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What’s happened lads? Seems to have vanished?

Is it one of their random forum spring cleans?
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Report The Dragon September 14, 2021 4:12 PM BST
hey Slippy

Have to once agisn agree with your analysis.

Amazing result for Palace but will be brought back to earth with a bump .... I hope
Report vidou September 14, 2021 6:21 PM BST
Here ya go HGS...




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Why Liverpool’s lack of signings is no cause for concern
A small minority have expressed anger at FSG’s reluctance to spend this summer - but the successful American ownership have always said they would be fiscally cautious

Tony Evans
2 days ago
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Ibrahima Konate was Liverpool’s only major signing this summer
Ibrahima Konate was Liverpool’s only major signing this summer

(Liverpool FC via Getty Images)

For some fans, the most exciting part of the season is over. The transfer window is shut and there can be no more delusional fantasies about big money signings for a while. This is where reality bites.

Most Liverpool supporters are, like Jurgen Klopp, relatively happy with the state of the squad going into the next phase of the campaign, which starts at Elland Road against Leeds United on Sunday. Nevertheless, there have been rumblings of dissatisfaction about the club’s spending in the summer. The only significant signing was Ibrahima Konate, who cost £36 million from RB Leipzig. The 22-year-old centre half bolsters the ranks at last season’s problem position but some expected Georginio Wijnaldum, who departed for Paris Saint-Germain on a free transfer, to be replaced.

Fenway Sports Group (FSG) have been criticised by a small but vocal group on social media who are angry at the Americans’ reluctance to spend money on a midfielder and a forward. Barely a year after the owners oversaw Liverpool’s first title in 30 years and two years after winning the Champions League, there have been attempts to galvanise an ‘FSG out’ movement. It takes the ‘what-have-you-done-for-me-lately’ ethos to a new level.

There seems to be little rational discourse about Liverpool’s owners. They are either wildly overpraised or their weaknesses magnified. The truth is in the middle. The same men that brought the Premier League trophy to Anfield also tried to bring the latest, risible version of the Super League to the table. FSG’s mistakes – and there have been many – are counterbalanced by considerable success, especially in the past five years.

Right from the moment they took control of the club 11 years ago, FSG said they would be fiscally cautious. The same concern that John W Henry, the principal owner, expressed in his first weeks on Merseyside remains at the forefront of his mind and, if anything, the issue had grown more pressing. The spending power of the Petrostate-owned clubs is a nightmare for Henry and his solutions – Project Big Picture and the Super League – were those of a man clutching at straws. Financial fair play has failed and the impact of the pandemic has made the situation even more difficult.

Yet the question for those who would like to see FSG replaced is simple: with whom? The market for marquee clubs is even smaller than the market for superstar players. There were no buyers out there before coronavirus began to spread and there are none now. Liverpool’s valuation is in excess of £2.5bn, almost ten times what the Americans paid for the club. There is no prospect of anyone investing that amount in Anfield and splurging another pile of cash on transfers. None.

In his first half-decade in charge, Henry spoke vaguely about his legacy. At one point he even suggested that some kind of fan ownership might be possible for Liverpool. In retrospect, he was probably telling his audience what they wanted to hear. By 2015 he was talking about listening to offers. This was far from a hard sell. He made it clear to potential suitors that FSG did not need to offload the business and any deal would have to really suit the owners. Some of the individuals and groups that sniffed around the club were unpalatable. Their ethical, political and commercial principles were way further from the Kop’s than FSG’s. And none had the sort of money the transfer ultras would demand.

For all their faults FSG have underpromised and overdelivered. They made it clear that they would not get into an unwinnable financial arms race with City or Chelsea. Sales paid for incoming players and they have generally been conservative when it came to spending on recruitment. Even so, had the right players become available this summer at the right price they probably would have released funds. It is ludicrous to say the owners are not ambitious but they temper that ambition with caution. That is a gamble in itself.





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Do Liverpool lack depth in the squad? A little in midfield and up front but it is more about quality than bodies. Should they have spent more after winning the Champions League and the title? Perhaps. Traditional Anfield logic says buy from a position of strength but FSG have been anything but conventional. Klopp’s first choice XI is beginning to age but both manager and owners believe they are a fair distance from a full rebuild.

