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By:
JC1326
When: 27 Oct 19 13:08
If penalising the team in that scenario is the correct call, it's actually an excellent decision, imo.

I didn't understand the second Man City goal yesterday. Is interfering with play still a thing? Because if it is, the goal shouldn't stand. If not, why it took them thirty minutes to make a decision is beyond me, and a joke.
By:
Rider
When: 27 Oct 19 13:12
man city goal was correct if silva doesnt make contact and i didnt think he touched it others did either way far from clear and obvious

levekusen game was a great example of how ridiculously weighted the handball rule is towards defenders
By:
Latalomne
When: 27 Oct 19 14:08
Per the letter of the rules, it might be an excellent decision, but I would bet my life that when that rule was created it was with a view to something a little less innocent than what happened yesterday taking place.  Utterly ridiculous.  It's a goal kick, clearly.
By:
moisok
When: 27 Oct 19 16:13
they are arguing over every premier league games

I thought it was to eradicate all the indecision, dispute etc and appears to be bringing much more argument and disrepute to the game
By:
ALIEN SEX FIEND
When: 27 Oct 19 17:08
Also, the not interfering with play, how can a goal keeper NOT be watching players around the 6 yard box, of course he is.........so that player can be offside.
By:
ImSoLuckyLucky!
When: 27 Oct 19 17:13
MANU
ARE BENEFITING

Wink
By:
SlippyBlue
When: 27 Oct 19 19:06
If I were an Arsenal supporter or backed them to win then I would have been absolutely livid that their 3rd 'goal' went to VAR and got ruled out. Palace were very lucky to come away with a point today.
By:
lurka
When: 27 Oct 19 19:28
A lot of people are saying that the refs must have got together before this weekend and decided that they need to overturn more decisions. Certainly seems that way after this weekend's games.

Whatever about the Arsenal goal, they left the fans celebrating for over a minute and then ruled it out with no explanation whatsoever as to why. That is contemptible treatment of fans. All of the money in football comes directly or indirectly from fans. They should be at the top of the food chain above billionaire club owners and millionaire players, refs and tv companies but they are at the bottom. They need to unite and threaten to boycott tv companies and stadia and then they'll listen. Money is the only language they understand and they really need to be put in their place. Farcical stuff. What will be the straw that breaks the camel's back? It will happen eventually. It just has to.
By:
roache
When: 28 Oct 19 13:12
Just seen the highlights of Arsenal v Palace and the VAR officials need to hang there heads in shame at disallowing that Arsenal goal, Chambers was pushed just prior to the incident then pushed by Cahill as he attempted to play the ball thereby just catching the Palace player,it appears the VAR officials were too pre occupied in observing how they can disallow that goal i.e. watching Chambers actions and disregarding everything else rather then seeing the overall picture and  if they wanted to be pedantic then prior to the goal it should have been a penalty to Arsenal for the push on chambers but obviously common sense would be keeping a goal,after seeing this i have no confidence in the VAR officials as it is obvious they are reviewing every incident without looking at the bigger picture,i am neither an Arsenal or Palace fan but VAR is bringing the game into disrepute and should be on an FA charge Cry
By:
duncan idaho
When: 28 Oct 19 13:18
Man Utd's first penalty would have been a poor decision if it had been given by ref with just one look and a bad angle...as a VAR decision, it is absolutely shocking. Then they said VAR was looking at whether the goalie had a foot on goaline when pen taken, for both pens clear as day he's a foot and more in advance of line and VAR says 'all good..nothing to see here'...just rubbish  BlushBlushBlush
By:
roache
When: 28 Oct 19 13:34
OMG i have just watched Norwich v Utd now and that 1st pen also an utter disgrace by the VAR officials,never a pen in a million years and more of a foul on the defender with James initiating the bodily contact with the defender as the ball ran loose then just collapsing of his own accord to the ground, which clowns are in VAR because to my mind when they are coming out with decisions like this whereby even Uniteds manager is saying its not a pen shows they are shamefully not on the same page as players,coaches,managers and fans and its a complete lottery as to what they are deciding and the most alarming thing about this is they have to power to overturn the refs correct decision making in every single premier league match until the ref is allowed to view the monitor and come to the same decision he made in real time.This weekend VAR has overturned perfectly good decisions by the referee with absolute howlers of really shockingly bad decisions made by themselves VAR,it needs scrapping until they sort themselves out.
By:
roache
When: 28 Oct 19 13:42
Jesus wept he was a good half yard off his line before Rashford had even got into his shooting stride,not even close totally blatant by the keeper small steps off his line towards the striker well before he shot,how the hell was he allowed to get away with that and i've not even got to the 2nd penalty yet from the highlights i'm watching.
By:
roache
When: 28 Oct 19 13:51
At least the 2nd pen was correctly awarded by VAR under these shambolic new handball rules and the keeper wasn't as blatant off his line this time only about 9 inches with both his feet,whoever is the premier league chief needs to get a grip of the refs chief and crack a few heads of these VAR muppets Grin
By:
duncan idaho
When: 28 Oct 19 14:21
dont think the 2nd pen should have been given either (marginally inside box and marginally hit top of arm, rather clear and obvious) but i hate current handball rule, so appreciate others (inc refs) would see differently
By:
Hanx
When: 28 Oct 19 14:47
VAR always was a pile of emperors new clothes, dressed up to be something we could never do without.

