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scandanavian_haven
21 Nov 20 18:59
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Wenger was a good manager for 10 years at Arsenal, then turned to pot the next 10 years faffing about with philosophies, ideology, passing game regardless of opposition every game played the same way, game caught him. Same thing with Pep, great first 10 years but now obsession with possession seems dated, looks like another run of the mill manager.

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By:
G Hall
When: 21 Nov 20 19:35
Overated manager he has become clueless because he never had a plan B, Messi, xavi and iniesta meant he didn't need one.
By:
ProSniper
When: 21 Nov 20 19:39
Still better to have more like minded managers as them than the many pragmatists who suck the life out the game.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 21 Nov 20 20:05
The pragmatists who've spent about 1 billion less on players since he came to the country, I somehow think they'd be more expansive with the same budget.
By:
Wesdag
When: 21 Nov 20 20:29
indeed
By:
tobermory
When: 21 Nov 20 20:30
They wouldn't be. Managers get success from a certain way of playing and so they stick with it.

Moyes was hardly more expansive at Man United. He played low risk, keep it tight stuff, at Everton and has the same gameplan everywhere else.
By:
ProSniper
When: 21 Nov 20 21:03
Borehinho is the #1 pragmatist. How much has that boring cunnt spent??
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 21 Nov 20 21:22
Most managers cut their cloth accordingly, some of the elder managers are of their generation with their 442's and whatnot,  Moyes is a typical dinosaur from that era. You give every manager the same budget and you wont get the same football, how could you, they'd be out of a job, just like Moyes was at United.
By:
sparrow
When: 21 Nov 20 21:29
Funny how Moyes get into every conversation. Much better to talk about Guardiola and the other billion pound spenders who end up as failures.
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tobermory
When: 21 Nov 20 22:46
I don't see evidence of this managers 'cutting their cloth accordingly'.

They have a way of playing that they stick with wherever. Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool played open and attacking, but he did the same at Swansea who were expected to be fighting relegation.

If Pulis was at Barcelona they would be keeping it tight and trying to score headers from set pieces.
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scandanavian_haven
When: 21 Nov 20 23:11
he'd be sacked in a heartbeat, only managers who could go there are managers who agree to play a certain way, Mourinho at Porto was different to Mourinho at Chelsea, Chelsea were a very good attacking team, scored plenty of goals, and at Madrid, was different at United though, not sure why, think because he did not get the players he wanted, spent big but really wanted the likes of Bale at the time.
By:
tobermory
When: 21 Nov 20 23:28
Mourinho game is based on solid defence and trusting 3 or 4 players to create and score. He has always had some plan of attack.

It's different from the outlook that you start with 0-0 and defend that while trying to nick a goal from a set piece.

Of course Pulis would never be given a job with a huge club, precisely because he wouldn't 'cut his cloth', but would stick to what has worked for him.

Because these managers that radically change up their styles epending on club don't really exist.

To be challenging for the title you need to win 3/4 of your games and the best way to do that is to have a gameplan that enables you to dominate almost every match. You cannot win at that rate if you are keeping it tight and trying to nick goals, as most of your games will be close and need incredible luck to win 75%.

Rodgers got the Liverpool job because they figured the way Swansea played, scaled up financially, could produce a title challenge level team, which it did for one season at least.
By:
tobermory
When: 21 Nov 20 23:31
I think it's too soon to say about Pep, but you could be right, as most of the great managers only have 10 great years, and then what worked for them is figured out, or what worked was dependent on unique players that can't be replaced.
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scandanavian_haven
When: 21 Nov 20 23:34
I'm not talking about managers suddenly making radical philosophical changes, you do have either a more offensive or defensive mindset but the point I was making is that managers do cut their cloth accordingly when playing teams with very big budgets, you see against City the last few years. If managers like Chris Wilder had as much money as Pep to spend and bought players of similar quality you are not going to get the same football match you'd have got beforehand.
By:
tobermory
When: 21 Nov 20 23:39
Wilder has some radical ideas so could maybe do well at a higher level.

But the classic 40 point merchant is never going to play expansive football whether they have more or less money than the opposition.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 21 Nov 20 23:44
You would find they would indeed play more attacking football with far higher quality players, Steve Bruce plays with 5 at the back at time, he would not be doing that with so much quality at say City.

Guardiola has a great record but it's not a coincidence he's managed Barca with Messi/Xavi/Iniesta/Henry/Eto'o etc, Bayern who'd just won the treble and City rich club on earth, and he's praised for not playing introvertedly lol.
By:
tobermory
When: 21 Nov 20 23:51
Well I'm just saying I can't think of any examples of managers who managed at different levels adopted different styles.

Big Ron managed all sorts of clubs and always tried a fast attacking game, whether in title challenges or relegation battles.

If Pep was at Burnley he would be trying tiki taka. Not sure how well it would go but he wouldn't be parking the bus.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 22 Nov 20 00:17
And I'm just saying Pep is a chequebook manager and millions of managers would play expansive given the money and players, Pep would soon be in league 2 playing tika taka with Burnley players
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scandanavian_haven
When: 22 Nov 20 00:20
that's because managers rarely jump from shoestring budget to working under a multi billionaire!
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 22 Nov 20 00:21
I've also already said that yes manager have either offensive or defensive mindsets

but if Steve Bruch had the same budget and the same quality as Man City he would not be playing 5 at the back and would not stick 10 men behind the ball as happens on multiple occasions v them over the years.
By:
tobermory
When: 22 Nov 20 00:39
He still would imo
By:
Flemenstar
When: 04 May 21 22:02
this guy can't stop talking about Pep!
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 04 May 21 22:07
what was the purpose of bumping this thread, is it suppose to be some sort of counter argument or something. Must have taken you an age to find it.

they are topical, kept hearing he's the best ever, do not see the harm in debating that when it's not clear cut.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 04 May 21 22:08
'this guy' also makes salient points, (if I don't mind saying so myself), you are free to have your own opinion
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Capt__F
When: 04 May 21 22:14
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