MANCHESTER UNITED

Rome wasn’t built in day but on that
Going be long long road for Man U

Garnacho isn't fast enough for a counterattacking team

Brief synopsis, poor performance, no new manager bounce, no criticism of the manager (as you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear)) although you could wonder that if the players aren't able to raise a gallop on day 1 how bad could it be if things don't improve and they start asking....Ruben who??

CUBE

If he's given time to change the squad he will be good for United

The problem is the club is rotten behind the scenes, and a guy like Ten Hag gave up , which is not something you see from hard Dutch types in football

He will have no money if they are building a new stadium

duffy Ruben said he'd had the players for 2 days and he could see during the game they had to think about what to do and where they should be.

He also said they needed to physically improve to compete.

As Duffy said, if Amorim didn't know how much improvement was needed, he will now after the first game. He won't be used to not winning, especially against newly promoted teams and Ipswich probably shaded it - especially in terms of clear chances.

He has come in at the busiest time of the season with games coming every 3 or 4 days. Whether that's a good thing (will find out more quickly about a wider range of players) or a bad thing (no time to work on things in training) is a good question.....

Looks as though he's lucked in to the fittest squad in 3 years...

a week away from virtually everyone being available..

Wing backs were an issue today with both playing as inverted (unusual for that position and not his style @ Sporting) though with Amad being used in such an attacking way probably suited on that side for this game...not sure in the PL he'll get away with playing Amad in that role most weeks though the lad does put in a shift and has a serious case to be one of the 10's...

Shaw or Malacia @LWB would help improve the balance and then either Mazroui or Dalot on their natural side @RWB also..

Ugarte presumably only didn't start on back of late return and jet lag..for a manager that values intensity, Casemiro and Eriksen in centre mid is pretty unlikely beyond this game..both Mainoo and Mount in that equation and/or possibly Bruno playing deeper as he did after the subs.

Looked frazzled after one game...welcome to the club...

Looked frazzled after one game

At the moment Amad should be the first name on the team sheet, he is currently head and shoulders, not literally, above everyone else, he has a very rare talent these days in that his close control is exceptional and he beats players, he reminds me of Salah with the ball at his feet, high praise indeed!!!!! hallelujah for that!!!!!

Can see already that Amorim wants to take a look at as many players as possible. The wing backs can get into good positions so you can see why he wants players there that can take advantage - a winger rather than a full back.

There's also lots of flexibility within that 343 formation (as there is with any formation) in terms if player positioning and movement, without changing to the usual 4231 - apparently something a certain pundit couldn't get his head around last night!

  I thought he was going to self combust at one stage when Guarnacho pulled out wide.
Then spent 20 mins counting how many we had at the back at each play.

I'm really enjoying watching us at the moment.
There's much more team play both on and off the ball than before.

Can already see certain patterns , something I never seen under Eric.
We had 72% possession last night which is our highest of the season and we had the 4th highest against Ipswich.
So two of the top 4 down to Ruben in two games.

You can only see it getting better as they get more used to it.

I know it was only Bodo but that is the very sort of game we would have struggled in previously, ie. a strong direct physical team full of running.

I'm sure there will be tough days but he does seem to see the game as it happens and makes tweaks or changes as needed something that never really happened before.

It's nice to have a bit of optimism again.

im sure he will prove to be a decent appointment-was rumoured for a mumber of prem jobs including the liverpool job if you remember so he has to be highly rated.

i wish him well good managers always welcome to english football -- but not too well

The wing backs can get into good positions so you can see why he wants players there that can take advantage - a winger rather than a full back.

Malacia somewhat understandably after so long out (though not sure he looked that decent before) had some very opportunities from wide left..that were wasted.

the harsher realities of having players like Amad (or last night Anthony) and/or having to play defenders in those positions will be seen once they actually play anyone..rather than Ipswich and the Norwegian champions of course..

Very tough changing systems with so few training days so understandably some mistakes made in defensive reponsibilities but could easily have conceded 3 ir 4 last night so much work to do..certainly some of the interchanges of passing were better than we've seen - largely a fundamental of getting players closer together in the attacking third.

Biggest plus remains seeing a bench full or first team players rather than the usual of the last few seasons.