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The only way some fans will be satisfied is if they see mega spending on an annual basis. That is no guarantee of success. The landscape is changing and City and PSG will undoubtedly win the Champions League in the next few years but so far Abu Dhabi and Qatar have been unable to buy the trophy they want most.


FSG have been capable owners who have struggled to comprehend the football culture at Anfield and beyond. Most of their mistakes have been a result of this lack of knowledge or thinking that they are cleverer than their rivals. Things could be far worse, as those who lived through the Gillett and Hicks era can attest.

The ‘FSG out’ contingent are spoilt brats. As flawed as Liverpool’s owners have been, the transfer fantasists do not know how lucky they are.
Report HallGreenSpy September 14, 2021 7:33 PM BST
Thanks vidou.
Report rommel September 15, 2021 7:41 AM BST
hgs missd ya(i'll rem' for next time,to C & P)
Report rommel September 15, 2021 11:49 AM BST
tr n catch jon' liew in the guardian,not good reading for utd fans
Report HallGreenSpy September 15, 2021 11:56 AM BST
There ain't gonna be much good reading about anywhere for em today. They should still be ok in that group. Don't think we will have many chances to slip up in ours. Hoping for a flying start with another magical European night under the lights at Anfield.
Report HallGreenSpy September 15, 2021 8:57 PM BST
You could think how on earth 1-2 at half-time after being so dominant? Poor penalty and plenty of wasted chances explains it all. 45 second half minutes to remedy. Come on red men.
Report The Dragon September 15, 2021 9:06 PM BST
2-2
Report The Dragon September 15, 2021 9:06 PM BST
moLove
Report The Dragon September 15, 2021 9:07 PM BST
what wd we do without him
Report HallGreenSpy September 15, 2021 9:08 PM BST
Have a different pen taker Laugh
Report HallGreenSpy September 15, 2021 9:09 PM BST
Joking aside, he never stops. Great player.
Report The Dragon September 15, 2021 9:13 PM BST
yup
Report HallGreenSpy September 15, 2021 9:26 PM BST
What a hit. Take a bow Jordan.
Report The Dragon September 15, 2021 9:26 PM BST
boooommmmm 3-2
Report Latalomne September 15, 2021 9:29 PM BST
For all bar about 7 minutes, we've been excellent.
Report rommel September 15, 2021 9:55 PM BST
much as we may not like it,its good to be tested
Report HallGreenSpy September 15, 2021 10:00 PM BST
A cracking match. Thought Fabinho excellent in the middle. Atletico Porto just finished 0-0 which is an added bonus with Porto man Mbemba I think sent off in injury time so will miss game against us. Very good night all in all.
Report SlippyBlue September 18, 2021 11:59 AM BST
Morning T.D. Quite a drift on Liverpool overnight mate, 1.16 out tob
Report SlippyBlue September 18, 2021 12:00 PM BST
...1.16 out to 1.28 Shocked
Report The Dragon September 18, 2021 12:02 PM BST
not sure why slippy im expecting a tight first half with liverpool coming good in 2nf hald. Park the bus job by palace? We shall see
Report SlippyBlue September 18, 2021 12:12 PM BST
I didn't take the 16.5 earlier in the week, had to have 14.5 instead.
Probably dosh I'll never see again but maybe we can score first and then trade. Should be a good game whatever, I'm off out for the day now so no more bets other than Palace.

