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n88uk
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How big a bribe did the Premier League pay for this then?
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Report mesmerised August 26, 2016 10:31 AM BST
Why would they pay a bribe, UEFA have no choice, give the top clubs what they want or we will form a breakaway superleague comp. Only a matter of time before it's extended to 5 and 6
Report n88uk August 26, 2016 10:38 AM BST
Doubt it will get extended to 5 and 6. France, Russia and Portugal don't have anywhere near the clout the top 4 leagues do.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet August 26, 2016 10:52 AM BST
I think he meant top 6 clubs in the big 4 leagues.
Report n88uk August 26, 2016 10:55 AM BST
Oh I see. Only if you expand the format is it gonna be possible though. Hard to squeeze an extra 8 teams into a 32 team format.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet August 26, 2016 10:57 AM BST
UEFA doesnt care about those other teams. These changes prove that.
Report mesmerised August 26, 2016 11:05 AM BST
The Champions Loge will have to be doubled to 64 teams to accommodate demand, big clubs with big owners in big leagues like your Milan's and Liverpool's don't want to miss out, the only counter argument I've heard is there will be a lot of boring group games, they're already is and you don't have to watch them. Also the best way smaller teams from smaller leagues will ever have a chance to grow, 16 groups of four, meaning 1 extra round if 2 go through, better for sponsors, TV etc.
Report mesmerised August 26, 2016 11:05 AM BST
league
Report n88uk August 26, 2016 11:07 AM BST
Yer I can definitely see that.
Report n88uk August 26, 2016 11:11 AM BST
It wouldn't even make that big a difference to be done like that, and in a way more knockouts makes it more exciting anyway.

I guess main issue is can you do that but not cut anybody's money. Ie. where does the money come from to fill the revenue gap. Some will come from extra matches which means more sponsorship, TV revenue you would think, but would that fill the gap, I don't know.
Report OnePercenter August 26, 2016 1:36 PM BST
Expand to 64 teams? Who wants to see games between sides like Charleroi and Hajduk Split?

The Barca president said last season he wants qualification to be based on past performance and invites. The top clubs need a constant increase in revenues and playing Hajduk Split or Charleroi is not going to do that.
Report mafeking August 26, 2016 1:57 PM BST
i assume this is mainly down to the constant moaning of the milan clubs. not gonna make much difference though when they keep finishing 8th and 10th
Report n88uk August 26, 2016 1:58 PM BST
But if you have 16 teams from these top 4 leagues. Another 2-3 from France, Portugal, Russia. Champions of a few other countries like Ukraine, Greece, Belgium, Turkey, Switzerland, Holland etc.

Doesn't allow much room for adding more teams from the top leagues with out expanding the overall number.
Report n88uk August 26, 2016 2:01 PM BST
It's mainly down to the threats of a breakaway I assume. Italians aren't happy. English would be furious if they lost their 4th place which was possible over the next few years.

There is some merit to it in that Roma for example who went out in the playoff round are far better than many sides who are in the group stage.

But the revenue should be shared better to some of the smaller countries. This move will boost the overall quality in the Champions League for sure, but you have to be careful to keep it a European wide competition with European wide representation.
Report n88uk August 26, 2016 2:03 PM BST
The other issue I see is unless they are changing the coefficient system is this will give the top 4 leagues a ridiculous advantage to protect that status forever more if they have 4 teams automatically in the group stage and no-one else has more than 2.
Report Meadow X1 August 26, 2016 2:34 PM BST
Well that's Spain, Germany, Italy and France safe. What's going to happen to the diddy teams that are left?
Report OnePercenter August 26, 2016 2:53 PM BST
In the bright new world of invitations the little clubs behave when they are invited or they can go into the Europa League.
Report Platini August 26, 2016 3:02 PM BST
Didn't realise there were FOUR top leagues in Europe Laugh
Report n88uk August 26, 2016 3:14 PM BST
There is a huge gap coefficient wise between 4th and 5th tbf.

