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Had 2 fit centre halves and the 2nd choice left back on bench yet plays Shaw at CH and Dalot at right back where he has Almaron and trippier to contend with.
Rashfords been naff whichever side he plays on this season. In Istanbul Garnacho had the run of the left side and was subbed when 2 up to be replaced by Pellistri who usually plays on the right.
And how Martial keeps getting in is a mystery. Ironic that 2 players who seem to be putting the effort in this season are the 2 he tried to offload to West Ham.
Rashfords been naff whichever side he plays on this season. In Istanbul Garnacho had the run of the left side and was subbed when 2 up to be replaced by Pellistri who usually plays on the right.
And how Martial keeps getting in is a mystery. Ironic that 2 players who seem to be putting the effort in this season are the 2 he tried to offload to West Ham.
Full backs ain't got a chance if centre halfs let
Wingers run where they want by dropping deep on their own.
Manager needs defence coach to sort them into a unit.
Wingers run where they want by dropping deep on their own.
Manager needs defence coach to sort them into a unit.
The last 2 Utd managers have been the worst in clubs history, the Olly must go brigade must be really proud.
Was fairly obvious Ole had to go (much as I like him) as the players had completely downed tools on him and he had no credible CV from which to win back any credit...
even his achievements were pretty limited if you're suggesting Ten Hag is somehow significantly inferior...
Ole took over from Jose when 6th and finished 6th ...
finished 3rd with only 18 wins and 66pts (a weak PL year) (Ten Hag 75 pts last season in a stronger PL)
the only good season was the covid year (2nd) played in front of near empty stadiums where pressure barely existed in what felt like training games..
and then left with them in 6th after being battered 4-1 by Watford which Ralf kept them in...
Was fairly obvious Ole had to go (much as I like him) as the players had completely downed tools on him and he had no credible CV from which to win back any credit...
even his achievements were pretty limited if you're suggesting Ten Hag is somehow significantly inferior...
Ole took over from Jose when 6th and finished 6th ...
finished 3rd with only 18 wins and 66pts (a weak PL year) (Ten Hag 75 pts last season in a stronger PL)
the only good season was the covid year (2nd) played in front of near empty stadiums where pressure barely existed in what felt like training games..
and then left with them in 6th after being battered 4-1 by Watford which Ralf kept them in...
That was the worst we've seen because of a few things, up until now even through poor play you never thought that there wasn't just a little chance that something might come our way in a game, tonight we looked like we were just waiting to be beat from the very start and it was just a matter of time until they scored and as soon as they did it was all over as you never thought there was even a remote chance of us scoring.
It put to an end of any turning of the corner notion, as someone said above, it might take a little while longer but that was the end for ETH tonight.
Outworked and bullied throughout, very sad to watch.
It put to an end of any turning of the corner notion, as someone said above, it might take a little while longer but that was the end for ETH tonight.
Outworked and bullied throughout, very sad to watch.
was certainly an awful performance..
context would be of 3 aways in less than a full week is pretty tough sledding but doesn't excuse that level of performance...
N'castle are a a very decent side - already done Arsenal and Chelsea..should have done L'pool (but missed some big chances @1-0..)
refreshing to finally see Rashford being called out both on MOTD and the live coverage...embarrassing levels of effort doesn't even begin to cover it...and a lot of the problems came from that...lack of counter threat @ 0-0 was certainly a concern as well that should be a minimum with that front 3 but we're asking Mainoo to already dominate MF in big games away from home - that's probably not realistic...Bruno wasn't great tonight but can't always carry it and should have seen at least one yellow for Schar with a beautifully cynical foul on the counter (which I'm not knocking him for) plus the slightly dubious studs on ankle (not intented so maybe not red but probably was a yellow)...
context would be of 3 aways in less than a full week is pretty tough sledding but doesn't excuse that level of performance...
N'castle are a a very decent side - already done Arsenal and Chelsea..should have done L'pool (but missed some big chances @1-0..)
refreshing to finally see Rashford being called out both on MOTD and the live coverage...embarrassing levels of effort doesn't even begin to cover it...and a lot of the problems came from that...lack of counter threat @ 0-0 was certainly a concern as well that should be a minimum with that front 3 but we're asking Mainoo to already dominate MF in big games away from home - that's probably not realistic...Bruno wasn't great tonight but can't always carry it and should have seen at least one yellow for Schar with a beautifully cynical foul on the counter (which I'm not knocking him for) plus the slightly dubious studs on ankle (not intented so maybe not red but probably was a yellow)...
