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That's right Brentford. The payments on those players are a huge part of the problem. The debt doesn't help, but clearing it wouldn't be transformative these days. In the early Glazer years, the debt payments were over half of the club's entire revenue, which was why we had very little money for transfers in Fergie's later years, despite him working miracles. However, the Glazers were able to refinance at very low levels, and while the interest payments are creeping up, we're still only paying around £38m a year to service the debt. It's unfortunately the ridiculous overpayments on players that are really killing us, and making it impossible to spend anything. Lurka may be right, and there's nothing we can do to clear those. In that case, we're stuffed for the foreseeable future, and probably would be even had Qatar bought the club. (Qatar might have had some good options in the event of the verdict in City's case a week ago leading to the destruction of the existing system of funding.)
Debt needs to be refinanced by 2028,so input of cash
to clear that would surely be beneficial to club.
Some clubs benefit from free loans already...
to clear that would surely be beneficial to club.
Some clubs benefit from free loans already...
There's also a lot of debt to come, potentially, from hp
payments on players.
payments on players.
They'll probably find somebody to refinance it for them, though, albeit at a higher price. It's certainly not the thing that's holding us back currently.
the glazer model is fine if the on pitch success continues, the revenues are huge but once they stop winning the wheels come off because aside from the money via ch lge / prem lge their ability to draw big sponsors and new fans diminishes, folks who are fickle don't support a losing team they switch to another and new fans go with success, they need a winning team to hold things together off the pitch
Yep refinancing is not a problem, except it'll be at higher rate
But paying it off, and taking interest payments off balance sheet
would be massive boost.
But paying it off, and taking interest payments off balance sheet
would be massive boost.
Amazing how people just accept this.
They borrowed 525 mill 20 years ago,they owe 515 now.
Thames water can’t believe how they can get away with it,they’ve called an urgent board meeting to discuss closing the canteen,
They borrowed 525 mill 20 years ago,they owe 515 now.
Thames water can’t believe how they can get away with it,they’ve called an urgent board meeting to discuss closing the canteen,
I ve contacted the health and safety executive,companies are legally obliged to provide a suitable area for staff to have meal breaks.
Can’t see how they can close their canteen,but maybe it’s hyperbole.
Can’t see how they can close their canteen,but maybe it’s hyperbole.
The club is losing around £100m a year. The general squad is so low in work rate, technical skill and footballing intelligence that it struggles to match all but a few of the teams in the PL. Our position in the table isn't a mirage, and there's no reason to think that this current bunch can get back to competing at the top end any time soon. However, we're nowhere even close to profitability, let alone being in a position where we can find £75-£100m of profit that can be spun into a big rebuild.
I'm not saying that paying down the debt wouldn't be desirable, but I do hear a lot of people suggesting that the Glazer debt is the thing that holds us back. It'll cost around £550m to clear, and will save us about £37-£38m a year for now. Moderately helpful, but we would still have been racking up big losses, even with that debt cleared. The real problem is the decade of bad transfer decisions that continues to drag us down - and the weight of which is getting heavier and heavier, and making it harder to fix the problems.
I'm not saying that paying down the debt wouldn't be desirable, but I do hear a lot of people suggesting that the Glazer debt is the thing that holds us back. It'll cost around £550m to clear, and will save us about £37-£38m a year for now. Moderately helpful, but we would still have been racking up big losses, even with that debt cleared. The real problem is the decade of bad transfer decisions that continues to drag us down - and the weight of which is getting heavier and heavier, and making it harder to fix the problems.
If these figures are accurate,it’s madness that the club with the biggest income in the world can’t turn a profit,given the lack of big name players signed.
Also,the glazier debt is 20 year old,why hasn’t it been paid off.
Also,the glazier debt is 20 year old,why hasn’t it been paid off.
One problem is buying players to win stuff, and them not
being prepared to put it in week in week out to finish 6th or 7th
so you end up 13th/14th.
Not just man utd have the problem, but motivating players
to compete at levels below their own rating of themselves
is difficult.
Cup wins suggest ability is there.
being prepared to put it in week in week out to finish 6th or 7th
so you end up 13th/14th.
Not just man utd have the problem, but motivating players
to compete at levels below their own rating of themselves
is difficult.
Cup wins suggest ability is there.
Also,the glazier debt is 20 year old,why hasn’t it been paid off.
When you are a company debt is good, you are spending other people's money
When you are a company debt is good, you are spending other people's money
I hope its owner will approach Salah and say "name your price". Man Utd have wasted mega bucks in the past few seasons on managers and players. Just buy well-proven and reliable goal-scoring players eg Salah and Haaland - one season wonders are too hit and miss.