Too much invested in it now - financially, of course, it's the Premier League we're on about, where money swears, but also in management competence.

Admit VAR is an absolute fiasco and causes more problems than it's supposed to solve and some FA bigwigs are going to end up looking like j@mr@gs and that would never do.
By:
lurka
When: 28 Oct 19 14:53

Oct 28, 2019 -- 9:21AM, duncan idaho wrote:


dont think the 2nd pen should have been given either (marginally inside box and marginally hit top of arm, rather clear and obvious) but i hate current handball rule, so appreciate others (inc refs) would see differently


Both of the elements you refer to are factual not subjective so clear and obvious doesn't come into it. Was his arm up - yes, did it hit it - yes, was it inside the box - yes

By:
lurka
When: 28 Oct 19 14:58
On MOTD2 last night they gave a statement from the VAR people re the Arsenal disallowed goal. This statement should have been made at the time in the stadium and it is an insult to fans to leave them in the dark like that. Watching the rugby at the weekend you can hear the entire conversation between ref and VAR people and know exactly what the issue is as it is being discussed. Until they introduce that transparency in football it is not fit for purpose and it is just a case of yet another vested interest group (referees) shafting fans and putting themselves before fans who are the lifeblood of the game and who are the source of all the money in the game.
By:
duncan idaho
When: 28 Oct 19 15:32
Both of the elements you refer to are factual not subjective so clear and obvious doesn't come into it. Was his arm up - yes, did it hit it - yes, was it inside the box - yes


yes,  they are obv factual not subjective, but wasnt clear or proven to me from replays that it was definitely inside the box and definitely did hit part of arm that was raised
By:
lurka
When: 28 Oct 19 17:29
Clear as day to me. Struck his elbow which he had at shoulder height while jumping off the ground about a yard inside the box. You're the first person I've seen question it. Don't think the player or anyone from Norwich even did.
By:
enpassant
When: 28 Oct 19 18:18
"Jarred Gillett was the VAR official for Arsenal's clash with Palace. A 32-year-old Australian, Gillett has never taken charge of a Premier League game, with his refereeing experience in England limited to nine Football League fixtures."
By:
enpassant
When: 28 Oct 19 18:19
EPL Doing sh!te on the cheap and this is what we get. Typical of english football: break VAR before we get to Christmas ffs.
By:
snowynoon
When: 28 Oct 19 18:26
the man utd first pen should never be given by ref or VAR ,James initiated the contact.Is there 1 VAR person per match or more like they had in the World Cup??? It worked better in World Cup and Bundesliga ,with a screen at the side of the pitch ,where the ref goes and has a look and has the final say,why arent the Premier league doing this,anyone know????
By:
Coachbuster
When: 28 Oct 19 18:49
I like VAR  but it's now being used more and more for entertainment purposes like in that Bundesliga 2 match  ...that Bochum goal was ridiculous .

Gillet does have more VAR experience than any other referee in the EPL  ...but why just  him at the controls  ? ...i thought it was a panel of Ref's making decisions for high profile games .

pitchside monotoring would be too slow  imo  unless you gave referees a HD lightweight walkabout screen . 

A lot was being made of Zaha  but if no VAR then his reputation desreved a card  (right or wrong)
By:
Coachbuster
When: 28 Oct 19 18:49
Bochum decision *    Kiel did atleast go on to win the match
By:
Coachbuster
When: 28 Oct 19 18:50
Zaha in the same league as Neymar
By:
bingo bongo
When: 28 Oct 19 18:53
The one thing the premier league have got right is not using the monitors. If the VAR official can't decide if a mistake has been made by the on field referee then it can't be a "clear and obvious" error.
By:
roache
When: 28 Oct 19 19:10
But a lot of the times its proving that the ref with 1 shot of the action is more competent than the VAR official perusing the incident over and over in slow motion so initially i was with everyone else not to slow the game down by refs trotting over to the monitor to take an eternity but after these recent fiascos i now think it is imperative that the ref has full control and does trott over to view the incident as you cannot trust some of these numpties in VAR.
By:
lurka
When: 28 Oct 19 19:48
Nobody foresaw that VAR would lead to more errors than when the officials just applied the rules themselves. It was brought in to reduce errors and is thus not fit for purpose, never mind all the delay and confusion that goes with it. They need another 2 years of trials in minor comps to prove they can use it right. Bin.