On another night schar and maguire would have seen 2 yellows
Of course they behave differently after one.
Had a good view on Schar pro foul and it's a yellow
all day. Didn't really see second one until tv tonite
and he stood on him which has been variously viewed by
var over last season. Var can't give yellow, whivh
is clear point of laws that needs to be corrected at some point.
But ref seemed pretty much in control and called out dives
and allowed a game.
Of course they behave differently after one.
Had a good view on Schar pro foul and it's a yellow
all day. Didn't really see second one until tv tonite
and he stood on him which has been variously viewed by
var over last season. Var can't give yellow, whivh
is clear point of laws that needs to be corrected at some point.
But ref seemed pretty much in control and called out dives
and allowed a game.
Probably the worst performance I've ever seen from a united team.
Worse than any of the 6-1s or the 7-0 where at least we were in the games for a while.
We were out run , out fought, out thought , out everything tbh.
I'm not sure what ten hag was watching but how could a few of those come out for the second half.
The lack of effort from Rashford was disgusting and mctom wasn't much better.
Martial away to an aggressive team on a Saturday night, come on.
Second to every ball and losing every challenge other than McGuire and Shaw.
It's probably looking like ten hag is not good enough but he absolutely has to stay for another while to see off the mctoms and Sancho's and Rashford's of this world.
Worse than any of the 6-1s or the 7-0 where at least we were in the games for a while.
We were out run , out fought, out thought , out everything tbh.
I'm not sure what ten hag was watching but how could a few of those come out for the second half.
The lack of effort from Rashford was disgusting and mctom wasn't much better.
Martial away to an aggressive team on a Saturday night, come on.
Second to every ball and losing every challenge other than McGuire and Shaw.
It's probably looking like ten hag is not good enough but he absolutely has to stay for another while to see off the mctoms and Sancho's and Rashford's of this world.
You were far worse last season at sjp.
I don't know about that yhtl.
I just know I've never watched a game so one sided with total dominance in every aspect.
I've never watched and said what am I doing watching these knunts going through the motions again.
They don't care and need to be purged from the club.
I just know I've never watched a game so one sided with total dominance in every aspect.
I've never watched and said what am I doing watching these knunts going through the motions again.
They don't care and need to be purged from the club.
Wor youngster reported not a Man U fan seen anywhere in Newcastle pre match, were the London trains delayed?
Maybe some of the players have had their heads turned by the money they can earn elsewhere.
With the exception of Rashford non of those would be wanted in SA.
And that's just for his name not his football.
And that's just for his name not his football.
3/4 of that team should have stayed in Turkey last week cos that's their level.
Marcus's PR in overdrive yesterday after the TV pundits and written media finally couldn't ignore his stinking attitude.
Pictures released of him working at a food bank and giving everyone a tenner out of his pocket.
He'd have to dole out 35,000 tenners to drop a weeks wages to the poor.
Give a hundred grand to the centre( that he could write off a big % against tax) and it would surely have more benefit to the poor but that doesn't look as saintly I'm afraid.
I personally think he's a fraud off the pitch as well as on it.
Pictures released of him working at a food bank and giving everyone a tenner out of his pocket.
He'd have to dole out 35,000 tenners to drop a weeks wages to the poor.
Give a hundred grand to the centre( that he could write off a big % against tax) and it would surely have more benefit to the poor but that doesn't look as saintly I'm afraid.
I personally think he's a fraud off the pitch as well as on it.
I might have an apology to make to Marcus,
There's suggestions the pic and reports are fake.
I'm sure I read it was reported in the athletic and they are usually fairly accurate but maybe not on this occasion.
There's suggestions the pic and reports are fake.
I'm sure I read it was reported in the athletic and they are usually fairly accurate but maybe not on this occasion.
Dec 3, 2023 -- 9:12AM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:
Maybe some of the players have had their heads turned by the money they can earn elsewhere.
Virtually none of them can earn more elsewhere unless they run down their contract. That's why they're so hard to shift. Maguire on 190k a week - who else will pay him that? West Ham reportedly offered 120k for 4 years and Maguire wanted 14m to leave, which equals the 70kpw shortfall for 4 years, even tho he only had 2 years left on his United contract. United reportedly offered him the full shortfall of 7m and he said no. An extortionate and shameless demand if true.
Ruddy contracts. In the majority of jobs if you're carp at your job you're gone, if you make a mistake that costs your company millions in lost revenue you're gone.