Another false dawn Everton pmsl

Don't be such a dick 11kv

No Manchester United fan is getting carried away tonight.

Chomp chomp nobby

That was pretty even until the first goal with Everton having some good opportunities which they didn't capitalise on. Good to see us going on to get more goals rather than having to hang on in the latter stages.

Zirkzee played better than he has done (ie he looked like a footballer) but Amad was the stand out player again.

I'm going to have to give credit to Amorim for pulling off the feat of making Zirkzee look like a professional footballer[, for 90 minutes at least

don,
Didn't see your post

I don't wish to sound over the top but Amad was electric this weekend. We haven't seen a player like that since Ronaldo was in his prime.

It wouldn't surprise me if Florentino Pérez now knows the name Amad Diallo.

Well I'm just glad you didn't sound over the top.

knob.

That was a good one PP to be fair

Man U fans paid good money come down south watch this piss
Ain’t lay glove on them all night
Played still pigeon all night too embarrassing
Till now 65 min in

Kids, just say no.

Goal fezt at the stadium of dreams tonight....

The sad bastards out in force tonight.

Dont talk about the crowd at OT Nooby ,dats not nice they is your compadres in the lower level trenches

All great teams are built on solid defences. Until we have one of those we will get beaten regularly in the Premier league.

Onana has shockers. We need a dominant shot stopper. David de Gea?

GOAL KEEPER PMSL

Useless! I'd Brentford and Villa for a treble.

Bruce Grobbelaar would have been in awe of Onana's master performance there!Investigation?

Onana guessing for that shot. Went before it left his boot. Martinez marking a bloke 7 inches taller than him for the corner.

the latest with ashworth sums them up, dive in pay over the odds for average, then a year later it's all off again, the way the club is run is never going to give them a chance on the field, they just repeat shambolic

I have to say I am a little concerned by the current state of affairs at Manchester United.

What if the London and Surrey United fans give up on them?

The M25 will not be empty every other Saturday and breakfast and pizza outlets around Euston Station might be forced out of business.

Says a lot when your response to being behind at home late on is to send on Rashford. Mr Amorin needs to work on this team running around like deer in headlights. Hojland was bought as the new Harland. He plainly isnt.

he does try though which is one up on most of the moody down tools merchants hiding there, he might improve too but many of the squad won't

Dan Ashworth has left. What a  total 5hitshow.Ratcliffe is worse than the Glaziers ffs

he's not turning out to be a saviour for sure

Bring  in the kids they have some decent ones apparently

As good or not as Amorim might be, he's going to be out of his depth this early in his management career trying to sort this mess out, that was the point in doubting his appointment, as it collapses further we will once again see less and less effort out on the pitch and the players will look at him and wonder who he is, you must have a manager that at least has extensive experience and is someone the players will at least would be in awe of.

Ashworth won't be the last to leave either.

Ratcliffes mediocre comment was awful as well. It may be true but as a new owner you dont say that. It only confirms you have no plan or route back to success/progression. It displays frustration at an inability to influence whats going on at the club.

Ratcliffe showed at Nice he is awful. He appointed some ex Cardiff guy as transfer guru who proceeded to buy a load of bust EPL cast offs.

The Ashworth exit needs to be explained imho. any journos going to ask the questions.....

doesn't need much explaining, they appointed badly, by the time they realised it was going to cost them millions one way or another, get rid, repeat

never addresses the real problem, just hang it on another scapegoat so that certain people above never have to be accountable,

It needs a lot of explaining. He was ushered out very suddenly. Smacks of a bust-up.

smacks of he was shoite and they didn't do their homework

personality clash whatever that means

Ratcliffe & Ashworth just out of their depth at the biggest club in the World.

Pmsl, biggest maybe 20yrs ago....

11kv, why are you all here then?

Chomp chomp

Face it 11kv, win lose or draw United are allways the biggest news. That's why sad little @rsewipes like yourself spend so much time here

Problem is Nob we all think our club is great,but in reality some are punching way above their weight and Utd are heavily in that group now like it or not, so if I can laugh at someone who cant see it then I will keep coming back.....