How can Real Madrid attract players like Mbappe, Bellingham and many others? Even Man City and Liverpool cannot compete in this area; Man Utd are passed over and shunned.
How can Real Madrid attract players like Mbappe, Bellingham and many others? Even Man City and Liverpool cannot compete in this area; Man Utd are passed over and shunned.
Sir nobby,debt isn’t good if the company is privately owned,fine if listed.
The debt impacts on the value of your asset.
Think at the time, the 3 hedge funds were happy,a never ending loan suits everyone,the asset grows,so the loan is shrinking in comparison.
Any money lenders would be happy to borrow you it,zero chance of default,given a million fans to fund it.plus sky high sky to rights guaranteed.
The debt is irrelevant unless it impacts on team decisions.theyspent big with the debt,re spent big this summer.its the personal guiding that spending that’s the issue.
The manager can’t buy players cos they re scared of him getting back handlers,so they let sporting directors buy the players,it’s 3 times removed from the people paying,who don’t care cos they live in USA.
So you buy the worst player possible,that you can justify the reason why you bought him,making sure all the layers of agents involved get their cut for making the deal happen.
Smaller clubs,with on hands owners can flourish.forest Brighton the big clubs will struggle going forward.
The debt impacts on the value of your asset.
Think at the time, the 3 hedge funds were happy,a never ending loan suits everyone,the asset grows,so the loan is shrinking in comparison.
Any money lenders would be happy to borrow you it,zero chance of default,given a million fans to fund it.plus sky high sky to rights guaranteed.
The debt is irrelevant unless it impacts on team decisions.theyspent big with the debt,re spent big this summer.its the personal guiding that spending that’s the issue.
The manager can’t buy players cos they re scared of him getting back handlers,so they let sporting directors buy the players,it’s 3 times removed from the people paying,who don’t care cos they live in USA.
So you buy the worst player possible,that you can justify the reason why you bought him,making sure all the layers of agents involved get their cut for making the deal happen.
Smaller clubs,with on hands owners can flourish.forest Brighton the big clubs will struggle going forward.
Any chance of getting Rashford back to campaign for free meals for the staff?
Not meant rudely..but you surely don't follow the ongoings of the club that closely C.U.T.H...
The Glazers have never put a penny of their own money in to the club...they turned down an offer of 5bn (with guaranteed debt clearance) Dec 2023 purely in the belief they haven't yet max rinsed the thing...
The Glazers have never put a penny of their own money in to the club...they turned down an offer of 5bn (with guaranteed debt clearance) Dec 2023 purely in the belief they haven't yet max rinsed the thing...
United are listed on the LSE and NYSE. Any listed company is privately owned in reality, only a small % of shares are ever sold publicly, usually less than 10%.
The Glazers aren't just costing United in interest payments on their debt, they have also been taking regular annual dividends of about £20m a year (Utd are the only club in the PL to pay dividends, they didn't pay any in 2023). Last year they sold shares to Radcliffe for about $1.6bn in total and incurred costs of about £34m for that transaction on their end. United paid that for them. The interest is expected to increase to 50m a year when they have to refinance the debt in a few years as the rates will be higher.
The Glazers aren't just costing United in interest payments on their debt, they have also been taking regular annual dividends of about £20m a year (Utd are the only club in the PL to pay dividends, they didn't pay any in 2023). Last year they sold shares to Radcliffe for about $1.6bn in total and incurred costs of about £34m for that transaction on their end. United paid that for them. The interest is expected to increase to 50m a year when they have to refinance the debt in a few years as the rates will be higher.
Against bigger teams, I think we're still capable of putting in a good defensive performance and then hitting them on the break. Under Amorim, there's more cohesion to the attacking unit, and we don't leave those huge holes in the midfield that every big team was able to exploit during the Ten Hag era.
However, against the well-drilled teams in the middle of the PL, we're just not equipped to compete properly. Most of our centre-backs are very defensive and passive in nature, and without Martinez we don't have anyone who can send attacking balls from the back. That lack of threat allows the other team to allocate more players to the midfield, and outnumber us there. Whoever's in the centre of the midfield gets swamped, and we don't have a strong forward who can hold the ball up - Rasmus should be that player, but his technical skills are far too limited.
Consequently, our only threat generally comes from the wings. Dorgu's making a difference, and if he and Garnacho can start working together then we might get some joy through that. But until we've got an aggressive wing-back and a winger working in tandem on both sides of the field, it'll be too easy for well-organised sides to surround Dorgu and Garnacho and snuff out many of their attacks. That then leads to the opposition suddenly attacking us in big numbers, since their midfield outnumbers ours, and we get caught out by stupid goals again and again.