Yeah, if you commit gross misconduct you're gone, Onana has committed that half a dozen times so far this season
Virtually none of them can earn more elsewhere unless they run down their contract.
Jordan Henderson gets £700,000 a week tax free.
Rashford on £350,000 a week at OT probably takes home just shy of £200k after the image rights fiddle.
Let's face it, Marcus is not going to pick up any silverware at OT
Jordan Henderson gets £700,000 a week tax free.
Rashford on £350,000 a week at OT probably takes home just shy of £200k after the image rights fiddle.
Let's face it, Marcus is not going to pick up any silverware at OT
The Saudis are reported to have offered John Rahm £470m (yes very nearly half a billion!!) to join the LIV golf tour.
All kicking off.
Ten hag apparently lost the confidence of senior players over tactics.
Lost the confidence of snowflakes over treatment of Sancho and lost the confidence of Rashford and Martial for being asked to run around.
The club have banned the Manchester evening news and two other outlets from the press conference today.
Nemanja Matic claims players were always late for training at united with him taking over enforcing punctuality and dishing out fines totalling 75k on season.
Sancho and Pogba labelled the worst offenders.
The club is a sh1t show.
Ten hag apparently lost the confidence of senior players over tactics.
Lost the confidence of snowflakes over treatment of Sancho and lost the confidence of Rashford and Martial for being asked to run around.
The club have banned the Manchester evening news and two other outlets from the press conference today.
Nemanja Matic claims players were always late for training at united with him taking over enforcing punctuality and dishing out fines totalling 75k on season.
Sancho and Pogba labelled the worst offenders.
The club is a sh1t show.
At sjp you could see the increase in work rate from
Hojlund and Anthony, but without the midfield joining in.
Interesting to see if they can get that workrate and press
and spread it throughout team.
Hojlund and Anthony, but without the midfield joining in.
Interesting to see if they can get that workrate and press
and spread it throughout team.
Rashford needed benching in early September. Martial should have been sold last season. Neither should have a future at OT.
Best performance of the seas8n so far.
In fact the 3 best performances this season have come with Rashford out.
Brilliant effort from everyone last night and the chances flowed and although we didn't take them you'd like to think of we keep creating that amount the confidence in front of goal will return.
It was interesting to watch Rashford come on for last 13 minutes and after the amount of critisism he took all week he still didn't bother to come out of a jog.
Twice Bruno ran past him to close down and Garnacho who was out in his feet did the same going back on one occasion.
Rashy continued to jog.
In fact the 3 best performances this season have come with Rashford out.
Brilliant effort from everyone last night and the chances flowed and although we didn't take them you'd like to think of we keep creating that amount the confidence in front of goal will return.
It was interesting to watch Rashford come on for last 13 minutes and after the amount of critisism he took all week he still didn't bother to come out of a jog.
Twice Bruno ran past him to close down and Garnacho who was out in his feet did the same going back on one occasion.
Rashy continued to jog.
Energy effort energy effort, how refreshing, the problem is that it just brings into stark focus the times when there isn't any.
What we also need to see is that same energy and effort when we fall behind instead of heads dropping.
What we also need to see is that same energy and effort when we fall behind instead of heads dropping.
I see Man U longest standing sponsor Mohammed bin Salman, the butcher of Riyadh, met and shook hands with evil dictator Vladimir Putin today.
The one sponsoring man utd via new owners cycling team?
very decent performance but an easy fixture to get a reaction in...first home game for a while, evening kick off against a big side, and players stung by media reaction to N'castle game.
as des' - it's fairly obvious that it's easier to get a high energy performance minus Marcus ... as not only is the tone set by his poor effort but players see little value in making the high press with intensity if one player isn't putting it in..as it ceases to work..it worked superbly last night...
certainly didn't look a team that had quit on the manger though - but have to now back it up against a very improved B'mouth..
as des' - it's fairly obvious that it's easier to get a high energy performance minus Marcus ... as not only is the tone set by his poor effort but players see little value in making the high press with intensity if one player isn't putting it in..as it ceases to work..it worked superbly last night...
certainly didn't look a team that had quit on the manger though - but have to now back it up against a very improved B'mouth..
Imitation is often described as the sincerest form of flattery but for Tiger Tiger and his lonesome brain cell it's a necessity.
Not often I'm with GN but this is spot on...
