MANCHESTER UNITED

Respectfully go back and read my next post after the one you quoted.

That's basically what I said Queenie.

So I'd be looking for irrespective of who the manager is a fast strong centre back,  a commanding keeper, two athletic midfielders , a striker.


Along with the rest eh Desperado. Dont forget ye need a few new tea ladies as well

If you told me that there would be a scenario at United where I would actually not run a mile from the idea of Southgate being in charge I would have been horrified, BUT

The situation is that bad it calls for a solid steady calm the waters approach, no frills or delusions of grandeur, this is stop the bleeding type stuff, accept where and what we are for this period in our history and try and build back.

Never thought I'd say it, but for the task in hand, Southgate is exactly the type we need.

Still can't believe I just said that.

Iraola over Southgate surely.

Surely?

^^^^ Liverpool get the title, lose their star player whilst their local rivals win a brand new spankin stadium



How does that work out?

Franck, Glasner, Iraola in that order wouldn't have a problem with any of them.

i can't see southgate working, but the reason why he's appealing is that utd need steady / stability and it's got to the stage where they are now desperate

That's it elise, like I said, can't believe it's come to this but similar to how he was appointed to the England job where he was seen as being a steady hand on the tillar, it's the same here.

The mere fact that he's been mentioned on here now without universal derision and speaks volumes.

when i say i can't see it working i cannot see man utd playing 5-4-1 and the fans being happy,

i think he would steady the ship and make then defensively focused but christ it would be terrible to watch

Wouldn't have a problem with solidity and effective counter attacking option, when we've been successful in the past few years it has been that anyway.

utds pre season and first few games are going to be interesting if they have lots of new faces and not much time to gel, suspect you'll find out quite quickly whether he can coach and apply his tactics to a fresh group, if not he won't make xmas

We hear every season about clear outs, we've got to realize that unless a player is out of contract then he is going to stay because unless the player is Bruno or Garnacho then no-one is buying, how long does anyone think we've been trying to get rid of Lindelof for as an example.

The squad, as it is now is going to be pretty much the same at the start of next season as it is now.

I'm going on record now to state that IMO Cunha is just too risky, yes he's exciting but he has a big down side in his attitude and if you wanted to nominate a club where that is going to be exposed then you'd send him to United.

A couple of months in stories of training ground bust ups involving him are very much on the cards.

Sounds as though the Cunha deal will be paid in instalments so spreading the full cost possibly beyond even the next PSR point, allowing a slight freeing up of funds in the short term but potentially hurting options next summer if progress isn't made.

Feels slightly above his current true value as is familiar with Utd buys..but I don't share too many concerns over his general ability... certainly do share duffy's concerns over his personality (I'd go with temperament rather than attitude but that's getting into semantics)..

Mbuemo being linked quite heavily but suspect there's some competition for him and would want to be price sensitive..the benefit of these players is that at least they've proved they can cope with the pace and physicality of the league (see Anthony, Sancho,) and be effective in it, however the day in, day out scrutiny and criticism could easily be just as important and neither will have dealt with anything like it.

Can't we maybe get all of Mbuemo, Wissa and Franck in some kind of package deal

i think they'll ditch 10 players

Define ditch

Southgate ffs

define ditch .. the 3 already on loan, the 3 released as frees, any 4 they can get bids on from garnacho, shaw, hojland, onana, zirkzee, casemiro

Hopefully ditch then, released as frees are the only ones that don't need any outside help, the ones on loan now will just as likely still be attached to the club this time next season.

The irony at OT yesterday is that the suits up in the stand were probably desperate for Rogers goal to stand as Villa not qualifying for CL has more than likely tethered Rashford to United for a further season.

maybe, i think if they can't lose a few of those then there's a bigger risk on them letting bruno leave

Looks like they should get a few quid out of Carreras (Benfica) going to Madrid..

have to wait and see if Sancho deal goes through as planned with Chelsea - he started yesterday in a crucial game so feels more likely than not..(Chelsea pay 5m penalty if they don't take him @ agreed 25m ish price)

Rashford to be available @ 40m but with obvs issues regarding either him taking a cut in wages or Utd giving some pay off..no club going to match wages clearly.

if he's got 3yrs left they may well take another loan year, psg or barca i guess might, do you think arsenal perhaps?

loan would be absolute last resort for Utd..essentially he wants to play and keep in the England frame so they should actually put the onus on him to concede some ground..

but certainly not easily done...Barca would only take with wage cut and seem to be looking at others ahead of him according to some of the more credible media sources...think PSH have moved passed him tbh...Arsenal not ridiculous but I'd be looking elsewhere if were them..

*PSG

something has to give now, they need to clear the decks otherwise they'll be broke, imagine they won't want to delay either

Bruno
Gnacho
Lindelof
Maguire
Ahmad
Mainoo

The rest are below average championship players.