In June the PL announced that they wouldn't use VAR to check goalkeeper encroachment but I believe IFAB told them they'd have to and the PL website says they can use it in cases of 'A clear and obvious error by the on-field match officials relating to goalkeeper movement'. I was under the impression that this was not the case. Just shows how incompetent they are that they missed that twice yesterday.
By:
SlippyBlue
When: 28 Oct 19 19:59
I'm a Palace supporter and I've looked at that VAR decision to rule out Arsenals 3rd goal 4 or 5 times and each time I look at it gets more and more absurd.
By:
snowynoon
When: 28 Oct 19 20:03
i agree with roache ,better the numpty you know,than some invisible guy who has god knows what knowledge or experience in football .
By:
Hanx
When: 28 Oct 19 20:16
"On six separate occasions this weekend VAR intervened to overturn a refereeing decision: correcting a supposed Wilfried Zaha dive to a penalty; disallowing an Arsenal winner for a Callum Chambers ghost foul; giving two penalties for Man Utd; sending off Ryan Bertrand; and awarding Brighton a penalty."

"All of a sudden, and without warning, the Premier League has dropped the ludicrously high bar for intervention and taken decisive action… often incorrectly. The disallowed Arsenal goal and the penalty given to Brighton were particularly woeful decisions, highlighting that passing a subjective decision from one referee to another is utterly farcical".

"VAR has proven to be inconsistent and confused, to slow the game down, to cause even more argument and debate than before, to disrupt the moment of celebration, and now to create a clumsy power dynamic between on-field ref and VAR ref. One can only hope that, years from now, we will look back on 2019/20 as the lost season: the year that VAR overshadowed the game before the Premier League came to its senses and dropped a system that had threatened to permanently tarnish the sport."

Alex Keeble (Sporting Life, my emphasis on last three lines)
By:
roache
When: 28 Oct 19 21:33
Does the Premier league have a choice though with VAR,would they have the bottle to sack it ? Definite no there, would UEFA demand that we continue to use it now that we have it and it is one of the top leagues in Europe or is this something we can decide ourselves without UEFA involvement as i would sack it now as it is adding nothing to the game but taking away plenty from a fans perspective.
By:
Coachbuster
When: 28 Oct 19 21:45
VAR is a good idea but common sense is required
By:
brassneck
When: 28 Oct 19 22:42
imagine waiting for Arsenal to win yesterday to collect a few grand,and they score a third goal,YOU BET IS UP-NO ITS NOT-YES IT IS-NO ITS NOT.
VAR has destroyed gambling on football,you have to win the bet twice.And sometimes it more than heartbreaking.-dump it i say.
By:
pumphol.
When: 28 Oct 19 23:46
Weeks & weeks of NOT overturning ANY decision then this week the cup runneth over of overturning numerous decisions, plenty to talk about yet no prior knowledge of a change in attitude over VAR yet something has happened for this change of events to occur, did I miss something ?
By:
lurka
When: 29 Oct 19 08:55
They have overturned may decisions previously, but this weekend was the first time they overturned a subjective decision and they did it a few times. A lot of people think they must have decided recently that they need to overturn more subjective decisions and this is what we end up with. So, basically a lot of the decisions this weekend were influenced by decisions made earlier in the season if that's the case. This should be investigated as it makes the whole thing even more farcial if true.
By:
snowynoon
When: 29 Oct 19 11:41
millions being bet all over the world on premier league ,and one inexperienced guy sitting in a booth has the power to decide the outcome and overrule the ref ,by saying he saw a minor infringement leading to a goal ,in the Arsenal game a 32 year old Australian !!! That cannot be right ,surely sense will prevail.??
By:
Rider
When: 29 Oct 19 14:29
with any scrappy goal its must always be in doubt when reviewed by var as there are so many things going on that you can always find something to rule it out for and refs tend to favour the defenders
By:
Rider
When: 29 Oct 19 14:36
so, in general, if on the video review, in the box, the defender is found to foul the attacker first, then the attacker fouls the defender and then a goal is scored, what should the outcome of that be? a penalty?
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