Gary Neville “When I heard these stories coming out, I thought here we go again, the f*ckers. They’re going to try and get another manager sacked, another group of players thrown out. You know it’s happening you can tell it’s sorta been fed, I thought stop winging, shut your mouths and work as hard as you can.” [The Overlap]
Gary Neville “When I heard these stories coming out, I thought here we go again, the f*ckers. They’re going to try and get another manager sacked, another group of players thrown out. You know it’s happening you can tell it’s sorta been fed, I thought stop winging, shut your mouths and work as hard as you can.” [The Overlap]
The thing is Brentford it looks like he's wrong.
They didn't look like a team happy to see off the manager last night.
As you said above it's easier to press and put teams under pressure without Marcus .
The PL is so strong now that one cog not putting in the effort or doing their job gets exploited and makes us so easy to play against.
Would also explain why so many of Rashford's goals come in EL or domestic cup game's against lower div teams or weakened Top tier sides.
It's easier carry someone against these sides .
I really think he's a big problem for us and the infuriating thing is I think he will start him Saturday to give Gnashers a rest we will be told.
They didn't look like a team happy to see off the manager last night.
As you said above it's easier to press and put teams under pressure without Marcus .
The PL is so strong now that one cog not putting in the effort or doing their job gets exploited and makes us so easy to play against.
Would also explain why so many of Rashford's goals come in EL or domestic cup game's against lower div teams or weakened Top tier sides.
It's easier carry someone against these sides .
I really think he's a big problem for us and the infuriating thing is I think he will start him Saturday to give Gnashers a rest we will be told.
the leakers... assuming there are (or is) and that it's not just total bs are always going to inflate the % of players sharing their view...but in most dressing rooms there's a lot that can be easily lead one way or t'other...depending who they think will win out or just weakness of personality (and we know there's a few of them)
Managers that reward training effort and don't shut doors on players bar Sancho for good reason typically have a chance to re-invent the team a bit..last night maybe proof of that but as referenced that was quite an easy game for any player to put it in (or risk OT turning on them not the manager)...and the Rashford decision at the weekend is big as is Marcus respsonse....
I (and I'm guessing you share this view) just don't think Marcus is going to change...he'll maybe up for it for a game or two and then revert to type...maybe quicker if results/performances aren't great...manager (who I;ve generally sided with as you) has the moment to potentially make this work but feels like a coins toss as to whether he does or not...and part of that is no more special treatment of Marcus...
Managers that reward training effort and don't shut doors on players bar Sancho for good reason typically have a chance to re-invent the team a bit..last night maybe proof of that but as referenced that was quite an easy game for any player to put it in (or risk OT turning on them not the manager)...and the Rashford decision at the weekend is big as is Marcus respsonse....
I (and I'm guessing you share this view) just don't think Marcus is going to change...he'll maybe up for it for a game or two and then revert to type...maybe quicker if results/performances aren't great...manager (who I;ve generally sided with as you) has the moment to potentially make this work but feels like a coins toss as to whether he does or not...and part of that is no more special treatment of Marcus...
United's season has been sh!t, an embarrassing farce yet we are 6th, just ahead of the world's richest club and just 3 points behind Manchester Cheats!
you're old enough not to just expect success to fall in your lap...few too many on this thread been spoilt in the Fergie years..
seasons are 38 games not 5 or 10...judge the seasons work...not just Utd but anybody...Utd had loads of injuries early on...Spurs and Newcastle now..and Chelsea..
seasons are 38 games not 5 or 10...judge the seasons work...not just Utd but anybody...Utd had loads of injuries early on...Spurs and Newcastle now..and Chelsea..
Yep agree with all of that 8:16 post Brentford.
What I don't get is when Marcus first came in the side his workrate was phenomenal.
But somewhere along the ole reign his effort dropped and the non tackling walking Marcus appeared.
Hard to know exactly why but if I had to guess I'd say entitlement and believing his own hype.
Some believe he has a playing clause in his contract but I doubt it very much but I would say the club hierarchy egged on by sponsors put pressure on our managers to play him.
I think ETH will live or die on how he negotiates this conundrum.
What I don't get is when Marcus first came in the side his workrate was phenomenal.
But somewhere along the ole reign his effort dropped and the non tackling walking Marcus appeared.
Hard to know exactly why but if I had to guess I'd say entitlement and believing his own hype.
Some believe he has a playing clause in his contract but I doubt it very much but I would say the club hierarchy egged on by sponsors put pressure on our managers to play him.
