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Wrexham v Maidenhead, 9 different over/under goal markets, no Correct Score market.
All the non in play Colombia Primera B games have a Correct Score market, the one fixture that is actually listed to go in play doesn't have a Correct Score market.
Guatemalan League, Communicaiones v Antigua, listed as in play, 9 different over/under goal markets, no Correct Score market.
Sweden Division 1, Qviding v Varnamo, listed as in play, 9 different over/under goal markets, no Correct Score market.
Israel Leumit league, none of the fixtures even listed on what is a day with very little football.
Yesterday's Serbian Prva liga games didn't get listed, today's games are listed.
Every market should be up 48 hrs before kick off. No one knows which leagues, games or markets are going to be available from one day to the next.
All the non in play Colombia Primera B games have a Correct Score market, the one fixture that is actually listed to go in play doesn't have a Correct Score market.
Guatemalan League, Communicaiones v Antigua, listed as in play, 9 different over/under goal markets, no Correct Score market.
Sweden Division 1, Qviding v Varnamo, listed as in play, 9 different over/under goal markets, no Correct Score market.
Israel Leumit league, none of the fixtures even listed on what is a day with very little football.
Yesterday's Serbian Prva liga games didn't get listed, today's games are listed.
Every market should be up 48 hrs before kick off. No one knows which leagues, games or markets are going to be available from one day to the next.
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I did notice this and this will prick Aspro's ears for sure ...i'm assuming the reason for this ,in fact i'm convinced is that they want all the 'in play correct score ' players on the Harrogate league One match ...the other leagues don't have enough rival traffic to make a difference ...they may as well keep them open .
This is to get the markerts more vibrant again ... I havce noticed gaps in correct score on these type of games that didn't exist once upon a time
This is to get the markerts more vibrant again ... I havce noticed gaps in correct score on these type of games that didn't exist once upon a time
the other thing they may do is add it very close to the time ...this is going to be a new thing .
even the premier league games don't always have correct score markets up in advance (of late)
even the premier league games don't always have correct score markets up in advance (of late)
look at the premier league games for late October and you will see a lot of markets missing .
You're right Coach, this did grab my attention. Something is going down with all the changes and it certainly doesn't appear to be in our favour.
I'm forever the optimist Aspro 
and like to think it will be of benefit to the punter in some shape .. I can't see the point of it otherwise unless they slowly wish to cull a lot of the smaller games as a business decision . I have no idea how much it costs to put a market up and have a feed etc .
One thing i am pleased about over the years are the new markets ... a lot of them didn't exist in 2008 and i think they're pretty popular overall
and like to think it will be of benefit to the punter in some shape .. I can't see the point of it otherwise unless they slowly wish to cull a lot of the smaller games as a business decision . I have no idea how much it costs to put a market up and have a feed etc . One thing i am pleased about over the years are the new markets ... a lot of them didn't exist in 2008 and i think they're pretty popular overall
I've noticed at the minute they have Colchester res v Ipswich reserves (my local 2 teams 
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they have all the markets showing and it's in play ...but where the hell is the live feed coming from ?
)they have all the markets showing and it's in play ...but where the hell is the live feed coming from ?
I'm not an in play man as I don't really trust the site. I don't really understand why games that are deemed worthy enough to go in play don't end up with a Correct Score market though, even if it closes at kick off.
It's exhausting trying to work out which games will appear, won't appear, what markets will be available or unavailable. There's no coherence.
Adding stuff at the last minute becomes a self fulfilling prophecy of failure, markets don't get formed, punters have long since taken their bets to somewhere where the market exists if possible, then nothing essentially gets matched.
Working to a 48 hour window of listing everything available that is going to be available would provide some much needed clarity.
It's exhausting trying to work out which games will appear, won't appear, what markets will be available or unavailable. There's no coherence.
Adding stuff at the last minute becomes a self fulfilling prophecy of failure, markets don't get formed, punters have long since taken their bets to somewhere where the market exists if possible, then nothing essentially gets matched.
Working to a 48 hour window of listing everything available that is going to be available would provide some much needed clarity.
NOW THEY'VE ADDED THE EGYPTIAN GAMES TO THE OVER 4.5 REDUCTION!