#Billionsspentbottomhalf

Utd will not win the EPL for ten years.They have the money but no brains.

Enjoy watching the replay of Onana the banana.

Ashworth paying for extending last guys contract, shirley.

Amorin will be OK, with backing, but needs crowd behind him too.

Lots of negativity doesn't help any club, let alone
those trying to get back to top.

as i have said on many occasions the rot at manu is at the top. until the glasiers and theitr stooges are replaed united are going nowhere fast

replaced

Well if glazers are turning crowd and support
against club and team it's not improving soon.

Ashley at Newcastle just shows how poor ownership
however well meaning just holds everything back
when things sour.

And of course very little crowd can do to change it.

Amorim won't be there long enough to prove whether he's good or not, the problem is too big, like said before the squad is a giant fatberg full of immovable sh1t, the contracts, the poor signings, ffp or whatever it's called these all go toward making it impossible to manouvre around, it's like that scene in Austin Powers, where he's trying to do a 3 point turn in that confined space...impossible!!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGiQOCX9UbM 

your not wrong duffy ....but surely the owners must sort the situation out ..but they wont coz they have taken the club for a ride and i really dont see how even god could turn it around.

they need to go back and look at what made them successful and bring it to modern day standasd ffs even the stadium is crumbling through lack of investment a fter having been top noth 30 years ago.

whats happening at a youth level , who is bringing on the talent of the future- even rashford who is local is on 350k per week for 45 years- crazy

4/5 years

Dec 8, 2024 -- 10:46AM, elise wrote:

smacks of he was shoite and they didn't do their homework

They wouldn't usher him quietly out the back door straight after a match if that were the case. You get ushered out if you are fired on the spot for something more serious than being incompetent.
The decision to extend ETH was made before Ashworth officially started. He may have been involved but it doesn't explain the suddenness.
More likely he was against Amorim and/or had a bust up with Berrada yesterday after the match.

It depends how much gardening he was doing in newcastle
between emails to man utd, and if he was involved.

But yeah, quite likely something more recent tipped
it over, but it's a lot of money gone on a whim if that's so.

Somebody at Newcastle told me Ashworth to man utd
could fall through, for personal reasons, but
I thought that was no more than churlishness at the
time. Who knows.

I expect one or two to step up from the academy lads. There is no need to pay 60m for utility players. Liverpool have shown that.

Articles suggesting he wasn't onboard with the Amorim appointment (wanted Southgate)..

long term that probably made it unlikely he could stay in role as Sporting Director but likely the immediacy sparked from some lively words between him and Berrada after yesterdays defeat -  who seems to have been the key player in Amorim's recruitment.

What's the point of the sporting director if he's not the one choosing the head coach?

Indeed...seems Berrada is more hands on with the football side of things from his Chief Exec role than might have been expected..(including by Ashworth I suspect)...

Athletic claiming Ratcliffe umbarage at Ashworth suggesting they use outsource data to select new coach...

Ratcliffe supposedly said it was Ashworths job and why were they outsourcing and not doing it in house.....

Has that idiot Jim watched the in house Utd decisions since Ferguson left???

Ratcliffe is a typical brexiteer.....make 5hit of something and then blame everyone else.

Here you have Dan Ashworth basically stating how one of the best run clubs in football (Brighton) do it and Ratcliffe sacks him....

LMFAO

Jim wanted Mary from accounts to be seconded to the data section to pull data on managers from the Ugandan 4th division

The Southgate story is total rubbish and think its a dead fish thrown out for the idiot fans.

You honestly think Ashworth is going to bin off a job cos Gareth wasn't appointed. Total rubbish pumped out cos they know the fans didnt want Southgate.

Raginqueen proving once again with his dedication that United are the biggest club in the world.

Luv, you village is missing you!

Biggest garbage heap.

Did you claim any compo on the VW emmisions fraud Nobby...

Manchester United open to selling Marcus Rashford amid lifestyle concerns

Exclusive: Club were willing to offload forward last summer and remain receptive to bids

Marcus Rashford is fighting to save his Manchester United career after Telegraph Sport learnt the club were open to selling him last summer and remain receptive to bids being made.