Good luck with your punts T.D. Happy
Report The Dragon September 18, 2021 12:21 PM BST
cheers Slippy forgive me if i dont wish you well with yoursWink
Report Latalomne September 18, 2021 2:10 PM BST
1Alisson
7Milner
5Konaté
4van Dijk
21Tsimikas
14Henderson
3Fabinho
6Thiago Alcántara
11Salah
20Jota
10Mané
Substitutes
8Keïta
12Gomez
15Oxlade-Chamberlain
17Jones
18Minamino
26Robertson
27Origi
47Phillips
62Kelleher

That will explain the drift!
Report deliris September 18, 2021 2:57 PM BST
im on 5/4 palace to get 20+ bookings . skybet !
Report The Dragon September 18, 2021 3:05 PM BST
mmmmm hope this doesnt go its upShocked
Report rommel September 18, 2021 3:38 PM BST
if we dont win this marching up to the cop shop say ive just witnessed a crime
Report The Dragon September 18, 2021 3:43 PM BST
cmon you reds goal
Report The Dragon September 18, 2021 3:43 PM BST
mane
Report rommel September 18, 2021 3:46 PM BST
monnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn u redsssssssssssssssss
Report rommel September 18, 2021 4:19 PM BST
saintsssssssssssssssssssssssss
Report SontaranStratagem September 18, 2021 4:40 PM BST
Playing well again now the fans are back Cool

I think you lot suffered from that more than any other club

Barnsley benefitted from not having them there for example
Report SontaranStratagem September 18, 2021 4:43 PM BST
Also Klopps well and truly turned around a bad patch which is the first time in his career

He'll be better for it now as well
Report The Dragon September 18, 2021 5:05 PM BST
citeh drop points massive bonus

chelsea and utd tough away games so could be a great weekend for the mighty reds
Report The Dragon September 18, 2021 5:06 PM BST
unlucky slippy  best team won.

the challenge goes on
Report SlippyBlue September 19, 2021 11:27 AM BST
Yes indeed, no complaints whatsoever T.D.

We did have a few chances but ultimately Liverpool were too good and played very well I thought. In that mood at home they would be a tough but to crack for any side most definitely.
Report HallGreenSpy September 19, 2021 12:25 PM BST
Very pleasing. I give Keita a hard time now and then but credit where it's due. That was a sweet volley.
Report rommel September 21, 2021 4:48 PM BST
Kaide Gordon is in contention to make his Liverpool debut on Tuesday, with the assistant manager Pepijn Lijnders describing the 16-year-old as one of “many diamonds” on the pathway to the first team.
Report HallGreenSpy September 21, 2021 7:21 PM BST
Confirmed rom

Kelleher
Bradley
Gomez
Konaté
Tsimikas
Oxlade-Chamberlain
Jones
Keïta
Minamino
Origi
Gordon

Substitutes
Adrián
Henderson
Jota
Robertson
Phillips
Morton
Balagizi
Report SlippyBlue September 21, 2021 7:30 PM BST
Norwich 4.5 from 7.0  Shocked
I'm thinking now Liverpool are a backable price @ 1.9.
Report SlippyBlue September 21, 2021 7:54 PM BST
I've taken the trade, can't be bothered watching anymore!
Report HallGreenSpy September 21, 2021 9:35 PM BST
Thought the young lads did really well tonight. Rash pen challenge aside, almost faultless. Good pen save from Kelleher but thought his positioning was spot on all night. Tsimikas has some cross on him as we already know and nice for Divock and Minamino to get goals. Once again, a very pleasing night.
Report Capt__F September 21, 2021 10:16 PM BST
Happy DaysCool
Report rothko September 23, 2021 10:19 AM BST
great to see the kids coming through
thought Morton looked top drawer when he came on and ran the game
Report rothko September 25, 2021 7:31 PM BST
should have finished that off
great game though lomg way to go

well done brentford
Report crystalhunt September 25, 2021 8:07 PM BST
Total respect to Brentford - pure commitment - no diving - no cheating - hope they do well Cool
Report rommel September 25, 2021 8:35 PM BST
fine perf' by brents
Report sparrow September 26, 2021 8:49 AM BST
A great advert for the game with some proper direct football so well done to both teams.
Report PLACEWISE September 26, 2021 9:10 AM BST
We looked shambolic at the back and again wasteful up the top end thought the substitution wasn’t great we didn’t need another forward on at that time