In short, we've got a team that can compete well against the bigger teams - in games where it's nevertheless hard to get three points. But we often don't have the weaponry to get the upperhand over the bread and butter in the middle of the table. It's not a good combination if you're needing at least Europa League in order to have a chance of balancing the books.
However, against the well-drilled teams in the middle of the PL, we're just not equipped to compete properly. Most of our centre-backs are very defensive and passive in nature, and without Martinez we don't have anyone who can send attacking balls from the back. That lack of threat allows the other team to allocate more players to the midfield, and outnumber us there. Whoever's in the centre of the midfield gets swamped, and we don't have a strong forward who can hold the ball up - Rasmus should be that player, but his technical skills are far too limited.
Consequently, our only threat generally comes from the wings. Dorgu's making a difference, and if he and Garnacho can start working together then we might get some joy through that. But until we've got an aggressive wing-back and a winger working in tandem on both sides of the field, it'll be too easy for well-organised sides to surround Dorgu and Garnacho and snuff out many of their attacks. That then leads to the opposition suddenly attacking us in big numbers, since their midfield outnumbers ours, and we get caught out by stupid goals again and again.
In short, we've got a team that can compete well against the bigger teams - in games where it's nevertheless hard to get three points. But we often don't have the weaponry to get the upperhand over the bread and butter in the middle of the table. It's not a good combination if you're needing at least Europa League in order to have a chance of balancing the books.
The Old Trafford canteen is reportedly set to close with the aim of saving more than £1 million a year. Free fruit will be provided instead.
LMFAO
Here have a mouldy banana! Jesus what a laughing stock!
LMFAO
Here have a mouldy banana! Jesus what a laughing stock!
Racingqueen,this is total crap,there is no way ratcliffe would allow free fruit.
Honky,this is a wind up post clearly.
Man for man this is easily the worst team utd have had since the premier league started.
We ve only got 11 players,the bench is the academy.
Bruno,ugarte gnacho,amad.mainoo
Maybe
De light,dorgu,hojland.
The rest if sold to any other prem team,would be dropped after they’d seen they re not good enough.
Ruben was pacing the touchline before the Everton game,his interview pre match with Rio,he basically said,I’ve tried everything I know,I ve run out of ideas.
352 is the most stupid system.the opposition just tell your wingers to play high up the pitch,forcing your wing backs to play deep,so straight away your playing 532,
So you’ve now got no wingers cos they’re defending.it just invites teams onto you.
Everything is pointless anyway as long as onanas in net.
Man for man this is easily the worst team utd have had since the premier league started.
We ve only got 11 players,the bench is the academy.
Bruno,ugarte gnacho,amad.mainoo
Maybe
De light,dorgu,hojland.
The rest if sold to any other prem team,would be dropped after they’d seen they re not good enough.
Ruben was pacing the touchline before the Everton game,his interview pre match with Rio,he basically said,I’ve tried everything I know,I ve run out of ideas.
352 is the most stupid system.the opposition just tell your wingers to play high up the pitch,forcing your wing backs to play deep,so straight away your playing 532,
So you’ve now got no wingers cos they’re defending.it just invites teams onto you.
Everything is pointless anyway as long as onanas in net.
Racingqueen,this is total crap,there is no way ratcliffe would allow free fruit.
Its plastic.
Its plastic.
Manchester United have appointed Christopher Vivell as their permanent director of recruitment on a multi-year deal
In other news,mr c.vivell has opened 4 bank accounts,in Belize,Switzerland,lichenstein,and Monaco.
Mr vivell has told ratcliffe can he work from home,given the canteens closed.hes hoping to identify some real talent .
Mr vivell has told ratcliffe can he work from home,given the canteens closed.hes hoping to identify some real talent .
Mr Vivelli also requested the club to purchase Fifa 25 to assist with his "Scouting"
Thank god onana sacked and swapped his agent,just a few days before we signed him.
Clearly his agent for the previous 6 years couldn’t make the deal happen.so luckily a fresh pair of eyes got the deal over the line.
I think it’s so empowering that players won’t be held ransom and sack their agents if they’re not preforming.
Onana must be a shrewd guy,clearly he can read a situation,like wether to stay on your line of come out to clear it.
Or keep your agent or get a new one.
How did he know the new agent would secure the deal,it’s like he can see into the future or maybe thought his 6 year agent who he seemed happy with,couldn’t get his deal.
Maybe someone at Utd told him,ten Haag was his manger at Ajax,so the old agent must of been ok.
So what could of made onana realise ,he needs to swap his agent ,to get his move.
Clearly his agent for the previous 6 years couldn’t make the deal happen.so luckily a fresh pair of eyes got the deal over the line.
I think it’s so empowering that players won’t be held ransom and sack their agents if they’re not preforming.