I think ETH will live or die on how he negotiates this conundrum.
yep, likewise...would never have believed I'd have to worry about his attitude and work rate when first seeing him..
as I've said before on here...he still comes across as very grounded, humble etc in interviews ...but it's either an act, or he doesn't love football (some don't) or he genuinely thinks he's the English Mbape - in which case he needs a reality check..
I'll never knock his lack of goals or assists in the short term...but the bare minimum both is and needs to be work rate these days...few players love that aspect ( a few weirdos) but it has to be the minimum to play...and the Gala' performance (only undone by GK errors) and Chelsea last night are such proof of how much difference it makes...
I notice Scotty made a point of referencing 'light training' ahead of the game...ETH when asked about that said that's always the case when game loads are heavy...truth maybe somewhere in between....maybe Eric is learning a bit along the way as well...wouldn't be unreasonable..
as I've said before on here...he still comes across as very grounded, humble etc in interviews ...but it's either an act, or he doesn't love football (some don't) or he genuinely thinks he's the English Mbape - in which case he needs a reality check..
I'll never knock his lack of goals or assists in the short term...but the bare minimum both is and needs to be work rate these days...few players love that aspect ( a few weirdos) but it has to be the minimum to play...and the Gala' performance (only undone by GK errors) and Chelsea last night are such proof of how much difference it makes...
I notice Scotty made a point of referencing 'light training' ahead of the game...ETH when asked about that said that's always the case when game loads are heavy...truth maybe somewhere in between....maybe Eric is learning a bit along the way as well...wouldn't be unreasonable..
The heavy training is done before these
periods of 3 games a week as prep, then
you simply can't.
Ovett and Coe pushed training as athletes and
had spells of a month or so at peak when training
was light and world records were chased.
They were running 800m/1500m 2 or 3 times
a week, without getting kicked (usually)
The work rate required now in prem league is
phenomenal, you need to be mo farah, and he
was another one who worked to peaks, not 40odd
peaks a year.
periods of 3 games a week as prep, then
you simply can't.
Ovett and Coe pushed training as athletes and
had spells of a month or so at peak when training
was light and world records were chased.
They were running 800m/1500m 2 or 3 times
a week, without getting kicked (usually)
The work rate required now in prem league is
phenomenal, you need to be mo farah, and he
was another one who worked to peaks, not 40odd
peaks a year.
Rashford looked happiest at sjp when he shook
hands with Lascelles before game.
He got off pitch quickly enough too when subbed.
Doesn't look a happy bunny, hope he's OK, but clearly
not enjoying his football like he did last season.
hands with Lascelles before game.
He got off pitch quickly enough too when subbed.
Doesn't look a happy bunny, hope he's OK, but clearly
not enjoying his football like he did last season.
that's the thing though yh' - he didn't actually look 'happy' when it was going very well in general last season and for all his end product last year..his effort levels were still off, body language was poor...obviously when you produce there's a lot less scrutiny...but he hasn't looked a happy bunny for years...
Yeah, I didn't see him as much as you.
Tend to see his highlites which obviously were great.
Maybe he needs to look at prem league and think this
isn't me.... Perhaps Germany, France, or Spain, or Italy may suit his game
better, and that's not trying to be cruel or nasty
He's still just mid 20s so could still pick it up,
but if he doesn't want a helter skelter game then
he's in wrong league.
Might even look at usa...
Tend to see his highlites which obviously were great.
Maybe he needs to look at prem league and think this
isn't me.... Perhaps Germany, France, or Spain, or Italy may suit his game
better, and that's not trying to be cruel or nasty
He's still just mid 20s so could still pick it up,
but if he doesn't want a helter skelter game then
he's in wrong league.
Might even look at usa...
could see PSG suiting him...but his value must have taken a hit after this start and do any top sides still want him even on current output ? ...depends if sensible prices can get done..wages a bit of a prob now as well after getting his big contract renewal...
would love to see him turn it round @ OT but can't really see it beyond brief moments...was set up perfectly for a big year and whiffed..
would love to see him turn it round @ OT but can't really see it beyond brief moments...was set up perfectly for a big year and whiffed..
brentford 07 Dec 23 21:44
you're old enough not to just expect success to fall in your lap...[i]few too many on this thread been spoilt in the Fergie years..
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oops, there we are again
I wouldn't confuse criticism of the team when it's been warranted, as it has been lately with spoiled fans voicing a sense of entitlement.
