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By:
crystalhunt
When: 10 Apr 18 21:46
I'll vote for thatLaugh
By:
equine flew
When: 10 Apr 18 21:49
They should keep it exactly the same but with some small changes
By:
mesmerised
When: 10 Apr 18 21:49
How different would European Football history be if there had never been an away goal rule. So many teams have gone through having drawn a tie over two legs rather than having won it.

Should be extra time and pens.
By:
charwell.
When: 10 Apr 18 21:50
Away goal is there for a reason and it works.

Seems like Barca backers done their coconuts and look to change things..............
By:
lurka
When: 10 Apr 18 21:50
how boring would it be without the away goals rule. Park the bus away from home
By:
spyker
When: 10 Apr 18 21:54
I'd say as many games are killed by the rule (or nearly as many) tonight being a case in point, Team on top, no away goal and game over as soon as away goal scored. Best team over 2 legs (even with disallowed goal) won but the game was over as soon as Liverpool scored.
By:
mesmerised
When: 10 Apr 18 21:55
Players at this level are paid millions to kick a ball and they're not even expected to overcome a defensive team?

Fairness is more important, teams going through when they've drawn the tie is a cop out.
By:
charwell.
When: 10 Apr 18 21:56
muggerised I don't think those who have never won it have a valid opinion.
By:
charwell.
When: 10 Apr 18 21:57
who have ever even!!
By:
mesmerised
When: 10 Apr 18 21:57
Charlene you tart, you know full well you won 4 European cups when it was a micky mouse version of the real thing today you mug.
By:
1st time poster
When: 10 Apr 18 22:00
could go to lg cup rules where they only count after extra time,but then they,d argue you get extra 30 mins in 2nd leg to score away,home goal
By:
Aspro
When: 10 Apr 18 22:01
Leave it as it is. It works well in the main
By:
RothmanMike
When: 10 Apr 18 22:03
I actually liked the Golden Goal option.
Play for another couple of hours if necessary until a goal is scored.
Survival of the fittest.
By:
mega88
When: 10 Apr 18 22:07

Apr 10, 2018 -- 9:50PM, charwell. wrote:


Away goal is there for a reason and it works.Seems like Barca backers done their coconuts and look to change things..............


Too true char a lot of Barca backers seething here

By:
Aspro
When: 10 Apr 18 22:08
Geez Mike, are you sure!? We tried the Golden Goal and what an anti-climax it was. Room 101 many moons ago and good riddance
By:
charwell.
When: 10 Apr 18 22:11
Charlene you tart, you know full well you won 4 European cups when it was a micky mouse version of the real thing today you mug.


Ah right. I presume Arsenal won loads during that time then?
By:
mesmerised
When: 10 Apr 18 22:27
Wonder if Arsenal would have won the European Cup in 89 when English teams were banned, or maybe 98, 02, or 04 if there were only 1 team per country rule brought back? History can be skewed in anyone's favour. Madrid especially, first 5 on the bounce in the 50's when football was no better than the standard today of Grimbsy reserves.

Kind Regards.
By:
charwell.
When: 10 Apr 18 22:43
Funnily we won it when we weren't even champions of our league in 05.

Wouldn't have been possible in the 'easier' days............over to you squire.
By:
charwell.
When: 10 Apr 18 22:53
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By:
wolf3011
When: 11 Apr 18 01:15
A goal is a goal and shouldnt matter whether its home or away. Now 0-0 is viewed as being halfway decent in the home teams first leg result as they know they can get a score draw away from home and go through like Seville for eg. It actually makes a mockery of the competition when a teams playing in terror at home incase of the dreaded " away goal"
By:
lurka
When: 11 Apr 18 08:58
Seville weren't the team playing for 0-0 in Seville. None of the home teams played with fear at home that I could see, apart from Chelsea maybe
By:
mesmerised
When: 11 Apr 18 09:07
The competition is obviously easier to get into given they're are more places available, but it's much harder to win it when you're in it given you have to play 13 matches win instead of 9. Against the worlds best players in the worlds best teams as opposed to playing 2 legged tied against Pub champions from Finland / Scotland / Bulgaria round after round. That's why it was changed, 4th placed teams in England, Spain, Germany are more of a challenge than league titles winners where teams are made up of part time milkman and the local vicar.

You haven't won the Champions League 5 times, you've won it once, Champions League and European Cup are two very different competitions. And that's not to do down Liverpool or any other teams history for the sake of it, it's just the way it is.
By:
spyker
When: 11 Apr 18 09:26
So how many times have real madrid and all the teams with a history of winning it pre 1990's  won it then - and how many times have you won it again even though it was so very easy to win for so very long? What was your record - 2 finals (and 2 wins) of the most worthless cup even then and 1 q/f - good god you must have been really crap to have that record when winning in Europe was so very easy!
By:
spyker
When: 11 Apr 18 09:37
TBh - and having just looked at your record in Europe - i didn't realise it was so very crap - while other English teams were winning the (very easy to to win European cup) you were embarrassing the country and generally getting knocked out in the very early rounds of the (even easier to win) uefa cup. Damn those (very) easy to beat European teams in a (very) easy comp to win ruining history for you!
By:
mesmerised
When: 11 Apr 18 09:45
Jesus Christ, this has f*** all to do with ArsenalLaugh