Spain 87.141
Germany 67.641
England 63.819
Italy 60.819
France 45.332
Russia 44.332
Portugal 43.832
Ukraine 38.633

But still the current coefficient system would see this format heavily protect their status as the top 4 leagues.
Report bingo bongo August 26, 2016 3:25 PM BST
It was the Italians and Spanish pushing for the four places. Seems ridiculous announcing this before finalizing how the rest of the places are allocated. Russian fa the first to complain.
Report n88uk August 26, 2016 3:34 PM BST
What is the source for that? The other FA's complaining wouldn't surprise me. Italians obviously going to push for it as they keep ending up with 2 teams in the group stage recently. But Spain? They have 4-5 teams every year.
Report mafeking August 26, 2016 3:40 PM BST
4th spanish side has been knocked out a lot of times in the play offs the last few years
Report macca18 August 26, 2016 3:51 PM BST
All about the greedy grasping "big 4"

What happened to meritocracy?

To be honest the later stags of CL have become boring and predictable.
Report macca18 August 26, 2016 3:52 PM BST
*stages
Report n88uk August 26, 2016 3:55 PM BST

Aug 26, 2016 -- 9:40AM, mafeking wrote:


4th spanish side has been knocked out a lot of times in the play offs the last few years


This is the first year in many isn't it? (and of course they still have 4 teams in the group stage anyway)

The 5 years before this year the Spanish side had qualified through the playoff round.

Report bingo bongo August 26, 2016 4:31 PM BST
For Barca and Real I think its more about changes to the tv money, which apparently will be based more on performance.
Supposedly the places will be 26 direct qualifiers only 6 through play offs. The champions route and league routes stay the same. So presumably its an extra round of qualifying to make the league stages for those teams.
Report oneyallbeenwaiting4 August 26, 2016 4:45 PM BST
football is finished, how can you have a champions league were some champions have to qualify while 2nd 3rd and 4th finishers go straight in

the greed is repulsive
Report oneyallbeenwaiting4 August 26, 2016 4:50 PM BST
and lets be honest, only 3 or 4 teams in europe have any chance of winning the tournament consistently, none of them reside in england or france, 2 in spain, 1 in germany and 1 in italy
Report oneyallbeenwaiting4 August 26, 2016 4:55 PM BST
Tottenham Hotspur and Leicester might as well be Rostov and Ludogorets for all their significance in the tournament and chance of winning
Report Mmid August 26, 2016 4:56 PM BST
How about changing the name from Champions League as well, seeing as most of the teams in it aren't?

Better still return it to a two leg knockout competition instead of a boring group stage. Much more entertaining. Of course that will never happen due to money.  Perhaps if the teams are concerned about their income they could stop haemorraging it all out to the players?


To be honest I wish these 'big' teams would just sod off and form the inevitable European super league and leave the rest of the teams and fans to have a league system where they can actually have a chance of getting into the top league and have a chance of winning it rather than the closed shop of billionaire clubs that the Premier is rapidly becoming.
Report tobermory August 26, 2016 6:14 PM BST
The obvious solution to Man United et al missing out and also Celtic and champions of similar sized countries having to play mid summer qualifiers, is to simply scrap The Europa League and have 1 competition.

eg the champs of the 32 top countries play in 8 groups and Top 2 make last 16.

Of the rest , the 128 lowest qualifying clubs (eg 6th and 7th in England ) play a qualifier late July.

The 64 winners join 64 already qualified teams so you have 128 teams you need reduce to 16 by Xmas.

This could be done as a straight knockout or in a variety of ways if you wanted to guarantee that everyone who got beyond the July qualifier has at least 4 further matches.

You end up with a 32 team knock out after Xmas. The last 32 could be played as a 1 leg match with home advantage for Group winners.

This way any big club in the big leagues will be in if they do better than mid table, champions of Scotland etc ate guaranteed 6 games,  and no one has to waste their time in a Mickey Mouse tournament no one gives a fk about.
Report oneyallbeenwaiting4 August 26, 2016 6:30 PM BST
just no
Report bingo bongo August 26, 2016 6:36 PM BST
Having thought about it I suspect clubs like Celtic will be hugely put out by the new system. Instead of 10 qualifiers - 5 from champions route and 5 from league route, its rumored they'll only be 6 spots. Now instinctively I thought - 3 places for champions and 3 for the league. But actually the extra 4 teams that will be advanced automatically would have been in the league route, so its the other 2/3rd place teams who should lose the spots, especially as 4 of the so called better teams won't be in their section.
Report mesmerised August 26, 2016 7:06 PM BST
I've always said have one competition - 64 teams in the Champions League......... but 128Laugh
Report oneyallbeenwaiting4 August 26, 2016 7:13 PM BST
country coefficient being dropped should suit celtic, as should getting points for being a previous winner of the tournament

all champions should be straight in, give the big leagues the remaining extra places and drop the pot system, whats the point of making it easier for the big teams so the gap just keeps growing?