I wanted to insert an emoji for the first part of the sentence about being old enough but they haven't got an emoji that represents patronising
you're old enough not to just expect success to fall in your lap...[i]few too many on this thread been spoilt in the Fergie years..
[/i]
oops, there we are again
I wouldn't confuse criticism of the team when it's been warranted, as it has been lately with spoiled fans voicing a sense of entitlement.
I wanted to insert an emoji for the first part of the sentence about being old enough but they haven't got an emoji that represents patronising
it's not intended to be but yourself and Norbert have been after Ten Hag since the start of the season which feels unreasonable to me and after Saturday Rob suggesting he's along with Ralf the worst manager the club has ever had...and yet here we are 3 points of City and 3 points off a CL place....
just been voted Manager of the Month incidentally...not that I'd claim that counts for a lot but gives some perspective to their PL form at least...
It is the third time Ten Hag has won the award, adding to his prizes from September 2022 and February 2023. Only Sir Alex Ferguson, with 27, has won it more times as Man Utd manager.
The Dutchman is one of 32 managers in Premier League history to win as many as three Barclays Manager of the Month awards.
The Dutchman is one of 32 managers in Premier League history to win as many as three Barclays Manager of the Month awards.
I would love to be wrong about him brentford, but his transfers in and suggested ones out leave an awful lot to be desired. And the fixture list in November was very kind to us.
Onana continues to shine statistically, despite the errors.
André Onana's rank among goalkeepers in the Premier League this season (min. 2 starts):
1st - Clean sheets (5)
1st - Save percentage from shots outside box (100%)
2nd - Save percentage (75.7%)
4th - Goals prevented (3.8)
André Onana's rank among goalkeepers in the Premier League this season (min. 2 starts):
1st - Clean sheets (5)
1st - Save percentage from shots outside box (100%)
2nd - Save percentage (75.7%)
4th - Goals prevented (3.8)
playing out from the back nearly 100 per cent .. with confidence ? the future is only way to go ..players have no hiding place ,and in mix all the game .. no hiding place no slacking .. De Gea ... Inability to play out from his box , caused the downfall for the lad . No fault We know it happens .. Great stopper ,, no qualms about that ...... Team work required to do a different job on the hallowed turf ,, thats where wee as UNITED need to address sooner than later .. TEAM READING OFF THE SAME HYMN SHEET .. as a UNIT .. 26 players to fix out .. not just them on the park .. All in ..... .. OR All OUT . Take TIME .. hey we have done 10 plus years already . No Longer keep on about past managers we have had them all ,,,I have lost count .. ? Rooney A Top asset ,, Finding Dugout a Special place .. to be on your own ..Best Wishes with THAT . ..VERY TOUGH GOING ?? .. very hard game if not going too well ... .......
A good attacking performance against Chelsea but lots of gaps in midfield, particularly in the 1st half. Similar to the Galatasaray away game, made for good viewing but you feel it isn't sustainable or will give any consistency.
McTominay with a couple of goals and could have had more. Unfortunately he is now in the Bruno category of 'can only show his strengths in a specific position which then weakens the rest of the team'.
McTominay with a couple of goals and could have had more. Unfortunately he is now in the Bruno category of 'can only show his strengths in a specific position which then weakens the rest of the team'.
Rashford on the bench. Should be in the stands for me.
Antony starts. Why not Pellistri?
Antony starts. Why not Pellistri?
effort was ok 1st half ...everything else pretty awful sadly...bad turnover from Bruno for the early B'mouth goal and Maguire a bit slow to the danger as well..
jeez...3 dreadful goals from a defensive point of view...unmarked on the edge of the 6 yd box...
Martial shouldn't even be at the club he should have been sold by OGS.
He has been stealing a living.
He has been stealing a living.
just a total lack of quality today...wouldn't really fault effort...all 3 goals of own making and barely troubled the B'mouth keeper..
I wonder which of his Rolls-Royces Marcus Rashford will drive home in tonight?
I would sack EtH tonight and get in Kieran McKenna.
Good news for Utd is that Bruno got a cheap yellow to miss next week's game so we won't get a repeat of his performance against Liverpool last time around.
I'd leave him out anyway pop, put Mannoo in with McTom as the further forward of the 3. Seasons as good as over now. Champ leagues out of our hands, top 4's a pipe dream. Leave out fernandes Rashford and Martial. Use the rest of season to try to get some standards back for next year.
On the Bruno point, will be interesting to see if we will field 3 'proper' central midfielders in his absence. It's something many have been calling for all season to strengthen that area but not possible when he plays pretty much every game.