Brentford are ok a little overrated IMO doubt city would struggle to cope with them but as said long way ahead but we really do need to take more chances
Report HallGreenSpy September 26, 2021 10:36 AM BST
Good game for the neutral. Defending a little woeful at times. Good chances missed to put the game away. Will need to be better next week home to Citeh. Still it's a point more than some got yesterday. Devil
Report The Dragon September 26, 2021 12:04 PM BST
should have won that game no question, their goalie had a stormer. miiseed too many chances again and some sloppy defending. good game to watch for the neutrals, brentford look a fair team and could cause some of the better teams a few problems
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 26, 2021 12:27 PM BST
I like Brentford a lot. Don't have the most talented players in the world but they work hard on their system, their tactics and set pieces. Sounds easy in hindsight but you know you're never gonna beat VVD in the air, so just load your target men to the back post where he's not present and take your chances against the less physical full backs. Worked a treat to be fair, though we should have been alive to it and had a midfielder doubling up at the back post when they were in crossing positions. Should have won by 2 or 3 clear goals really though. Couple of sitters missed but that's football. Still sitting pretty right now.
Report rommel September 26, 2021 1:44 PM BST
vvd will be nowhere near peak fitness and strength,things will get better at the back
Report SlippyBlue September 26, 2021 1:48 PM BST
Nothing but admiration for Brentford, as a neutral I hope they have a very good season
Report rommel September 26, 2021 1:50 PM BST
brents were v good,in a fine gane
Report rommel September 26, 2021 1:50 PM BST
game*
Report vidou September 28, 2021 12:35 PM BST
Roger Hunt RIP - YNWA
Report HallGreenSpy September 28, 2021 4:55 PM BST
Before my time but legendary! RIP
Report Capt__F September 28, 2021 7:02 PM BST
RIPSad
Report Capt__F September 28, 2021 8:50 PM BST
Curtis Jones Class
Cool
Report loui September 28, 2021 9:37 PM BST
Rip to a reds legend 285 goals, and a world Cup winner. Hardly ever injured, old school hard guy
Report Latalomne September 28, 2021 9:37 PM BST
Karius would be proud of this.
Report rommel September 28, 2021 9:47 PM BST
ya cant beat a good ole fashioned romp
Report rommel September 28, 2021 9:50 PM BST
lou you surprise me,roger was just before my time but i never had him down as a hard guy,more a v smooth striker(not saying you're wrong,just my impression down the years)
Report crystalhunt September 28, 2021 9:57 PM BST
Don't think he means hard as in Norman Hunter type - but he was strong. 61/62 season he played 41 of 42 games and score 41 goals- we won the league by eight points when it was 2pts for a win. Absolute legend and a very nice humble bloke. The lads didn't let him down tonight.
Report rommel September 28, 2021 10:00 PM BST
crys,lou said old school hard guy....anyway nae matter,great servant for us no doubt
Report loui September 28, 2021 10:11 PM BST
Paisley said years ago that he was hardly ever injured, and as tough as old boots to coin an old cliche
Report loui September 28, 2021 10:12 PM BST
Will give him a good send off Sunday
Report rommel September 28, 2021 10:35 PM BST
lou yer awfullllllllllllllllllllll
Report rommel September 28, 2021 10:39 PM BST
Laugh
Report HallGreenSpy September 29, 2021 8:23 AM BST
Great result last night with an obvious outstanding performance by Curtis, however thought Fabinho immense again. You would think it hard to fault a 5-1 away win in Porto but I found the final ball at times last night frustrating and was pretty relieved the second went in before half time. As said Roger Hunt will get a great send off on Sunday home to citeh and happy to say I will be there.
Report rommel September 29, 2021 8:46 AM BST
not landing 'arry is looking more and more a clanger of immense proportions for pep
Report HallGreenSpy September 29, 2021 8:51 AM BST
Yep
Report loui September 29, 2021 1:30 PM BST
Don't have to be a defender to be hard guy rom, plenty of strikers out there who can look after themselves.
Report rommel September 29, 2021 1:58 PM BST
course there are lou
Report HallGreenSpy October 4, 2021 11:46 AM BST
Some second half that. Thought we were pretty poor first half. 2 very good goals. Mo's being a worldie. Always a bit gutting not to win after leading, especially twice but a fair result imo. Milner very lucky to stay on. And just when we thought Fabinho gonna tap in the winner. Football eh. Bl00dyhell!
Report rommel October 4, 2021 11:54 AM BST
hgs bang on,city 2nd bit lucky,fab just chip it,fck i never miss sitting here
Report rommel October 7, 2021 7:24 PM BST
was just looking to shed 400 ffff sovs sitting here in my umwarm hovel
Report rommel October 7, 2021 7:25 PM BST
and we all know robbie is short of a sheckel
Report rommel October 8, 2021 7:42 AM BST
more talk,on otb am this morning about gerrard winding up at Liverpool,where does this guff come from?he was a fine player for us well BIGGGGGGGGG FFFFF DEAL
Report PLACEWISE October 8, 2021 1:15 PM BST
Would imagine Gerard will be very tempted by a Newcastle offer
Report rommel October 8, 2021 1:47 PM BST
mu sticking with olly and the plan,maybe lvg left his plan in a drawer n Ollys just found it,if so they are to be feared,think on
Report crystalhunt October 9, 2021 1:19 PM BST
Hey Rom - just noticed my original post about the Robbie Fowler podcast has been removed. Cool
Report rommel October 9, 2021 2:15 PM BST