Onana must be a shrewd guy,clearly he can read a situation,like wether to stay on your line of come out to clear it.
Or keep your agent or get a new one.
How did he know the new agent would secure the deal,it’s like he can see into the future or maybe thought his 6 year agent who he seemed happy with,couldn’t get his deal.
Maybe someone at Utd told him,ten Haag was his manger at Ajax,so the old agent must of been ok.
So what could of made onana realise ,he needs to swap his agent ,to get his move.
Brilliant.
So dorgu and onana combine.
The Cameroon academy system haven’t practiced spacial awareness.
The Nigerian academy system haven’t read the new fifa rules on leaving the ground ,studs showing.
Both agents involved in the transfers stated,we didn’t think to tell them,plus it isn’t covered by our 20% fees.
So dorgu and onana combine.
The Cameroon academy system haven’t practiced spacial awareness.
The Nigerian academy system haven’t read the new fifa rules on leaving the ground ,studs showing.
Both agents involved in the transfers stated,we didn’t think to tell them,plus it isn’t covered by our 20% fees.
6 months in on a 5 year contract,his new agents sat waiting every week for their 20% of his wages.
He ain’t going anywhere
He ain’t going anywhere
Onana.
2021 ,12 month ban failed drug test,accidental.
2022,free transfer to Milan.
2023,swaps his agent days before Utd paid 50 mill for him,plus a 5 year contract.
They should re name the eufa financial fair play rules,as the agents in need charity foundation.the rules,basically encourage clubs to sell local home grown players so they can justify buying in players,the complete opposite of what the rules try to stop.
There’s been loads of shocking cases of clubs getting in trouble,city awaiting decision.
But Utd having only 11 players to field a team,after spending 600 million,and selling or loaning 5 players,highlights that football is rotten to the core.
Obviously our great free press,who never stop to speak truth to power,look the other way,has they are scared of not having access to the team,because ,a picture of Bruno,with a quote from Ruben overrides this.
Any journalist wouldn’t even need to investigate it,has it’s so blatant,they can’t even be ars ed to hide it anymore.
2021 ,12 month ban failed drug test,accidental.
2022,free transfer to Milan.
2023,swaps his agent days before Utd paid 50 mill for him,plus a 5 year contract.
They should re name the eufa financial fair play rules,as the agents in need charity foundation.the rules,basically encourage clubs to sell local home grown players so they can justify buying in players,the complete opposite of what the rules try to stop.
There’s been loads of shocking cases of clubs getting in trouble,city awaiting decision.
But Utd having only 11 players to field a team,after spending 600 million,and selling or loaning 5 players,highlights that football is rotten to the core.
Obviously our great free press,who never stop to speak truth to power,look the other way,has they are scared of not having access to the team,because ,a picture of Bruno,with a quote from Ruben overrides this.
Any journalist wouldn’t even need to investigate it,has it’s so blatant,they can’t even be ars ed to hide it anymore.
long time with little to show .progress is unable to be found with present side . player power if its allowed cancels Managers like dropping Confetti .AT 81 years of age ... Took up to 40 50 years to
get to grips how clubs work .. A science From childhood to Career ending and onwards . more dont make it to S.A F standard . watched styles of play come and go .. if you can explain the system now for me i would love to still It ... .. 13 MORE years to right this SHIP .. ITS VERY SCARY .. PROBABLY NOT SEE IT . Fans have been marvellous to be Fair . through thin and yes even Thinner .. delighted to hear from old favourite posters of 20 plus years ago ..Watching LA Liga FOR MORE YEARS than I CAN remember .. at least 12 plus .. onwards . USA for another side in last few weeks now 6 in scotland under control. OW Glasgow Rangers be SOON I fear ..
get to grips how clubs work .. A science From childhood to Career ending and onwards . more dont make it to S.A F standard . watched styles of play come and go .. if you can explain the system now for me i would love to still It ... .. 13 MORE years to right this SHIP .. ITS VERY SCARY .. PROBABLY NOT SEE IT . Fans have been marvellous to be Fair . through thin and yes even Thinner .. delighted to hear from old favourite posters of 20 plus years ago ..Watching LA Liga FOR MORE YEARS than I CAN remember .. at least 12 plus .. onwards . USA for another side in last few weeks now 6 in scotland under control. OW Glasgow Rangers be SOON I fear ..
Hi Jim, hope you're well, pass on the forums regards to Pete and Pandy, hope they're keeping well.
0-2 looks most likely tomoz.
Can’t see how we can score,we’ve had the 1/20 Bruno free kicks on Wednesday,we then had the maguire from a corner header,
That’s the 2 odd goals we can get.fulham better than Ipswich,so not looking good for tomoz.