I agree with Redrob to a certain extent. The current top 6 taking points off each other and a relatively kind fixture list has given false hope in terms of being close to top 4, 3pts off City etc etc when in reality we are still way off from challenging for one if the 2 main trophies. No point scraping by in games and through the season which is what's happening at the moment.
I agree with Redrob to a certain extent. The current top 6 taking points off each other and a relatively kind fixture list has given false hope in terms of being close to top 4, 3pts off City etc etc when in reality we are still way off from challenging for one if the 2 main trophies. No point scraping by in games and through the season which is what's happening at the moment.
Bayern on Tuesday and then Liverpool the following Sunday.Time for reflection .I wonder if big Sam is available the week after next.
Dec 9, 2023 -- 12:31PM, Loanwolf wrote:
Bayern on Tuesday and then Liverpool the following Sunday.Time for
Man Utd is run on the basis of false economy. The owners are under the delusion someone will pay money for Martial when the reality is they need to pay him up and move him out.
Luke Shaw is another who should be binned. Because he is English he gets away with it. He is a total disgrace as a pro. Overweight, constant injury issues and when he does play is limited in the extreme. Defensively dodgy as seen today and brings little output attacking wise.
Utd are now worse than at the end of OGS reign. That is a fact. The signings ETH have bee dire. Antony is a busted flush. Martinez is massively over rated and is showing frequent injury issues. Hojlund looks awful and is not scoring but I would give him a chance as I suspect he is massively hindered by the attitude of team mates.
Luke Shaw is another who should be binned. Because he is English he gets away with it. He is a total disgrace as a pro. Overweight, constant injury issues and when he does play is limited in the extreme. Defensively dodgy as seen today and brings little output attacking wise.
Utd are now worse than at the end of OGS reign. That is a fact. The signings ETH have bee dire. Antony is a busted flush. Martinez is massively over rated and is showing frequent injury issues. Hojlund looks awful and is not scoring but I would give him a chance as I suspect he is massively hindered by the attitude of team mates.
At least Big Sam knows how to organise a defence.
United will set up deep and narrow. Play to avoid another humiliation.
Utd are 6th,3 points of 4th which is city.
We have no keeper,a complete liability.no defensive midfield teams run through us.
Won manager of the month November ten Haag.
Player of the month maguire
Goal of the month gnacho.
500 million worth of star strikers don’t play or speak to the manger,
Rashford
Martial
Sancho
Greenwood.
Doing ok with the D team,when the C,B,and A team start to play,they can only improve.
Leading goal scorers away in champions league,yet bottom of group.
Ten Haag is useless,discipline his is mantra,yet no discipline on the field.
It looks an easy fix,we can’t get any worse,loads of potential when things click.
I can see them sneaking through in champs league,go on a winning run,hoover up the f.a cup.and land the treble.
Then we can build on this to become a decent side.
Harry maguire player of the month,shame Betfair biggest odds are 1000/1 has no one saw that coming.
We have no keeper,a complete liability.no defensive midfield teams run through us.
Won manager of the month November ten Haag.
Player of the month maguire
Goal of the month gnacho.
500 million worth of star strikers don’t play or speak to the manger,
Rashford
Martial
Sancho
Greenwood.
Doing ok with the D team,when the C,B,and A team start to play,they can only improve.
Leading goal scorers away in champions league,yet bottom of group.
Ten Haag is useless,discipline his is mantra,yet no discipline on the field.
It looks an easy fix,we can’t get any worse,loads of potential when things click.
I can see them sneaking through in champs league,go on a winning run,hoover up the f.a cup.and land the treble.
Then we can build on this to become a decent side.
Harry maguire player of the month,shame Betfair biggest odds are 1000/1 has no one saw that coming.
Bayern must surely be free money on Tuesday
Ditto Liverpool next Sunday
Ditto Liverpool next Sunday
Bayern themselves lost 5-1 yesterday, and have nothing to play for
SirNorbertClarke 09 Dec 23 17:14
I would sack EtH tonight and get in Kieran McKenna.
This would be a disaster IMO, for starters he's already been there and whatever input he had back then didn't really work and it would be another case of throwing someone completely in the deep end because he's having success at a much lower level you can't do that when they would be being asked to come in and sort out an unholy mess, he'd be completely out of his depth.
Whoever comes in next time needs to be first and foremost someone that the dressing room looks at with respect and awe,someone with gravitas who could look at the players and say, "who the fook are you".