the top 4 in the betting could theoretically be in the same group meaning two massive teams are going out, making the group stages important and possibly opening up spaces for a smaller team in another group to go further and thus improve as a club with the extra money

the philosophy just now is absolute madness for the sport, their is no chance for any league not considered big to grow

in US sports the worst teams gets the best chance of getting first draft pick, if their was a draft in football we would give first pick to the champions league winner, its against the essence of sport
Report Coachbuster August 26, 2016 7:40 PM BST
it was always on the cards .

Manchester city in the qualifying play off was a ridiculous scenario really  - S-B had NO chance
Report Coachbuster August 26, 2016 7:43 PM BST
by 2036 the champions league will be taking in TEN EPL clubs ,with the tenth places team entering in the first round alongside the champions of Moldova,Luxembourg and Malta
Report Coachbuster August 26, 2016 7:43 PM BST
and there will be no group stage as such ,just two leagues of six teams
Report n88uk August 26, 2016 8:57 PM BST

Aug 26, 2016 -- 12:36PM, bingo bongo wrote:


Having thought about it I suspect clubs like Celtic will be hugely put out by the new system. Instead of 10 qualifiers - 5 from champions route and 5 from league route, its rumored they'll only be 6 spots. Now instinctively I thought - 3 places for champions and 3 for the league. But actually the extra 4 teams that will be advanced automatically would have been in the league route, so its the other 2/3rd place teams who should lose the spots, especially as 4 of the so called better teams won't be in their section.


In one of the articles (I think Daily Mail) it says UEFA have only guaranteed 4 places to league winners through the playoffs rather than the current 5.

If you what you said about 26 straight in is correct. It would leave 2 places for like French 3rd, Portuguese 3rd side to fight over etc. If those numbers are correct the big losers will be the leagues with 2-3 places. You will have about 10 teams fighting over 2 spots. Some will have no chance, eg. the 2nd place in Croatia will have pretty much no chance of getting out of that.

That assumes the 26 straight in is correct. Is that based on anything UEFA have said or the fact the current set up plus these extra teams = 26?

So right now the make up of that 26 is

4 Spain
4 Germany
4 England
4 Italy
2 France
2 Portugal
1 Russia
1 Ukraine
1 Dutch
1 Belgian
1 Swiss
1 Turkish

Coefficients will change some of these things though as Russia for example have just gone above Portugal. And the Dutch league has fallen about 10 places and is likely to only have 1 team have to go in through the playoffs soon.

Report n88uk August 26, 2016 9:00 PM BST
This will be bad for Celtic as it means 1 less team going through the champions route. It could also mean stiffer competition in that champions route if UEFA decide to drop any of those nations from automatic qualification.

It's potentially murderous though for France, Portugal, Russia, Ukraine etc. if they are left for their 2nd and 3rd place sides to fight with a load of other teams over 2 spots. I guess UEFA would argue that only around 2 of these sides get through currently anyway, as normally at least 3 of the 5 current qualifiers from this route are from Spain, Germany, England or Italy (it was only 2 this year though).
Report bingo bongo August 26, 2016 9:42 PM BST
I think it was in lequipe which said a 26/6 split. I have read since that 2 of the automatic places maybe taken away instead, I guess from the lowest champion and the lowest 2nd. So then it would be 24 automatic and 8 qualifiers with a 4/4 split, which probably makes more sense. Strange how uefa announce the good news for the 4 countries, but not the bad news for everyone else, maybe still working it out.
The other bad news for Celtic is that less of the money is allocated according to how much your tv rights go for, and Celtic cash in on this because they are included in the UK tv market.
Report Hamsterdam August 26, 2016 9:52 PM BST
French teams should refuse to play in protest how are they supposed to make up that coefficient with just two teams against a guaranteed four?