Oct 7, 2021 -- 5:50PM, crystalhunt wrote:


https://therobbiefowlerpodcast.com/tcs/It's a gravy train


crys,this is still there

Report crystalhunt October 9, 2021 3:02 PM BST
Ye saw that - the other one had prices on - they must think I was drumming up businessCool
Report rommel October 9, 2021 3:25 PM BST
haha,yeah robbies hurting for money alrreeet-as if,so is it a scam site or what,cant bring myssen to look(really went off RF when he was giving graeme le saux stick,wont describe what he did but it was fff disgusting)
Report crystalhunt October 9, 2021 4:19 PM BST
He gave a new meaning to goal line sniffingLaugh
Report rommel October 9, 2021 4:57 PM BST
gawd yeah another of robbies finest hours
Report rommel October 9, 2021 5:06 PM BST
fowler,knuckle ruddock story;players used to joke and it got a bit out of hand,NR cut up a new pair of shoes of RF (paid hundreds)...news gets around...NR was going into a club,the bouncers got hold of him-pulled him aside,threatened him
Report rommel October 9, 2021 5:07 PM BST
i hated ruddock,how low had we sunk with him there
Report crystalhunt October 9, 2021 10:06 PM BST
Rom - when I think of my hero Roger Hunt and his modesty and dignity. The hangers on stink.
Report rommel October 10, 2021 7:28 AM BST
crys,yes Roger had an aura of integrity and as i say he was before my time,but you do get a sense of what a players about even after youve missed him in the flesh
Report rommel October 14, 2021 12:47 AM BST
orrible early one sat'
Report vidou October 14, 2021 8:19 AM BST
International breaks are a total pain in the ar$e and now we've got Brazil playing 1.30 a.m. - wtf is that about? Fkin FIFA gob$h!tes
Report rommel October 14, 2021 8:36 AM BST
yup vid,int breaks are like a black cloud fkn looming and as is the way of it most of our squad are hauling their sorry a***** all around the globe
Report HallGreenSpy October 14, 2021 9:52 AM BST
orrible indeed. New manager syndrome to tackle aswell.
Report rothko October 14, 2021 10:22 AM BST
when you've got a situation where a manager cant pick players because of the timing of international games then it brings into question the whole integrity of the league. Why should Watford benefit from and the other clubs fighting relegation dont

Im sure someone will mention about big squads but thats bollx
Report vidou October 16, 2021 11:52 PM BST
Jesus lads can't believe we've not had a single comment on here after a 5-0 away win.
Do we need another thread or is there only 3 or 4 of us on here now?
We were irrestible today and Mo scored another worldie and no one has a comment - hope we don't fcuk up his new contract negotiations.
Report Capt__F October 17, 2021 12:01 AM BST
Superb performance

Trent sublime

Mo GeniusCool
Report vidou October 17, 2021 12:25 AM BST
Matip up there with Millie as best free transfer of all time
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