I would sack EtH tonight and get in Kieran McKenna.
This would be a disaster IMO, for starters he's already been there and whatever input he had back then didn't really work and it would be another case of throwing someone completely in the deep end because he's having success at a much lower level you can't do that when they would be being asked to come in and sort out an unholy mess, he'd be completely out of his depth.
Whoever comes in next time needs to be first and foremost someone that the dressing room looks at with respect and awe,someone with gravitas who could look at the players and say, "who the fook are you".
TameTheTiger 10 Dec 23 13:00
Bayern themselves lost 5-1 yesterday, and have nothing to play for
I refer you back to 1999, any time they get a chance to beat us down for that night they will be up for.
Bayern themselves lost 5-1 yesterday, and have nothing to play for
I refer you back to 1999, any time they get a chance to beat us down for that night they will be up for.
duffy whoever comes in needs to gut the squad. It's little short of a disaster.
I don't intend to comment on United again until the club owners show some balls. I am sick of watching players steal a living.
I don't intend to comment on United again until the club owners show some balls. I am sick of watching players steal a living.
might have a long wait Norbert...no money available in January and maybe no European money for the summer which would max spending at around 120-150m...that's 2 notable players max these days not to mention the attraction of the club for players continues to diminish..
would be handy if the Saudis would take Varane for 20m and maybe Casemiro as well for say 25-30m..
would be handy if the Saudis would take Varane for 20m and maybe Casemiro as well for say 25-30m..
There's a top top player they could have for nothing, 2 footed, can play on either side.
Goes by the name of Senor greenwood.
Goes by the name of Senor greenwood.
would be handy if the Saudis would take Varane for 20m and maybe Casemiro as well for say 25-30m..
Are they any good at golf?
Are they any good at golf?
Even a Pep could come in as united boss and within a year these players would stare him down imo.
Because of the insane wages we pay the players hold the power.
Pay a good player 140k a week and he bursts a gut to get to the next level.
If his level or attitude is not good enough and he's benched he'll want to move as he knows he can get similar wages elsewhere and play again.
Pay the same player 350k a week and he has no incentive to flog himself as he knows this is the pinnacle of his earning.
Bench him and he won't care as he knows he couldn't get those wages elsewhere so he's willing to sacrifice his career in the short term knowing most likely the manager will be gone and he gets redemption again and again.
As he reaches his last year the club offer him insane wages again so as not to lose an asset and on we go again.
Jones, martial, Dalot, Rashford, mctominay, Shaw , de gea all renewed on wages well above their ability so impossible to shift.
Sancho, McGuire, Varane, Casemiro, mount, Anthony Sanchez,Lukaku all signed on massive wages well above what they would have got elsewhere.
Everything Ralf Ragnick said was true about who we signed and what we payed was the completely wrong profile and strategy to succeed.
A complete cull is needed but can not happen because of the complete mess we have made of the player profiles and FFP.
Some of them are good players when they're bothered so for the foreseeable I'm afraid it's going to be up and down , hit and miss depending on how they feel.
Look at Shaw yesterday, looked as if he really couldn't be arsed yet had just put in 3 very good games previously.
Because of the insane wages we pay the players hold the power.
Pay a good player 140k a week and he bursts a gut to get to the next level.
If his level or attitude is not good enough and he's benched he'll want to move as he knows he can get similar wages elsewhere and play again.
Pay the same player 350k a week and he has no incentive to flog himself as he knows this is the pinnacle of his earning.
Bench him and he won't care as he knows he couldn't get those wages elsewhere so he's willing to sacrifice his career in the short term knowing most likely the manager will be gone and he gets redemption again and again.
As he reaches his last year the club offer him insane wages again so as not to lose an asset and on we go again.
Jones, martial, Dalot, Rashford, mctominay, Shaw , de gea all renewed on wages well above their ability so impossible to shift.
Sancho, McGuire, Varane, Casemiro, mount, Anthony Sanchez,Lukaku all signed on massive wages well above what they would have got elsewhere.
Everything Ralf Ragnick said was true about who we signed and what we payed was the completely wrong profile and strategy to succeed.
A complete cull is needed but can not happen because of the complete mess we have made of the player profiles and FFP.
Some of them are good players when they're bothered so for the foreseeable I'm afraid it's going to be up and down , hit and miss depending on how they feel.
Look at Shaw yesterday, looked as if he really couldn't be arsed yet had just put in 3 very good games previously.
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