Those are definitely additions and although not the highest scoring games out there, when they do produce the odds are quite lucrative however; the Serbian games are left alone and... wait for it... the Egyptian 2nd division! Look at the money placed on the games currently all recently started and the reductions apply to the biggest earners... WHY???
Those are definitely additions and although not the highest scoring games out there, when they do produce the odds are quite lucrative however; the Serbian games are left alone and... wait for it... the Egyptian 2nd division! Look at the money placed on the games currently all recently started and the reductions apply to the biggest earners... WHY???
You asked for proof coach well there it is. Egyptian top division restricted, lower division open to all goals. I can't be optimistic about that 
They should have all the goals markets on one page like Total Goals used to be, but have the normal increments instead of the hundredths all the way up to 1000 approach of before. All the liquidity would be on one page instead of spread across 5, 7 or 9.
''Adding stuff at the last minute becomes a self fulfilling prophecy of failure, markets don't get formed, punters have long since taken their bets to somewhere where the market exists if possible, then nothing essentially gets matched.''
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I think that could be the genaral plan sumo...with so many betting sites now and so many markets everything has become diluted ... I'm guessing the emphasis now is looking after the bigger games or the biggest games on the day and keeping them healthy
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I think that could be the genaral plan sumo...with so many betting sites now and so many markets everything has become diluted ... I'm guessing the emphasis now is looking after the bigger games or the biggest games on the day and keeping them healthy
The biggest games currently being played are restricted and with two goals in the first 30 minutes the market is already dead for speculators of high goals. I just can't figure out the logic behind it.
Aspro ,have taken a look and yes that is well weird 
I really have no idea .... it's a puzzler ...it's like they've chosen at random ... I see your point now
The reserve game is hardly a big match to funnel off to
I really have no idea .... it's a puzzler ...it's like they've chosen at random ... I see your point now
The reserve game is hardly a big match to funnel off to
If you want to raise that smile a little more take a look at the Division 2 results. I'll save you the bother; it's an unders paradise 
look at the FC Duren v Bayern Munich market for Thurdsay and there is not much at all on that one
Not only recent, but a worsening one too! Never noticed Egyptian games until today.
egypt2 certainly is one for the unders but found this curious result
20/02/10 El Daklyeh 5 : 2 Al Zarka HT 0 : 0
yep, 0-0 at half time and (SEVEN) SECOND HALF GOALS
20/02/10 El Daklyeh 5 : 2 Al Zarka HT 0 : 0
yep, 0-0 at half time and (SEVEN) SECOND HALF GOALS
You found that needle!
One thing I have noticed is that this appears to affect the games where goals are possible, although top leagues and most English leagues are left alone, for now. Leagues where goals are not as likely, appear to be unaffected. Funny that; it's as if they are reducing the games where it is possible to make a few quid, which you would imagine they would try to promote.
One thing I have noticed is that this appears to affect the games where goals are possible, although top leagues and most English leagues are left alone, for now. Leagues where goals are not as likely, appear to be unaffected. Funny that; it's as if they are reducing the games where it is possible to make a few quid, which you would imagine they would try to promote.
I didn't know half these games existed on here Aspro lad ... I wonder if they had many goals when Salah played over there
Peru and Russian second tier had Correct Score markets last week, gone this.
loads of games today first halft markets removed, any particula reason? really cant get it
Just seen someone been on chat and betfair have said they have permanently removed cs markets on some leagues.
A very strange decision. It's normally the 3rd most matched market after match odds and over 2.5, for many games it is the 2nd most matched market. If Correct score is going you'd have to expect a long term move to just match odds and over 2.5 for many leagues.
I think 2.5 will always be safe ...correct score with loads of empty boxes probably not a great look ...just looking at FA cup Maldon v Tiptree ...(actually walking distance between those two )
more matched on the over 2,5 than on matched odds even ,just over a 1k
that could be the low figure ...less than 1k matched by half time or it's curtains ...they'll make very little on that as it is
) more matched on the over 2,5 than on matched odds even ,just over a 1k
that could be the low figure ...less than 1k matched by half time or it's curtains ...they'll make very little on that as it is
"next goal" missing from tomorrow's England game but available on "Once Caldas v Cucuta Deportivo"
In think that suggests that many of these unusual decisions may be mistakes--although very little is matched on "next goal" market
even for the biggest games.
even for the biggest games.