Hopefully onana will be rotated,cos cup game,not dropped.
0-1 as a saver.
Can’t see how we can score,we’ve had the 1/20 Bruno free kicks on Wednesday,we then had the maguire from a corner header,
That’s the 2 odd goals we can get.fulham better than Ipswich,so not looking good for tomoz.
Hopefully onana will be rotated,cos cup game,not dropped.
0-1 as a saver.
Utd are capable of winning big games but only a fool would back them before seeing how they start today.
Even then they are libel to gift Fulham a goal or two.
Even then they are libel to gift Fulham a goal or two.
Utd playing as good as they can,Fulham shocking,hence why it’s only 0-1
"Now In no position to retain the trophy" say talksport, wtf.... They are pretending to be at game live, but watching on TV, Walofs.
Although marginally better than listening to Sutton on bbc.
The radio coms are now very very poor, no idea how to paint a picture of events, even give a little idea what's unfolding, that shout guy on bbc the one that goes nuclear at a shot talks a lot of inane drivel with Co, often Sutton,they need cleared out the lot.
Just say what's hap, can't be that diff, most fans listening are neutral and don't need the added excitement at expence of a basic commentary.
As for the game I could not comment as I couldn't really get a handle on how it played out, last time talkcrap will be on.
PS. When does Jim Ratcliffe get some heat from the usual Glazier haters?
Although marginally better than listening to Sutton on bbc.
The radio coms are now very very poor, no idea how to paint a picture of events, even give a little idea what's unfolding, that shout guy on bbc the one that goes nuclear at a shot talks a lot of inane drivel with Co, often Sutton,they need cleared out the lot.
Just say what's hap, can't be that diff, most fans listening are neutral and don't need the added excitement at expence of a basic commentary.
As for the game I could not comment as I couldn't really get a handle on how it played out, last time talkcrap will be on.
PS. When does Jim Ratcliffe get some heat from the usual Glazier haters?
i didn't think utd were that bad, they are poor by top 4 standards and the quality they have is limited but they did have a go and the pens could have gone their way
harsh on lind/zirk at the end, if they'd had a decent striker i don't think it would have got to pens, hojland is one of the worst prem signings in history, way out of his depth
harsh on lind/zirk at the end, if they'd had a decent striker i don't think it would have got to pens, hojland is one of the worst prem signings in history, way out of his depth
I dont think Hojlund is half as bad as is made out. None of the wingers pass the ball and Bruno doesnt either so feel sorry for any striker playing in that team.
Fernandes has some 5hite written about him. Hes ok at set pieces but absolute trash everywhere else. He is constantly giving the ball away and whinging at team mates. I'd say they hate him in the dressing room.
Fernandes has some 5hite written about him. Hes ok at set pieces but absolute trash everywhere else. He is constantly giving the ball away and whinging at team mates. I'd say they hate him in the dressing room.
Hojlund hasn't been good by any stretch but you can't think of loads of chances he misses because he gets next to know supply.
hojland has a terrible first touch and his awareness of what's around him is nothing like good enough, obi looked an improvement and he's barely played top flight
utd paid at least 30m too much at the point they bought him, simple question is which prem sides would he get into and the answer isn't very many
utd paid at least 30m too much at the point they bought him, simple question is which prem sides would he get into and the answer isn't very many
Yes, we should have got Kane but they used Levy as an excuse to not pay the money....all water under the bridge now though.
Can I ask what the 'A' and 'B' stand for now? Not that it really was ever a thing but obv it aint 'Anyone But' anymore?
Dont need to witty Nobs your club does it everyweek for me,gutless bunch of merceneries
Keep heading to the bottom see you in the Championship if we can stay up..
Keep heading to the bottom see you in the Championship if we can stay up..
How refreshing, a bright energetic performance full of attacking play, would have been nice if Hojlund had scored to put the cherry on the cake but he should still take positives from his performance tonight.
Someone can also finally tell Shaw that it no longer matters how long he'll be out injured because whisper it quietly, we may just have signed an excellent player in Dorgu who was brilliant tonight and is going to be a massive attacking threat down that flank for us.
Someone can also finally tell Shaw that it no longer matters how long he'll be out injured because whisper it quietly, we may just have signed an excellent player in Dorgu who was brilliant tonight and is going to be a massive attacking threat down that flank for us.
Dorgu was very energetic and good to see someone his position get forward so much, unfortunately it looked like he has been taking shooting tips from Hojlund 
Thought there were a few decent showings - some players and our general performances have improved in the last few games. Also have to consider that Sociedad over the 2 games were dreadful - I've never seen us win so many duels and physical challenges - the main beneficiary being Hojlund.
