets tab

What use is that? Good job liability is only a tenner. Might be a lot more for some people
Report SontaranStratagem May 10, 2021 8:17 PM BST
Yes I got the same thing Des
Report tilted May 10, 2021 8:18 PM BST
I want to LAY Fulham.
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 8:20 PM BST
As long as it stays 0-0, I'm ok, but it will be very annoying if there is a late goal, and I've not been allowed to lay off. Sad
Report ThommosBucket May 10, 2021 8:22 PM BST
Good to see that planned maintenance went well this morning...
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 8:24 PM BST
Don't you lads think this is sabotage rather than anything else?
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 8:25 PM BST
incompetence seems more likely. And the fact that they don't care about customers.
Report gg123 May 10, 2021 8:26 PM BST
It does go on and on Angry
Report pushkin99 May 10, 2021 8:27 PM BST

May 10, 2021 -- 2:20PM, Des Pond wrote:


As long as it stays 0-0, I'm ok, but it will be very annoying if there is a late goal, and I've not been allowed to lay off.


Indeed Des Pond. That is my exact situation too. I feel very frustrated and let down by betfair, yet again...........................

Report SontaranStratagem May 10, 2021 8:27 PM BST
I think it could be sabotage, it happens far to often
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 8:27 PM BST
You're aware of this USA oil pipeline issue, I take it?
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 8:28 PM BST
yep, and there seems to be no comeback, pushkin. which is the most frustrating thing.
Report ThommosBucket May 10, 2021 8:29 PM BST
If it was sabotage they would tell us that as it gives them someone to blame. The fact it happens all the time and all we get is the usual "our engineers are working on it, we apologise for the inconvenience etc etc" suggests pure incompetence.

The fact they closed all their methods of contact except the laughable "livechat" is an indication of their thought processes.
Report SontaranStratagem May 10, 2021 8:29 PM BST
Number9 its all about to go down, "the pandemic will seem like a disruption when we do the next stage" < Klaus Schwab

But that's another subject
Report SontaranStratagem May 10, 2021 8:30 PM BST
Sabotage can mean something more in house, thommo
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 8:31 PM BST
Thommos, there isn't any firm on this planet who wants to admit their internet security is crap, and I can't think of any reason at all betfair would be any different. Of course it's a "technical issue", beats "We've been hacked by people cleverer than us " don't you think?
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 8:33 PM BST
By the way, SS, you can count me completely out of your fantasy conspiracy theories. Still think the USA election was stolen, don't you?
Report gg123 May 10, 2021 8:34 PM BST
"Most products on our site are now back up. Our tech team are working on the Exchange now. We apologise for the delay here. We will continue to provide updates as the situation progresses."

We have been knowing this for quite a while.
Report ThommosBucket May 10, 2021 8:34 PM BST
Think I will stick with a lack of investment as the number of bets processed increases, reduction in the number of IT staff and the use of more and more third parties to operate various parts of the site.
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 8:36 PM BST
Thommos, neither of us know, neither will we ever know, whichever it is.
Report Hank Hill May 10, 2021 8:36 PM BST
SS don't you get tired of conspiracy theories?

Any chance we'll get a bet on this match before the 90 are up? Sad
Report SontaranStratagem May 10, 2021 8:36 PM BST
Better stop replying to my comments then number9, block me

Clown
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 8:37 PM BST
there's the goal. I wonder what price I would've been able to lay my bet off at. If the fecking site was working!! Angry
Report Hank Hill May 10, 2021 8:38 PM BST
good job they suspended it Wink
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 8:39 PM BST
"Clown" I love your intellectual approach, mate. A really well-argued comment.
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 8:40 PM BST
I've got a fiver on Burnley at 365, so watch it end 1-1, and I'll lose twice.
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 8:42 PM BST
I think 1-1 would be a reasonable call, unfortunately, Des
Report cricketnut2 May 10, 2021 8:43 PM BST
Still not working, went to lay fulham at 2.32, just before the goal went in, thinking, that is a ridicously short price for a side that can't score a goal.
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 8:44 PM BST
Best not get a bet on, lads, cos it'll crash and there'll be no laying-off. Unless you don't intend to lay off, of course, each to their own
Report pushkin99 May 10, 2021 8:44 PM BST

May 10, 2021 -- 2:37PM, Des Pond wrote:


there's the goal. I wonder what price I would've been able to lay my bet off at. If the fecking site was working!!


its ridiculous. I am sitting on a lovely winning bet and unable to green up for a handsome profit.

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo frustrating. Why do I put up with this crockof sh1t.

Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 8:44 PM BST
probably, but if Burnley get a second they'll pay out early, would be a bit of compensation at least. we'll see.
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 8:45 PM BST
GL Des
Report pushkin99 May 10, 2021 8:45 PM BST
I hope so too Des Pond....................
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 8:45 PM BST
Just as I speak, at least I've won 12 quid at the bookies, if not on here.
Report Hank Hill May 10, 2021 8:46 PM BST
you're right no9 - will leave this alone now even if they get their act together
Report Hank Hill May 10, 2021 8:46 PM BST
ugh so annoying 0-2 now - useless bf
Report cricketnut2 May 10, 2021 8:48 PM BST

May 10, 2021 -- 2:44PM, Des Pond wrote:


probably, but if Burnley get a second they'll pay out early, would be a bit of compensation at least. we'll see.


Des Pond, money saved then, as Fulham won't be scoring 2 goals in 1 game

Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 8:48 PM BST
best to be cautious, I think this happened to me during a game last week, although nobody else seemed to be affected, which would suggest it could easily happen again.
Report gg123 May 10, 2021 8:48 PM BST
Im asking myself, is this the time to finnally drop betfair. I cant just with live the fact being caught in the middle of a trade and without any chance to get out. F*** you betfair.
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 8:49 PM BST
cheers, cricketnut. I think they pay out early if your team goes 2 up. Cool
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 8:51 PM BST
are bettdak any better, though? consensus seems to be that liquidity is poor. but if enough people defect it could improve .
Report Giuseppe May 10, 2021 8:52 PM BST
don't forget you can lay off using the sportsbook
Report gg123 May 10, 2021 8:57 PM BST
@Giuseppe - I have in fact done, what you advice. There is unfortunately an amount that I set on hold inplay and that I cant remove. So only the part not on hold I have arbed at the sportsbook.
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 9:00 PM BST
arbing is all very well, but you have to cover alternative scores at poor prices, It's nowhere near as effective as laying off after the price has dropped
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 9:04 PM BST
if you hedge 0-1, 1-1 and 1-0 to cover your 0-0, you could end up losing even more if it goes 0-2 or 0-3 or any other score.
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 9:06 PM BST
Still no bets can be accepted
Report Giuseppe May 10, 2021 9:11 PM BST
working now
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 9:12 PM BST
it was back for a second, I was just about to readjust when they supended it again. Sad
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 9:12 PM BST
Don't go there, Giuseppe, for your own good, unless you don't intend to arb, in which case you've got nothing to lose.
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 9:13 PM BST
see what Des posted, simultaneously
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 9:14 PM BST
suspended again, couldn't be more infuriating if they tried!
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 9:17 PM BST
Des, give it up, mate, and keep your blood pressure sensible. You know enough to know there will be thousands of betting opportunities when the machine is fixed. Cool it (for your own good)
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 9:19 PM BST
yes, number9, you are right.
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 9:20 PM BST
Good man. Earlier tonight I had a bet I was ready to close when the site crashed. It never came back until the match was over, in this particular case I got lucky, but I know exactly how you're feeling once you've put a bet on and can't organise it. But don't, now, think of a new bet.
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 9:21 PM BST
Only a small amount in my case, but there must be some punters with much larger amounts that they can see diappearing before their eyes, unable to do anything about it.
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 9:21 PM BST
True Des but nothing we can do for them.
Report RioGrande May 10, 2021 9:25 PM BST
what the **** is going on with porto markets
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 9:26 PM BST
Rio the site's in strife, keep off.
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 9:27 PM BST
it's back now, but too risky to get involved
Report G Hall May 10, 2021 9:29 PM BST
Seems fine now
Report RioGrande May 10, 2021 9:29 PM BST
its back on
Report RioGrande May 10, 2021 9:29 PM BST
**** it too risky for any big bets
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 9:33 PM BST
Plenty betting opportunities in the future, lads, take a pull.
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 9:34 PM BST
Bye bye Fulham
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 9:36 PM BST
EPL should make relegation clauses compulsory in all contracts, saves the need for parachute payments which are incredibly disruptive of Championship club finances.
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 9:40 PM BST
Wow! I just thought of that, and the more I think about it the better it gets! (pats own back)
Report Des Pond May 10, 2021 9:41 PM BST
crashed again, so just as well to stay away. Plain
Report Aspro May 10, 2021 9:41 PM BST
Sporting Index also down
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 9:42 PM BST
Interesting, Aspro
Report RioGrande May 10, 2021 9:43 PM BST
totally fcuked
Report lurka May 10, 2021 9:46 PM BST
Compulsory relegation clauses would mean bottom half clubs would have to pay players more in wages to compensate for the risk of relegation, thereby making it harder for them to compete with other PL clubs
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 9:47 PM BST
lurka, nothing's perfect. Make this clause compulsory for Man City. Liverpool etc, in other words every contract, as I suggested. Covers your point, I believe
Report SontaranStratagem May 10, 2021 9:49 PM BST
I'm done tonight can't risk any money on these games now
Report Number9 May 10, 2021 9:49 PM BST
Wise call, SS.
Report SontaranStratagem May 10, 2021 9:54 PM BST
If its just a bet your doing to ride out regardless that's fine but you can't risk trading on this site lately
Report gg123 May 10, 2021 10:14 PM BST
I had the luck despite I was caught in some trades without the possibility to trade out and I had a certain amount on hold, when the system broke down and I could not remove it. I did not do the part arbitage trade on the sportsbook correctly, the amount was to high. Therefore I expected a loss. I was saved because of the reason I apparently have earned some bonus points to use on the sportsbook without my knowlegde, because I am only very rarely using the sportbook. So it ended up with a little surplus on the day, but I admit, I will so absolutely have prefered not to experience such "an excitement" this evening..
Report lurka May 10, 2021 10:14 PM BST