Egypt Premier had Correct Score on Monday, doesn't have it today.
Norway 1st Division had Correct Score on Sunday, doesn't have it today.
I'm wondering if all these little niggles might not be a result of some cost-cutting exercise.
There's this issue with the goals mkts.
Someone else has a problem with no correct score mkts. I don't play in this one but it's a mkt that I like to keep an eye on.
And I would like the scorelines on the inplay coupon to be updated as the goals happen.
Just a thought.
There's this issue with the goals mkts.
Someone else has a problem with no correct score mkts. I don't play in this one but it's a mkt that I like to keep an eye on.
And I would like the scorelines on the inplay coupon to be updated as the goals happen.
Just a thought.
Oct 12, 2020 -- 7:38PM, inner city sumo wrote:
Peru and Russian second tier had Correct Score markets last week, gone this.
I'm looking at one now.
Dinamo Barnaud.
Not really bothered about that though.
That's the Russian third tier. Does it have a Correct Score market for you?
barnaul CS not for me. Must be cost cutting related as abovementioned... Worse what is bothering me are markets when o4.5 is max when game foes inplay. I like betting late goals. What when they score five? Not an option to place a bet for another one, "Next To Score" no liquidity usually.
Oct 14, 2020 -- 11:01AM, inner city sumo wrote:
That's the Russian third tier. Does it have a Correct Score market for you?
No.
Tbh honest I don't know if Russian third tier previously had Correct Score, but the second tier definitely did last week and didn't this. Egyptian Premier has had Correct Score all year, including Monday, today it's gone.
I can't see it as a cost cutting measure since it's one of the three biggest markets. My gut instinct is there's a significant technological issue when markets are getting loaded. Earlier in the week some smaller games were getting more markets than others in the same division (see Colombia B in my opening post).
I can't see it as a cost cutting measure since it's one of the three biggest markets. My gut instinct is there's a significant technological issue when markets are getting loaded. Earlier in the week some smaller games were getting more markets than others in the same division (see Colombia B in my opening post).
it's probably an exercise to see how the markets react to the changes before making wholesale changes and some 'Beeching style' ammendments ...they figure by losing a market means those punters will choose another market in theory so no losses by closing markets and the pool of money is more concentrated
the danger by closing them completely is that the said punters would then go over to the green site so that won't happen .
i'm looking at the J league and even in that league liquidity is terrible
At least one of the J League games had more matched on Correct Score than on Match Odds before kick off. All the others were consistently 2nd or 3rd highest matched market before kick off.
That happens with the goals mkts in the less popular matches.
The amount matched shown on the coupon refers only to the match mkt.
There can be just a few hundred matched in the match mkt and thousands in a goals mkt.
The amount matched shown on the coupon refers only to the match mkt.
There can be just a few hundred matched in the match mkt and thousands in a goals mkt.
I've just had a livechat message with customer services and there was very much a vibe of 'the customer is always wrong' about the dialogue. Any possible technical issue with loading the markets was disregarded out of hand. The absence of any market was palmed off as a trading decision, even when incongruous with fixtures of two days ago in the same league, and even in the face of the various inconsistencies observed, such as the Colombian B Primera where even within the same league on the same day, the only game listed as in play, and most liquid game, had the fewest markets available. They did say they would forward my comments to the trading team.
'The amount matched shown on the coupon refers only to the match mkt.'
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
The amount matched on the main coupon is only match odds, it doesn't include correct score, goals etc, but it does give an indication of where the money is going, which is why I personally am bemused with it all. A few days back, the clear winners of the matched odds on display were two Egyptian games, yet they both had the least markets. I repeat myself in saying that none of this makes any sense at all.
I wasn't looking at the main coupon though, I was within the specific Correct Score market.
Oct 14, 2020 -- 12:01PM, inner city sumo wrote:
I've just had a livechat message with customer services and there was very much a vibe of 'the customer is always wrong' about the dialogue. Any possible technical issue with loading the markets was disregarded out of hand. The absence of any market was palmed off as a trading decision, even when incongruous with fixtures of two days ago in the same league, and even in the face of the various inconsistencies observed, such as the Colombian B Primera where even within the same league on the same day, the only game listed as in play, and most liquid game, had the fewest markets available. They did say they would forward my comments to the trading team.