The point that there is no point in Charlene bragging about how many European Cups you've won when pre 92 it was virtually a different competition, you don't lump them both into one. There is a reason why Pre 92 teams were winning the European Cup 2 times in a row, 3 times in a row, and in Madrid's case, 5 times in a row, since the establishment of the Champions League, it took 26 years for 1 team to win it two years running, the AC Miland teams of the 90's, United's treble winning era, the Galatico's of the early 00's and Pep's Barcelona, all failed to win it back to back. If they were teams in the 80's or 70's, they'd have won it twice, three times in a row. Impossible today.
By:
tobermory
When: 11 Apr 18 09:45
You haven't won the Champions League 5 times, you've won it once, Champions League and European Cup are two very different competitions

Football began in 1992.
By:
mesmerised
When: 11 Apr 18 09:45
Old joke tober, my point is above.
By:
crystalhunt
When: 11 Apr 18 10:08
Mesmerised

That's why it was changed, 4th placed teams in England, Spain, Germany are more of a challenge than league titles winners where teams are made up of part time milkman and the local vicar.

It was changed so clubs and UEFA could make more money - no other reason.
By:
Aspro
When: 11 Apr 18 10:13
The Champions League, although a contradiction, is a much better competition; last night being a good example. If it makes more money then even better. The downside is the lack of respect for the Europa league and domestic cups. I'm also a fan of the play-off system, which keeps the season alive in the lower leagues.
By:
Aspro
When: 11 Apr 18 10:17
I also agree with mes on this one, although it isn't virtually a different competition, it is a totally different competition and has no right to be compared with the European Cup (RIP)
By:
REDUNDANT PUNTER
When: 11 Apr 18 11:00
Of course it's different pitches players ability speed and fitness is totally different

But that's same in all sports but it's still about a competition to be crowned champions of Europe

So the format changes but the title remains i mean formulae one has changed out of all recognition

But don't tell me ayrton senna never won the drivers championship

Any team who have won it are champions of Europe if it's rebranded every two years it doesn't make any difference imo
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 11 Apr 18 11:24
1. Away goals rule should be scrapped.
2. Liverpool have been European Champions five times. Makes no difference what the competition is called or whether it used to be 'easier to win.' It used to be a lot harder to qualify as well.
By:
DirkDiggler
When: 11 Apr 18 13:13
Champions of Europe are Champions of Europe whatever the format. Barca backers seething.
By:
mesmerised
When: 11 Apr 18 13:25
I have nothing against Liverpool, but you have to say it the way that it is
I haven't said they were not European Champions 5 times, I said they were European Champions 4 times when it was a piss poor version of today's Champions League.
It may have been harder to qualify for the European Cup as there were only 1 team per country allowed, however this is negated by the fact that a) Liverpool practically had carte blanche on the market for the best players in Britain once they were in, and b) you qualified for the following season's comp if you won the competition. As Nottingham Forest also did, they finished runners up in 1979 but were re-entered into the European Cup as European winners, they won it again in 1980.
Not old enough to have lived through that era, but having looked up the teams Liverpool played during those 4 wins, they even had a first round bye in 78 to win a European Cup having played 7 matches, other knock out ties were won against the likes of Crusaders, OPS (me neither) who they beat 10-1, Bulgarian champions, Zurich, Trabzonspor, Odense ?

The European Cup back then is probably on a par with the Europa League of today, but even less?

Point being, fans of teams that were dominant in Europe pre 92 should be more humble about achieving success in a much inferior era.

If there were 4 teams per country from the main leagues back then, things would look very different.
By:
Aspro
When: 11 Apr 18 13:37
Could Celtic win the Champions League today?

I'm not sure how some can justify teams like Celtic as an equal to the CL winners by any stretch of the imagination. Two completely different tournaments.
By:
DirkDiggler
When: 11 Apr 18 14:13
Could Celtic win the Champions League today?

I'm not sure how some can justify teams like Celtic as an equal to the CL winners by any stretch of the imagination. Two completely different tournaments.



Is football the same as it was in 1967? That's a nonsense argument. They won the EC in 1967, under 1967 conditions, over 50 years ago. They couldn't win it today because football has changed dramatically since then. How many CL winners couldn't have won the EC because they weren't domestic champions the year before?


Do we throw out Ray Reardon's 6 World snooker titles because he wouldn't win it today?
By:
geordie1956
When: 11 Apr 18 14:37
In 1967 Celtic were the best team in Europe...that is a fact
Forget the nonsense of what the competition was called then and now
Often in those days the same 11 or near enough played every game which emphasised how good they were...now its based on wealth and the players bought by a club which determine the relative strength of the squad (is it 25 players)
By:
Aspro
When: 11 Apr 18 14:45
I'm not arguing your points; I'm just saying as you two virtually are too, the competitions are not alike and should be treated as two different tournaments with two different sets of stats. I fail to see how this point can be argued but hey ho, we all see things differently.
By:
DirkDiggler
When: 11 Apr 18 14:58
Historic EC wins are just as valid as today's CL wins, that's what i'm saying, you can't just dismiss EC wins because they upset your stats, your argument to dismiss Celtic's '67 win because they wouldn't win it today is just rubbish.
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