Thought there were a few decent showings - some players and our general performances have improved in the last few games. Also have to consider that Sociedad over the 2 games were dreadful - I've never seen us win so many duels and physical challenges - the main beneficiary being Hojlund.
Not too bothered about Dorgu's shooting tbh, if tonight was a template for him going forward he looks like he has that ability to be a creator of havoc for the opposition with his rampaging runs that will open up spaces and chances for others. Garnacho was also brighter tonight, Zirkzee too, yes Sociedad were poor, but we've been awful against plenty of poor sides ourselves through the past few years.
Credit where it is due and the chances are we will revert to type, but tonight was a good performance.
Credit where it is due and the chances are we will revert to type, but tonight was a good performance.
Real Sociedad were very poor. It's easy for a boxer to look good when he isn't chewing leather.
To win anything we need to win against sides far better than Real Sociedad week after week.
Very pleased with Heaven and Dorgu's energy. Also pleased they didn't cost £60m each!!!
To win anything we need to win against sides far better than Real Sociedad week after week.
Very pleased with Heaven and Dorgu's energy. Also pleased they didn't cost £60m each!!!
Serious question - do you lot want to win the europa? If you do you will be in the Ch league which is 'back where you belong' but could right royally feck up your prem season?
IMVHO Manchester United winning anything other than a football scratch card this or even next season would be a minor miracle
Making hard work of it against a poor Leicster team,now your 18 year old stumbled over and was carried away.Comms getting excited it wasnt career ending ffs.Hes not physically ready to play in the league why do you think Arsenal let him go...
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/17t3wa0387aqpih7a8dwh/1025-2.mov?rlkey=a1aaa0... your eyes only
My mates put this together. Some might see a few faces.as we were the first team to cross the Tiber. 2007
Its a bit different
My mates put this together. Some might see a few faces.as we were the first team to cross the Tiber. 2007
Its a bit different
United's season has been doomed since instead of sacking EtH they extended his contract and gave him £200m to spend
We could get luck but then again we could cop a hiding
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That just about covers it.
Where has all the flair gone? Always used to enjoy Utd games. They just look so stale these days, must be awful to see when you are a fan. Chess board football was never their style of playing, hope things pick up for you.
I thought Mainoo looked calm & collected when he came on.
Other than that I wouldn't know where to begin.
Other than that I wouldn't know where to begin.
The Radcliffe delusion.
New stadium..
They will struggle together 50k in the old stadium,the way things are going.
A lot of season ticket holders,are renewed by people who don’t go,or are dead.they are stopping this.
My best guess would be.
4-8 people use a season ticket each season,it’s shared around family members,mates.
At face value price,
This keeps fans involved in the club.but because they are demanding full I.d. Checks,a lot are giving them up.
People were happy paying for ticket,cos they knew if they can’t go,someone else would.
This is now over.
I reckon 20k are affected by this,
There’s no way they’d fill a new stadium,would struggle to fill this one.
Long term,this will damage future generations of going.
Ratcliffe has literally done nothing to move the club forward.he believes he’s saving a failing business.but united wasn’t failing off the pitch,he’s just ripped it to shreads.
Bring back the glaziers,pmsl.
New stadium..
They will struggle together 50k in the old stadium,the way things are going.
A lot of season ticket holders,are renewed by people who don’t go,or are dead.they are stopping this.
My best guess would be.
4-8 people use a season ticket each season,it’s shared around family members,mates.
At face value price,
This keeps fans involved in the club.but because they are demanding full I.d. Checks,a lot are giving them up.
People were happy paying for ticket,cos they knew if they can’t go,someone else would.
This is now over.
I reckon 20k are affected by this,
There’s no way they’d fill a new stadium,would struggle to fill this one.
Long term,this will damage future generations of going.
Ratcliffe has literally done nothing to move the club forward.he believes he’s saving a failing business.but united wasn’t failing off the pitch,he’s just ripped it to shreads.
Bring back the glaziers,pmsl.
Clubs want tourists who spend money on food and shirts.
How hard can it be to get a dodgy driver's licence these days? It's not like the club are going to be granted access to he DVLA database.
Personally I think the new ground is a ****g eyesore.
How hard can it be to get a dodgy driver's licence these days? It's not like the club are going to be granted access to he DVLA database.
Personally I think the new ground is a ****g eyesore.
But they ll run out of tourists,
Virtually every home game this season,10k fans have watched the 2nd half under the stand on the concourse.
The 3k that go away to Europe,most of them don’t go to home games,they let family friends go.then a lot of the away league games,same again,they pick and choose when to go.
His 100k stadium is just more revenue driven,has is his cost cutting.but you eventually run out of customers.