The problem is,who buys them,the manager,the scouts,the buying agents,ratcliffe,

Forest
Palace

Won cups,

Brighton
Forest

Did well in league.

Big clubs can’t win all the time now,because buying decision makers want percentages of purchases,so the worst the player,the bigger the bung.

Chief scout on 5k a week,organising a buy of a player on 300k a week.80 million purchase.

He clearly wants a cut of the action.

Too much money now,

Be better off,signing every academy player from every premi team.

Have a 400 man squad on 2 k a week.then rotate them ,till you find some good ones.

Moneyball for football.

Bit of help please

I'm going to a gig at the new Co-Op arena out by City's ground tonight.


Am I better parking near there, or parking near Picadilly and getting a tram there and back? Just worried about traffic getting away, and I'm going west to the M62. Ta

essentially he wants to play and keep in the England frame so they should actually put the onus on him to concede some ground..

LMFAO Clueless

you honestly think Marcus gives a f**k about playing for England over pocketing 300k+ per week

Cant see Frank going to a smaller club. We wont let him go anyway. 

Cunha deal done?

I see Manu losing
as usual in the far EAST

First team held them to 0-0 at half time

I see that prize pr*** RQ is still obsessing about all things Utd..


you honestly think Marcus gives a f**k about playing for England over pocketing 300k+ per week

Not being in the England squad (endorsements, sponsorships) more than offsets taking a 50-60,000 a week pay cut in the long run so if only for mercenary reasons probably yes and I'd wager judging by his time @ Villa he does still have some footballing ambitions as well...

Reckon he'll need to take a bigger pay cut than 50/60 if he wants a move.

Depends who it is in the end I guess..

Agent reportedly met with Barca president this morning 240,000 would slot in well below Barca top earners..his salary is quoted as 300,000 on the likes of Capology, Sportsrac - could be less than that for coming season with various general clauses about wages tied to European comps etc..
agree if he ends up trying to get moves to Italy or some other Prem teams it may well require more than that..

There will be the usual soap opera with a lot of back and forward, he'll be linked with this team and that team before the inevitable one more season out on loan somewhere with United paying a portion of his wages IMO.

i know they need the money, but chasing a few mil in asia isn't going  to help them if it goes like this in hong kong, i'd bet that's lost them more fans than it gained today

They got 5million for Eula final,then give Chelsea 3.5 cos mounts contract had a euro final bonus payment in it.

Who would sign such a deal.

Some idiot egged on by someone waiting for his bung.

All kinds of add ons in most deals these days, Utd get a few quid if Betis win apparently..

is there a source for that one CUTH as feels excessive..

the mistake with Mount was paying 50m when Chelsea were keen to get rid and only a year left on contract..the injuries have been unlucky and not that foreseeable but the business was flat wrong..

Brentford,read it on socials,official media.

But in this day and age,it’s either ,real,blown up,click bait or fake.

So who knows.given how bad the club is,probably 35 mill not 3.5mill.

fair enough mate, yep nothing would surprise sadly..

The team today,we’re sat in row ,signing shirts,looking bored,like a book signing,to fans who basically buy 1 shirt and watch them on tv.

This at the end of a long season.

Who’s worse,the pimps or the prostitutes.desperate stuff.

How is signing 30/40 peoples shirts worth the hassle,it’s about sponorship deals or big games,why make them sit there.

Players trapped cos on their contracts,but can’t be happy.

On signing mount,55mill plus 5 mill add ons,so it looks true.

They wun a match
The Honk KONG CUP

Going in the trophy cabinet!!!

Bought one already,chucking muneey at it again...

You;ve got to admire Bruno for turning down that money in order to stay at United, secretly I guess United would like to take the money for him but won't want to openly try to force him out.

Bruno, Cunha and Mbuemo???...on the face of it is exciting.

it's an upgrade, but then the canteen lady would be an upgrade on hojland

the thing though is, are these players all not really similar, where do you play them?

Cunha and Mbuemo are both rampaging players who can pick the ball up deep and carry it forward, even more so than ever we'd need an effective holding player in there with those two in the team.

We'd certainly look a lot more exciting on the counter with them.

Brentford looking for 60m in regard to Mbuemo, way too high at that price for Utd's current situation, even 50m is a serious risk..

regarding where they play, both can play in the 10 roles and Cunha has played as a 9 at times though not his best position..

Fernandes likely to play deep if they were to get Mbuemo as well..not his best position as he gives the ball away too much in deep positions (unlike a Modric or even a Gerrard later in his career)

Every time I see those two, they are picking the ball up on or around the halfway line and running 30 yards with it before smashing it in the top corner.

ive always thought bruno is better in the last 3rd, i don't see him as a holding player, casemiro was but mainly because he was slow, similarly i think mainoo is better carrying the ball, he can't play as a holding player he looks lost, so that's about 5 now and then there's mount lol

if the manager changes and they bin 532 you'll switching again

Can Cunha play left wing.


