Apr 20, 2021 -- 8:04PM, lurka wrote:
We've saved nothing. Woodward and Agnelli leaving means nothing, the same guys are in control. Agnelli owns Juve FFS.There is no way there are penalty clauses for leaving. JP Morgan haven't lent any money, I doubt there is even a loan offer. There are no contracts, nobody in their right mind would sign anything binding like that. Who gets all the fines money otherwise? Perez? It's not even his idea it's the yanks.We are being played by the media. The way the story came out within 5 minutes in about 5 different media sources across the globe with stories already written says that they are PR stories by paid 'journalists', including the ones who were critical. If it was genuine they have tweeted it and said story to follow. There was no 'exclusive' story or scoop. What does that say to you?And the difference with Chelsea/City owners is that they are not in it for the money. Abramovich is more like a fan at this stage, if he wanted money out of CHelsea he wouldn't have written off all his debt, the CIty owners are more concerned about reputation and image. They are in it for other reasons. I believe they agreed at the last minute when the others approached them because they thought it was better in than out. It's the yanks and the debt ridden Spanish clubs but the yanks have them on board because of their finances. The yanks are out of touch but not that much that they think this was a goer. You think they didn't take advice from people more in the know than them before doing this?Get them all out. It's now or never. The media will discourage it though, they are all on the books and part of the gravy train.
The more I sit and think this whole story just stinks, as you say the way it just popped up out of nowhere, the media hyperbole in getting everyone up in arms about it, Gary Neville and the others... Its been one big con ffs
We'll find out what purpose this has been for down the line but the whole thing stinks to high heaven, within 48 hours its literally gone from "end of our sport" to "we saved football"... been played like fiddles, they even had them down there "protesting" outside the grounds ffs
Trust me you've won nothing, they've played the masses like an instrument here and at this moment we don't exactly know why its been done but we'll find out.
Apr 21, 2021 -- 1:58AM, sageform wrote:
It is hard to believe that some of these chief execs seriously believed that the public or the Government would support this. They really must be out of touch with their public. As far as the future is concerned I think that the 36 club Champions League proposal is ever worse. More games each season, more player burn out and injury etc.
imagine effect on 2022 wc, when starts in november, going to be a long season
Apr 21, 2021 -- 4:39AM, Life-Lucky wrote:
Well, that gave everyone a couple of days on their high horses. Pity they didn't get so agitated about cheating, kneeling, nine subs on the bench, VAR, 7 minutes stoppage time when Arsenal and the Big Teams are a goal-down etc etc etc
Or the Covid restrictions/laws imposed
Apr 21, 2021 -- 7:36AM, chipbutty wrote:
This is the time while feelings are running high to have a real go at changing the road football's been going down for 30 years, namely money ruining the game. Whilst this fiasco seemed to come out of the blue, it was an just another inevitable stop along the same road and I agree with people saying this is far from over, as long as money is the be all and end all for this sport, the leeches will always be trying to bleed more and more.It won't be easy to change, going backwards is totally foreign to most people and certainly is for these so called forward thinking money men. It will be hard because since the inception of the Premier League and SKY's involvement, a full generation of fans have grown up believing that football as it is now is how it's always been and always will be. The older generations like myself know this is not the case.It boils down to this. The last few days have proven that the average everyday fan is still THE most important aspect of the game in this country, these bastards with all their money and power couldn't roll over the average man in the street when their will is strong and united. So we as fans have to decide whether we want to let football to continue down this same path, because if we do, then we can't complain when something like this inevitably happens again.Has this age of mega money in the game made it a more exciting sport, I think I'd speak for most of my generation if I said 100% no. The English game in particular was envied for it's pace and excitement and it's very important to remember that even with teams filled almost exclusively with British players we still regularly dominated Europe. But not with same clubs every year, but clubs like Notts Forest and Villa had their time and other clubs outside the big 5 had genuine hopes that they could achieve the same. In the 30 years since the inception of the Premier we've had 1 year and 1 club that's broke the monopoly of the money clubs and that's Leicester (Blackburn were as rich as any when they won it). All the top teams are full of foreign players playing the game at walking pace for the most part on pristine pitches with hardly a tough tackle in sight. Do we look forward, I mean really look forward to watching a big game on the telly now there's 30 on a week? When you had 1 big game on a Sunday, it was an event, it meant something, now it's just another game. Has the joy and anticipation of getting to an FA cup final at Wembley gone up since someone decided it was a good idea to play the semi's there? No way, it's just diluted the whole day and in fact the whole competition. Has the match day experience for the fan become more exciting since we've moved to all seater soulless stadiums with little or no atmosphere most of the time? Absolutely not. If you're a fan of a club outside the big 6 do you still have the same realistic dreams that someday you'll be able to compete with them, if only for a season or two? Absolutely not.I could go on all day with examples of how the game has become less exciting and less competitive since mega money has come into the game and while I fully understand that money has always played a part and the big City clubs have generally dominated the smaller ones, we've got to a point now where the gap is so large that hope for these smaller clubs or I should say poorer clubs, is as good as dead.So here we are, if we allow or accept that money will dominate the game for now and always then we accept that what happened on Sunday, probably in a different format will happen again and you may as well do away with any club that's not part of the elite. Stop the road we're going down, put it in reverse and get back to the more important values of the game before it's too late.
I think you are over exaggerating the differences between now and say 30 years ago. As a young City fan I can remember never having any expectations to win anything and accepting being in the shadows of the "rich" clubs including United, Pool, RM, Barca, Bayern and co. Nothing has changed much since then, it's just different clubs to the original cartel, and the original cartel doesn't like it.
Apr 21, 2021 -- 7:36AM, scandanavian_haven wrote:
what's the points in sanctions, points deductions? no European football? all that does is punish the fans as well. Even if you fined them heavily, if you could, that's less money on buying players or top players wages.
Never stopped them punishing Luton, Wigan, Leeds etc over the years, sent many teams out of the league and they didn't care about their fans so why should these 6 be any different ?
Apr 21, 2021 -- 6:09PM, TheBetterBettor wrote:
We go again...
The whole super league thing is here to stay, they just sold it as something for 12 clubs, whereas it'll be the main global clubs (about 50 or 60 will survive) that will stay and join other leagues that's all
Its hard to explain without spinning people heads out, but their wont be clubs like Derby, Forest, Sheff Weds etc when its all come in, that "era" is finished, there wont be a league 1 or 2 or none league, it'll be prem 1 and prem 2 with prem 2 being the feeder club league.
People have already been sold the idea with the super league they just don't know it yet, that was a smoke screen and deliberately sold as s*ite