It won’t be built,I think he thought the gov might fund part of it has they regeneration Trafford park,but they ve said they’re not doing it.
So he’s cut Christmas parties,layed off a couple of cleaners,then wants to borrow a billion to build an identical stadium in the car park of the existing stadium.
Which is still seen as one of the best stadiums in England anyway.
He could put a 3rd tier on the main stand ,and increase capacity.
Most clubs who build new stadiums,do it because they ve got to.
There’s no business sense to do it.
It won’t happen.has when he sees the figures ,it won’t add up.think it’s just a diversion.
At least the glaziers just said nothing and milked the club,this guy is a bull shotter,
His plan might work in 20 years,but by then no one will care.
Virtually every home game this season,10k fans have watched the 2nd half under the stand on the concourse.
The 3k that go away to Europe,most of them don’t go to home games,they let family friends go.then a lot of the away league games,same again,they pick and choose when to go.
His 100k stadium is just more revenue driven,has is his cost cutting.but you eventually run out of customers.
It won’t be built,I think he thought the gov might fund part of it has they regeneration Trafford park,but they ve said they’re not doing it.
So he’s cut Christmas parties,layed off a couple of cleaners,then wants to borrow a billion to build an identical stadium in the car park of the existing stadium.
Which is still seen as one of the best stadiums in England anyway.
He could put a 3rd tier on the main stand ,and increase capacity.
Most clubs who build new stadiums,do it because they ve got to.
There’s no business sense to do it.
It won’t happen.has when he sees the figures ,it won’t add up.think it’s just a diversion.
At least the glaziers just said nothing and milked the club,this guy is a bull shotter,
His plan might work in 20 years,but by then no one will care.
There's about a 25 year waiting list for season tickets currently so don't think they'll be running out of customers any time soon..still virtually selling out each week even with the current struggles..
as for European away support not going to many home games, that's just nonsense frankly...a handful might do as you've suggested but it's far from typical..
as for European away support not going to many home games, that's just nonsense frankly...a handful might do as you've suggested but it's far from typical..
There’s no accurate figures for anything.
So it’s a best guess,vibe,word of mouth.
This 25 year waiting list is not updated each year,5k might be dead,5 k might now have a ticket,a lot might not now want one.its just a list of desirability,at the time they put their name on the list.
The 3k euro always,most will have a season ticket,but don’t go,let family and friends go,cos it’s a boring day out to a home game,they don’t bother,and just go away.
You land back in Manchester on a Friday night after 3 days in Russia,so can’t be arsed going to Fulham at home on prime at 8pm Sunday night.
70% who buy a season ticket,used to do so,knowing,they ll get 30/40 quid of mates on the crap games,just go to the big ones.plus no one wants to give it up,so buy it as security ,with little intention of going.
Now they are demanding full I.D,no swaps etc,it will make a lot just give it up.
This then means 5-10 other people also don’t go.so the club is losing loyal fans.invested in the club.
The reason 20/25% of the crowd,go down on the concourse at 3.30,then stay there,is because ,they cant sit with mates,etc.
They could maybe swallow the price hike,but not if they can’t let their mates go if they can’t.
It’s a downward spiral of losing customers,but initial might get away with it,but longer term wont
So it’s a best guess,vibe,word of mouth.
This 25 year waiting list is not updated each year,5k might be dead,5 k might now have a ticket,a lot might not now want one.its just a list of desirability,at the time they put their name on the list.
The 3k euro always,most will have a season ticket,but don’t go,let family and friends go,cos it’s a boring day out to a home game,they don’t bother,and just go away.
You land back in Manchester on a Friday night after 3 days in Russia,so can’t be arsed going to Fulham at home on prime at 8pm Sunday night.
70% who buy a season ticket,used to do so,knowing,they ll get 30/40 quid of mates on the crap games,just go to the big ones.plus no one wants to give it up,so buy it as security ,with little intention of going.
Now they are demanding full I.D,no swaps etc,it will make a lot just give it up.
This then means 5-10 other people also don’t go.so the club is losing loyal fans.invested in the club.
The reason 20/25% of the crowd,go down on the concourse at 3.30,then stay there,is because ,they cant sit with mates,etc.
They could maybe swallow the price hike,but not if they can’t let their mates go if they can’t.
It’s a downward spiral of losing customers,but initial might get away with it,but longer term wont
25 year wait
Imagine joining the list after the treble season and you can get a ticket next season.
Imagine joining the list after the treble season and you can get a ticket next season.
Was a lot shorter wait in 1999 ironically..
If people aren't making proper use of season tickets I'm not too bothered if they lose them..there's plenty that will use them as intended..though I maintain I just think that's largely untrue... Utd haven't exactly been clocking up massive Euro miles in the last 2 seasons...and half of the away trips are followed by away Prem games anyway that are incredibly difficult to get and massively over subscribed..