The Mbuemo interest seems a bit weird. The club want to keep Amad don't they? It's the left wing they want to revamp, and get rid of Garnacho and Rashford.


And never mind getting a proper striker and midfielder.

Mbuemo and Cunha can both play wide in a 4-3-3  (and Mount has decent flexibility of role if not fitness) which is important as Amorim has till about November to show something..

tbf with the injuries of last 2 seasons (especially 23-24) we need 4 for every position anyway !

Amad pencilled in as RWB and 10 option imo..

Mainoo has had extensive scientific tests carried out on him and the conclusion reached was that he can't run....so he should be out on that basis.

With Sancho having not adjusted his pay at Chelsea and therefore Chelsea waived him back for 5m not inconceivable that pr*** we'll be in the mix as he has no previous with Amorim..

if they play 262 utd will be sorted

Amad won't have a long time career at United, he's done well in amongst sh1te but if United ever recover with better players he will be brushed aside. IMO

maybe, beats players one on one easier than most though...

Panic buying before a fire sale.....

It is nice and we're seeing it with Cunha and potentially Mbuemo that no matter how bad United are and how far they fall, the romance and history surrounding the club STILL count for so much in players minds.

Would be nice for the owners to nurture that rather than relying on it and taking it for granted.

And the wages, don't forget the wages.

But as long as you can pay top dollar you will get
who you want.

Of course when signed on top dollar they need motivation...

Need more like Bruno f...

Whatever way anyone wants to slice it, Cunha and Mbuemo, if he lands, are a massive fillip for the club and fans and a kick in the teeth to those that thought that United were done and no-one wanted to play for them anymore.

Two of the most exciting players in the league last season both looking at likely being United players, down to Amorim now to arrest recent habits at the club in turning silk purses into sow's ears.

And on this occasion you've got to credit the board if they are able to get both deals over the line.

6th favs to win prem on here

What are you saying Dragon, they should be shorter, longer or just laughing at the fact they are 6th favs.?

utd have leaked their new first team kit which they're apparently hoping will give their players a boost and inspire them to win more games

they'll be playing in sky blue shirts, white short and socks

"IF" Cunha and Mbuemo work, United are certainties to finish at least top 6 IMO.....regardless of what happens with the rest of the squad.!!!

I also think that there is going to be a momentum build through the Summer surrounding United, currently Newcastle and Chelsea are trading at 17 with United at 36, I expect United's price to contract much more and be very close to Newcastle and Chelsea come the start of the new season.

Improvement or otherwise is not linear, one or two players that work can make huge differences all on their own. Liverpool just won the league primarily due to one single player.

You can't overstate the importance and significance if both those two players land IMO.

duffy - 6th fav is crazy given their current position- maybe the new signings may impact but id be surprised if they finish in the top 6 next season

Price isn't to finnish in top 6 it's to win.

3% chance, no euro footy distractions, why not.

correct yhtl villa are 85. i know which looks the better of two teams that stand no chance of winning it

Villa skint, got Thursday night footy

Much depends on the starts they get and what they have to hold, inspire them


Like Liverpool 23/24 compared with 24/25

If Liverpool can't win title expect them to ease off again too.

Pool winning the PL is not primarily down to one player (or one single thing), the other players did more collectively than Salah, for example. The poor seasons of city and arsenal compared to previous were as big a factor as Salah's output, if not bigger.

One or two new attacking players doing well is not going to propel Utd to top 6 on its own. They are woeful playing it out and generally and get dominated in midfield in the PL. They were like this under ETH last season and were worse at it under Amorim. He's been a big step down from ETH, who wasn't good enough, so far. He may not be as good a manager but he needs a pre-season and a window (or three) to be sure of that. I was surprised he said the EL wasn't that important compared to the PL, when he'd have another much needed 80m+ to spend if they'd won it.

United have scored 57, 58, 57 and 44 in the last 4 PL seasons. The other 5 'big 6' clubs plus Newc and Villa are well ahead of them, apart from maybe Spurs, but Spurs will have a lot more to spend now. Winning that match meant so much to Utd's and Amorim's short-term future.

One or two new attacking players doing well is not going to propel Utd to top 6 on its own.

I disagree,United finishing where they did last season, as funny as it was to many and as disturbing as it was to many others, and regardless and understanding just how bad they were, was and will be a complete outlier and not something to judge United on in the round.

The step for a club like United and with the momentum that the club can create if things start to get better, to go from 15th to 6th is miniscule.

One or two top quality players coming in and doing well will definitely make a huge difference because like I said, it is not linear, momentum, other players will suddenly look better, improvement snowballs.

Forget formations, quality players on the pitch will see performances improve regardless of how the manager sets them out, United have been poor for many years because for many years they have had little or no quality on the pitch.