May 10, 2021 -- 3:47PM, Number9 wrote:


lurka, nothing's perfect. Make this clause compulsory for Man City. Liverpool etc, in other words every contract, as I suggested. Covers your point, I believe


No it doesn't. My point referred to bottom half clubs, yours referred to the two favourites for the league.

For a club coming up into the PL like Fulham, they would have to offer a player extra money to join them compared to a mid-table club as the risk of relegation, and a pay cut, is greater. That makes it harder for them to compete with other PL clubs and means it's even more likely that they will go down as they won't be able to afford players they otherwise would. That distorts competition in the PL and makes it even harder for them to stay up.

Report SontaranStratagem May 10, 2021 10:32 PM BST

May 10, 2021 -- 4:14PM, lurka wrote:


May 10, 2021 --  8:47PM, Number9 wrote:lurka, nothing's perfect. Make this clause compulsory for Man City. Liverpool etc, in other words every contract, as I suggested. Covers your point, I believeNo it doesn't. My point referred to bottom half clubs, yours referred to the two favourites for the league.For a club coming up into the PL like Fulham, they would have to offer a player extra money to join them compared to a mid-table club as the risk of relegation, and a pay cut, is greater. That makes it harder for them to compete with other PL clubs and means it's even more likely that they will go down as they won't be able to afford players they otherwise would. That distorts competition in the PL and makes it even harder for them to stay up.


And when dropping back down they get a massive financial advantage over about 18 or 19 Championship clubs, thus yo yoing year in year out and the same clubs being promoted back

Next season its probably going to be Fulham and WBA being top 2 comfortably and Sheff United possibly making the playoffs and going up through that if luck is on their side

The 3 relegated side are going to be Watford, Norwich and the winners of the playoff are going to finish rock bottom with not a cat in hells chance

Report SontaranStratagem May 10, 2021 10:32 PM BST
Its a joke now
Report lurka May 10, 2021 11:07 PM BST
How is that going to change if you have relegation clauses? The clubs who go down have to sell players, the championship becomes more competitive, yes, but only because the best teams lose players and get worse. Then the teams who come up are even lower standard and have even more chance of going back down.

You'll get the same in the PL with relegation clauses, you'll effectively be penalising teams who are favs for relegation as they will have to pay a premium to get players to join them compared to established PL clubs. You'll effectively be penalising them financially at the start of the season during the transfer window and then penalising them again at the end by relegating them. It will create a massive divide between top and bottom half PL teams and make it even more of a closed shop in the PL, harder for established PL teams to get relegated and even harder for promoted clubs to stay up. The best players on teams who barely survive will be looking to move to better PL clubs to avoid the possibility of relegation clauses and a pay cut the next season etc etc

You haven't thought through the consequences.
Report SontaranStratagem May 10, 2021 11:44 PM BST
The relegated teams don't have to sell players because of the parachute payments

Norwich and Watford literally kept their squad and added to it, Bournemouth also didn't sell anyone, they let Ibe go on a free (cost them 20m?) which is exactly what the EFL is chasing Derby for right now ffs, letting players go for less than paid for them.. the whole system stinks to high heaven.
Report Aspro May 11, 2021 11:43 AM BST
Here we go again
Report Aspro May 11, 2021 11:47 AM BST
It's gotten so bad now that the spread companies are running a spread on how many times Betfair crashes today. Current price 5-7 and I'm a buyer! Devil
Report ericster May 11, 2021 11:50 AM BST
Ohhh dear, now what? just as well I'm not playing.
Report ALIEN SEX FIEND May 11, 2021 11:52 AM BST
Luckily Sportsbook survived Laugh
Report ericster May 11, 2021 11:53 AM BST
As it does.
Report ALIEN SEX FIEND May 11, 2021 11:56 AM BST
11.55 Fairview. Looking at no to be placed market and noticed Africas Rock 1/100 3pl and same 4pl..............
Report ALIEN SEX FIEND May 11, 2021 11:56 AM BST
^^ note the above prices were to be placed ^^
Report lurka May 11, 2021 11:57 AM BST
looks to be back now
Report ALIEN SEX FIEND May 11, 2021 12:00 PM BST
Typical I was tossing up between lay OWNYOURFATE or Place AL QAASIM, hanging on to see the markets. Oh well if you hang around fate/betfair pokes you in the eye.
Report ericster May 11, 2021 12:32 PM BST
Lol AL FIE.
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