If season ticket sales did genuinely drop significantly it would make it a lot easier to attend games with mates as you could just book 3's and 4's with a membership a lot easier than currently..
Putting up OAP's and youngsters (non season ticket) is poor but typical of the modern game - not just Utd and general price hikes the same..but with recent inflationary pressure absolutely inevitable ..don't like or approve it but it's hardly unique..
at the end of the day they'll price to what they think they can sell and always did to some extent. Up to people vote with their choices (not just at Utd).
If people aren't making proper use of season tickets I'm not too bothered if they lose them..there's plenty that will use them as intended..though I maintain I just think that's largely untrue... Utd haven't exactly been clocking up massive Euro miles in the last 2 seasons...and half of the away trips are followed by away Prem games anyway that are incredibly difficult to get and massively over subscribed..
If season ticket sales did genuinely drop significantly it would make it a lot easier to attend games with mates as you could just book 3's and 4's with a membership a lot easier than currently..
Putting up OAP's and youngsters (non season ticket) is poor but typical of the modern game - not just Utd and general price hikes the same..but with recent inflationary pressure absolutely inevitable ..don't like or approve it but it's hardly unique..
at the end of the day they'll price to what they think they can sell and always did to some extent. Up to people vote with their choices (not just at Utd).
Mines gone up from 106 to 180 a month for 2. (coming off a deal)
Not many given ticket up, and still no sign of new season tickets being issued.
Yep, if you enjoy it then you find the money and that's it.
Not many given ticket up, and still no sign of new season tickets being issued.
Yep, if you enjoy it then you find the money and that's it.
Last 3 times arsenal have finished 2nd in league,Utd win a cup,
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Clubs do not want season tickets and will increasingly attempt to phase them out, they want to be able to sell them to tourists at over inflated prices, if season tickets ended tomorrow the stadium would be full the next game and the gate receipts would greatly increase.
We were greatly flattered last night, for the first 20 minutes we were shambolic and kept giving the ball away under the high press, if that continued it would have been a very tough night, the game swung in a 15 minute period with the goal against the run of play and then the pen and Bruno's very well taken goal.
That said I thought that they would cause us problems in the second half as they went sh1t or bust but we handled the occasion brilliantly in the and completely snuffed them out.
We were greatly flattered last night, for the first 20 minutes we were shambolic and kept giving the ball away under the high press, if that continued it would have been a very tough night, the game swung in a 15 minute period with the goal against the run of play and then the pen and Bruno's very well taken goal.
That said I thought that they would cause us problems in the second half as they went sh1t or bust but we handled the occasion brilliantly in the and completely snuffed them out.
Next season,if you miss 4 games ,they will take your season ticket off you,
Unless you give it back to the club for that game,which their stan flashman department(oldies will know this).will re sell the ticket,like vinted,but at a lot extra .
Effectively ,jimmy ,ill buy or sell Ratcliffe,never misses an opportunity to milk the fans,
Think the logic is,they want you there,so you might spend .
Still can’t understand the logic of not letting family and friends using the ticket,as they might spend more if it’s a one off treat going.but maybe jimmy best seats,thinks you’re making money on the side.
Obviously,united want ,80k corporate tickets,but they won’t get that and will run out of new customers,so it’s a death spiral.
Jim ,would be a great business manager,in any other field than football,stripping everything down to max out ,profit and waste great.
Then they sell mctomminey for 20 mill,to buy onana for 60 mill and the logic goes out the window.
Given his penny pinching there’s no way a new ground is cost effective.
Unless you give it back to the club for that game,which their stan flashman department(oldies will know this).will re sell the ticket,like vinted,but at a lot extra .
Effectively ,jimmy ,ill buy or sell Ratcliffe,never misses an opportunity to milk the fans,
Think the logic is,they want you there,so you might spend .
Still can’t understand the logic of not letting family and friends using the ticket,as they might spend more if it’s a one off treat going.but maybe jimmy best seats,thinks you’re making money on the side.
Obviously,united want ,80k corporate tickets,but they won’t get that and will run out of new customers,so it’s a death spiral.
Jim ,would be a great business manager,in any other field than football,stripping everything down to max out ,profit and waste great.
Then they sell mctomminey for 20 mill,to buy onana for 60 mill and the logic goes out the window.
Given his penny pinching there’s no way a new ground is cost effective.
Aren't there consumer laws to protect season ticket holders from abuse?
We looked scarily bad yesterday, Amorim does like the sound of his own voice but is making the mistake that by saying things that he thinks will align him and curry favour with the fans is always the best policy....it isn't
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