It is what it is, take it or leave it basically.
Yep. Customer Services are just drilled to dish out the same stock responses. Even if a customer has uncovered a technical problem it's policy just to style it out. I can't think of many businesses that have the contempt for their customer base that Betfair does.
Personally I think it will Betfair's loss. Some people like certain markets and predominantly play those; if they disappear, so does the punter imo
Oct 14, 2020 -- 12:37PM, Aspro wrote:
Personally I think it will Betfair's loss. Some people like certain markets and predominantly play those; if they disappear, so does the punter imo
Yep, and that's a shame because where else can the punter go?
I think most of these markets cost them Aspro ...and if they did make them a profit it would be insignifcant in the big scheme imo ...i can see a time when there will be just the showpiece games on here .
Their main efforts surely will be with the sportsbook/paddy power and maybe they can just use the exchange to lay off liabities and also profit in on the big sporting events .
I hope the exchange stays healthy as the alternatives are pretty ramshackle out there ...any new exchange will have no chance and alternative exchanges aren't popular for a very good reason .
Their main efforts surely will be with the sportsbook/paddy power and maybe they can just use the exchange to lay off liabities and also profit in on the big sporting events .
I hope the exchange stays healthy as the alternatives are pretty ramshackle out there ...any new exchange will have no chance and alternative exchanges aren't popular for a very good reason .
Laddies bought out daq so if Betfair do start losing punters I'm sure Lads would step it up and take them. I don't personally buy the "costing them" scenario. If this was the case then why stop the games where the punters are queueing up and let the obscure games, with no punters, continue?
How much do you think they could possible lose on markets with next to no turnover?
I just think the exchange and it's customers aren't as valuable to them as they once might have been,there is too much betting competition now ...it's done them well over the years and the premium charge brought in a bl00dy nice wedge when it was implimented (and still does) but they have much bigger irons in the fire imo.... after all Ladbrokes have a healthy sportsbook and haven't exactly gone to great lengths to make their exchange work .
I think the greater focus is competing more with b 3 6 5 ...that's how i see it .
I could have it all wrong of course .
I think the greater focus is competing more with b 3 6 5 ...that's how i see it .
I could have it all wrong of course .
I tried to use Daq a few weeks ago Aspro when there was an outage on here during a premier league match, and the place was stone dead ..if they can't get punters during an outage you have to ask questions 
They've banned me from all their sites saying I had asked to ban myself, yet all I asked was they close my poker account with them. I've written to them several times and they are ignoring me.
inner ciry sumo.....i`m still awaiting my reply from them (2 days now !!!).....my question is what have the trading team got to do with it...I thought it was an exchange ????
It can`t be good for the punter now that bookmakers have their hands on the exchanges..they have always hated them.
Hmmm, another strange thing that has come to my attention. Some markets are suspended at HT and do not reopen until the second half kicks off, which is weird. Noticed this previously but it has happened again just this minute with the Ho Chi Minh game. Probably nothing but thought I'd mention it.
Monterrey v Puebla in the Mexican top flight 11pm ko has only two markets, Match Odds and Over 2.5. All the other scheduled games in the Mexican top flight only have those two markets.
As if by magic the rest of the markets have been added.
There's still a few markets missing on a few games, but it does appear to be returning to normal. Still doesn't make a lot of sense though.
I'd say it has something to do with virus cases rocketing in Romania recently and the government introducing restrictions over the last 2 weeks. Most of the exchange markets are managed in Romania, could be missing some staff but more than likely disrupted one way or another by it all.
The Paraguayan top flight game that kicked off at 10pm didn't have a Correct Score market or the usual first half markets, the one that starts at 00.15am does have all those markets. If they are working from a template you'd expect consistency within the same division in the same country.
Now if that is true about Romania, and I have no knowledge one way or the other, I did mention earlier on either this or the other thread (regarding goals) that the Romanian markets remained unaffected, however; surely you just put a basic template up and then remove what you don't want, rather than add markets. This has to be easier you would think.
I, clearly wrongly, assumed the templates would be standardised. There would be half a dozen or so templates which would vary in number of markets offered, and each league would have one of the template options ascribed to it.