United are said to be concerned about Rashford’s lifestyle off the pitch and there are fears he is no longer as focused on his football as he could be. Sources have said he is dealing with a number of off-field distractions that are affecting his performances.

maybe 350,000 a week on a 4/6 year contract may have something to do with it

4/5

If Rashford was a 30 prem goals a season player then maybe he'd be earning his Manchester United wages.

As it is he's more of a Wolves player.

Newspaper stories like this usually come from Agents or clubs.

The whole point of these sporting directors,etc.

Was to put another layer of approval in sourcing new players,basically to stop managers getting bungs by buying crap players.

Zirkzee
Ugarte
Yolo

Sold mactom.

Clearly dosent work.

Ratcliffe clearly thinks he knows best so Ashworth had to go.

Looking for bids for Rashford is delusional on his wages. Maybe the Saudis will pay but doubt he'd want to go there.

If that rumour is from a club source then not the smartest to leak that he's distracted or about his lifestyle.

None of those summer transfers had anything to do with Ashworth imho. Most were ETH driven.

If that rumour is from a club source then not the smartest to leak that he's distracted or about his lifestyle.

A business the size of United will have intelligence about key staff. Maybe this is the club trying to get him to focus on football or face life in Saudi.

You seem to think United have some sort of power over him. He can sit there for 3.5 years, collect and leave for free and there's nothing United can do about it. He wouldn't be the first to do it either.

Yes Rashford can sit on the bench or in the stands for 3 years.

He can even leave on a free. I'm sure Stockport Country will give him a one year contract.

Fact is United don't need players who don't perform.

Ultimately the club can not issue a squad number for him.

Why would he leave on a free unless someone else will pay him 300k+ a week? Think Martial. Maguire did something similar a year or two ago. The club is powerless and there is a group of players in that dressing room that know they'll never get a deal this good again unless they run their contracts down.

Why not issue  squad number for him. Better to loan him out and get someone to pay him half his wages and United pay the other half, like Sancho.

Norbert "A business the size of United will have intelligence about key staff"  You would hope so, but..........

Why would he leave on a free unless someone else will pay him 300k+ a week?

I never said he would.

But he has to consider his attractiveness to other clubs is plummeting. Right now he'd struggle to get a good deal at any club.

And I'll repeat. United don't need players who don't give their all. He's going to have to rediscover his form or get used to being a spectator.

I think the point is that nowadays more and more players are happy being spectators. Looks like he's more about his personal brand now and showing up in the right circles and parties. Any fee Utd get in the next couple of years will end up going straight to him to pay down his contract.

In fairness to Rashford, you can't really blame anyone for wanting an easy life with a big wad of cash.

He could go to PSG, earn big bucks and not get half the (semi deserved) flack he is getting in Manchester.

I think the point is that nowadays more and more players are happy being spectators.

Very fair point. I've always thought it must take a special kind of mentality to maintain standards and efforts in training/matches etc... when you playing for midtable club (Especially one you have no personal link to) and you have no realistic chance of moving to a bigger club. Easy to give it 100% when playing for City, Real Madrid etc...

they won't have many players on the pitch

Its total nonsense as well this leak about a firesale. Utd are in a dire situation. Not a single player brought in under Ten Hag has been a success. In fact most will go down as some of the biggest busts and worst buys in EPL history. They will be taking massive hits on the likes of Onana, Antony etc... unless by a miracle Amorim can get something out of them.

Ragingqueen obsessed with the world's biggest club. Absolutely obsessed.

Ditto elise. He must scour the www hourly looking for every bit of news about his red and white heroes

United are powerless over Rashford, they only way they would have any kind of sway over him would be IF he actually gave a fcuk which looks highly questionable, for all we know, and it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility looking at him for the past couple of years, he could say to United, do your worst, I'll sit here for 3 years and if I never kick another ball again professionally after that, who gives a fcuk, I've got plenty!!!!

Further embarrassment for Ineos as Ashworth becomes a front runner the sporting director role at Arsenal.

Rashford clearly has personal issues.

We know he has missed at least 1 game due to heavy drinking.

And it's rumoured he is a heavy gambler.

He was also seen wearing a *grill* on a recent trip to New York!!!

Maybe he wants to go play in the MLS