"If" Cunha and Mbuemo if he signs!!!aren't cursed as soon as they run out onto the pitch and they might be!!! but if they perform as they did last season United will finish in the top 6 IMO, it won't be difficult.

it's not a huge jump to top 6, the vast majority of teams that are mid table could have a run, look at forest, doubt they will do that next term

the problem is we've been here before, some big money signings and they then deliver nothing, so whilst there's loads of optimism, until they actually buy players that then prove they were worth it you have to think it's just dreaming, i'd be more confident if they got a proven keeper and a good holding midfield player, because that defence needs some help

Somebody has kidnapped the real duffy and is posting in his name (imo)...

never seen such optimism from him

agree with both sides to an extent, you're never as far away as some would have you believe (we're only a year removed from ETH finishing 8th with an injury decimated squad, and 2 years from 3rd) and unless Amorim is totally clueless you would expect some level of progress from this past season...frankly if he's not top 8 (minimum) he probably won't survive anyway...whether the likes of Cunha and potentially Mbuemo (who's only really had one big season at a small club) can translate their form to Old Trafford is anyone's guess but recent indicators suggest that it's very far from a given..

I'd share Elise's concerns over CMF and GK as well..the signings they've gone for suggest Bruno playing deep alongside either Ugarte or Casemiro currently in a first choice XI..that won't address one of the most fundamental issues they've had in the last two seasons.

Top 7 last season were ahead of the rest, it is quite a jump
for man utd to rejoin that group, but 2 or 3 strikers should
easily enable that jump, then it's game on.

I don't see them challenging and finishing above all 3 of
Citeh, arse, and lpool, but, but, but

id agree with the no top 8 and he might be gone, but utd have managed to save a couple of managers with cup runs and this year i'd think they might make the fa cup a big target, bet they go strong team every round

Forest were in there pitching last season, just tactics and catching
teams at right time, but for me citeh will take some beating, if world
club doesn't stuff them.

think it will stuff them

Just logged in to find out I've been hacked

yeah whoever it was was far too positive, welcome back

Buy a couple of strikers pmsl

Im sure Shaw and Boxhead at the back will step up to the plate next season pmsl....

maguire has committed himself for  2 or 3 more years, shaw's attempting 2 or 3 games

United have taken a chance delaying the Mbuemo move, they are relying on his apparent wish to join United to drag their heels in negotiations.

They should have realized that Franck to Spurs could provide an obstacle and therefore should have stopped messing about over a few quid that they are going to pay anyway and sealed the deal in this first window.

Now they have left the door ajar and risk undoing a lot of the good work and momentum that they've so far done.

spot on duffy...lets see if he wants to rejoin with frank at spurs

there's been stacks of noise but to my eyes all they have is one new signing and three aging types that have ended their contracts, it's early days but i'm not totally convinced they are really in control of the window

The likelihood is that Mbuemo will come but United have rested on their laurels a bit.

As mentioned earlier it is refreshing and pleasantly surprsing that the "ALLURE" of United is very much alive which must be disappointing to the haters, by the start of the new season it is very likely that all of Cunha, Mbuemo and Gyokores will be United players

one of the main problems united had last season was the lack of goals only everton other than the relegated three scored less than their 44 goals.

it will be interesting to see if the new sighnings will address that- on paper you wd think so but sometimes the reality can be differrent.

not sure about the haters comment - i think most football followers wd like to see a united team playing decent football and challenging for the top positions - challenging but not winning

If Tottenham match man utd pay offer the allure of Tottenham will
be as strong as the allure of manchester

if the relationship with frank is solid that cd be the decider

Is picking up players from Wolves and Brentford when the competition is no-one and maybe Spurs really a sign of allure? Not saying they'll be bad signings but it's hardly the return of getting Rio or Veron is it.

hey duffy - i see the gooners have put in a 48.6m bid for Gyokores

PorcupineorPineapple 13 Jun 25 20:49 
Is picking up players from Wolves and Brentford when the competition is no-one and maybe Spurs really a sign of allure? Not saying they'll be bad signings but it's hardly the return of getting Rio or Veron is it.


Newcastle were in for Mbuemo and Arsenal are now interested in Gyokores, but in any case, picking them up when the competition is no-one??

Does anyone seriously think that these players would be Wolves and Brentford players at the start of next season if United don't buy them, they cleary would be at other top clubs, but United have come in early and the players are quite happy with that even though their stock is massively high and could have easily wait to see who else is interested.

They know who is interested and how much cash is on table
for player and agent

This is the allure

If you offer the cash they are allured

United have always offered top money, but it is not as if the other top clubs offer peanuts for heaven's sake, these players could very easily go to any other top club and be very wealthy as well as playing CL football.

It's quite clear mbueno has been offered way over what Newcastle might have offered, indeed almost double, this is the allure