Uruguay 10pm game had all the usual markets, the game at 00.15am doesn't.
Uruguay 10pm game had all the usual markets, the game at 00.15am doesn't.
they had a steady 1-2k cases a day in aug & sept and that was as high as they've been. Rocketed up to 4k a day in the last 5 days or so.
Cmon guys anyone thinks its about virus cases in Romania? No way. Anyone on earth thinks they add markets manually? Even if whats the difference you add overs markets or not, one person can handle it within minutes considering low number of games weekday.
They've been all over the place since they moved from Dublin to Romania. Not one staff member made the move even though they were all offered jobs. So none of the staff were experienced and if they have lost some of the staff managing these markets then they'll be all over the place even more than they were at the start when you factor in covid disruption, staff being sick and people working from home or not at all all happening suddenly and at the same time.
I don't know where I'd be without the overs markets, I like to mess around on them with small stakes at night
Sort of my casino substitute
Sort of my casino substitute
Swedish Superettan no Correct Score markets now.
Oct 17, 2020 -- 11:19PM, Aspro wrote:
Now if that is true about Romania, and I have no knowledge one way or the other, I did mention earlier on either this or the other thread (regarding goals) that the Romanian markets remained unaffected, however; surely you just put a basic template up and then remove what you don't want, rather than add markets. This has to be easier you would think.
>Not always so obvious. I've played some matches where the match odds market has been suspended for a long period of time but goals markets and correct score market are open. I can expect anything from this site these days.
Tomorrow Only 8 games have a "next goal" market. These are the games from Austria,Sweden and Holland and not
on the English Prem.
What can possibly be the reason for that?
on the English Prem.
What can possibly be the reason for that?
There are errors all over the site in listing events and settling bets. It's chaos.
No to be booked market Liverpool v Sheff utd tonight fecking hopeless
absolute shambles atm....and no real explanations..other than templates !!!!! This site used to be a world leader, both in tech and customer service.... Bert and Ed would be having sleepless nights if this was the service given to customers by their baby !!!!!
Loads of Sunday games are missing from the list view, probably something to do with the clocks going back. The place is a mess and only going in one direction.
Correct Score, Half Time-Full Time and other markets look to be gone for good in many leagues. Other fixtures and markets get loaded on a scattergun basis. Sad state of affairs.
Correct Score, Half Time-Full Time and other markets look to be gone for good in many leagues. Other fixtures and markets get loaded on a scattergun basis. Sad state of affairs.
The list of issues is growing. Crazy and long suspensions, games showing as ended but are still in play with many more besides and don't get me started on the forum issues which I believe is independently administered, so one shouldn't affect the other.
Betfair definitely has issues that clients will only stomach for so long.
Betfair definitely has issues that clients will only stomach for so long.
'My Markets' doesn't work either. Because the games I want to bet on have disappeared through the normal country/league route I went through the big Football home page list to try and save them. Doesn't work.
This site is a disgrace.
This site is a disgrace.
Is anyone else having problems using the Football option in the list of all sports? I can only access Football markets through the main page.
Football navigaion in the left-hand menu working fine here - Chrome 79 on Windows 10
Thanks. I'll have a look in Chrome, I'm on Edge.
Doesn't work in Chrome either. I can get outrights to open in both, but clicking on specific fixtures doesn't open the list of sub markets. Strange.
The management of this round of Colombian top flight games has been abysmal. Despite the fact that these games have had staggered kick offs starting yesterday evening, Betfair insisted on setting all fixtures as kicking off at 9pm tonight making them a chore to find because the side fixture panel on the left still doesn't work.
Now, inevitably with some games still left to play kicking off at 11pm and 1am later tonight the fixtures in question are fully locked and suspended because Betfair didn't reset the kick off times, despite seeing at least five games in this league starting prior to their imaginary 9pm kick off. The correct times are on other bookmaker sites, and the live score sites.
Absolutely clueless.
Now, inevitably with some games still left to play kicking off at 11pm and 1am later tonight the fixtures in question are fully locked and suspended because Betfair didn't reset the kick off times, despite seeing at least five games in this league starting prior to their imaginary 9pm kick off. The correct times are on other bookmaker sites, and the live score sites.
Absolutely clueless.
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