How is that stale mate ever going to be broken?
Report Coachbuster August 26, 2016 9:57 PM BST
football is finished, how can you have a champions league were some champions have to qualify while 2nd 3rd and 4th finishers go straight in

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you can look at it two ways and ask ,

why should the champions of Luxembourg etc even get a look in ?  it's not like they are good quality teams - in an English league system  that same team would not even get into Europe  , so in other words the team is there by a geographic fluke or 'birthright'
Report Coachbuster August 26, 2016 10:03 PM BST
and why is there a europa league ?  -might  as well have a system similar to how Tobermory described
Report n88uk August 26, 2016 11:50 PM BST
Ultimately on average they are effectively taking around 2 teams away from the others. Giving these leagues 16 spots in the group stage, they would normally fill around 14 on average anyway.

So that's one away from the champions route, and one away from the others. They probably think they can just about get away with that. It would make more sense if it's 4 and 4 though in the qualifying rounds. Otherwise you've got 11 mostly reasonably good teams fighting for 2 places in qualifying I think.

Depending how they are now allocating the money might end up being a good thing. The way it works now is way too weighted towards how much your TV rights go for. So smaller nations are playing in the Champions League for a relative pittance, it would be better if the wealth was spread better and more for achievement than being from a certain nation. Will have to see what the actual changes are first to judge though.

I also imagine they will throw more money at the Europa League to keep protests down (I think I read they are promising prize money increases in both UCL and UEL).
Report n88uk August 26, 2016 11:55 PM BST
Wtf is this also.

Historical success in the competition will also be acknowledged in coefficient calculation (points for previous European titles with a weighted system for UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League titles)


Sounds ridiculous in principle.
Report n88uk August 26, 2016 11:56 PM BST
Supposedly Platini opposed these new changes and his exit paved the way.
Report tobermory August 27, 2016 12:04 AM BST
So does anyone actually think the Europa League is a good thing ?

As getting rid of it solves all the problems with qualifying for the CL .

It is bizarre that such a pointless competition continues without hardly a murmur against it.
Report themover August 27, 2016 12:46 AM BST
Last season 381 million euros in prize money was distributed amongst the Europa League teams. Whilst that's nowhere near the Champions League pot to some clubs it can make a significant difference to their annual income. Admittedly due to the way the market pool is divided (152m euros) clubs from England, Spain and Germany receive a larger proportion of that based on the domestic TV audience but 229m euros is still performance related. The winner can expect between 15 and 17 million euros rising to 25 million if the winner is from Spain, Germany, or England. I'm sure Sevilla have been grateful Grin
Report tobermory August 27, 2016 12:56 AM BST
But i'm saying there should just be 1 competition, so they would get the money anyway.

Just put the teams that would have been in The Europa together with the other non champions and get their numbers down to 16 by Xmas.

Then 16 Champions come out of the groups and you have a round of 32

Actually they would make more money as Europa Lg games play in front of half empty grounds most of it .If they were all in the proper competition attendances would obviously be much higher
Report Capt__F August 27, 2016 1:00 AM BST
four legs good two legs better
Report lurka August 27, 2016 1:18 AM BST
The reason only 3 or 4 teams can win it and the co-efficients are so skewed between the top 4 leagues and the 5th and lower is that the top teams in the top leagues attract all the top players/managers and perpetuate the situation, keeping all the big dough for themselves and moving further and further away from the rest year on year. They have been doing this for years and losing you CL spot can be a lot like relegation in terms of getting back up there, I suppose you have to give Wenger a lot of credit for that.

It gets harder every year to break into that elite, a bit like the top 4 in England but on a grander scale. Yes, there are exceptions, like there are in the PL top 4 but only for a year or two at most. Something has to be done about it, it really is killing the game and all of the top leagues but the big perennial CL clubs have all the power and don't want it to change.

I don't think a breakaway league would work, esp with regard to away support and attendances, I don't think you'd get anyone other than the top 4 or 5 sides in favour of that and it would have happened by now if it wasn't considered too risky. Didn't the top English clubs meet last year to discuss how they could cement their place in the CL every year in response to the prospect of a Leicester or Spurs shutting one or two of them out? We can't be having that now can we? These are plcs remember, not football clubs any more.
Report themover August 27, 2016 1:26 AM BST

Aug 26, 2016 -- 6:56PM, tobermory wrote:


But i'm saying there should just be 1 competition, so they would get the money anyway.Just put the teams that would have been in The Europa together with the other non champions and get their numbers down to 16 by Xmas.Then 16 Champions come out of the groups and you have a round of 32Actually they would make more money as Europa Lg games play in front of half empty grounds most of it .If they were all in the proper competition attendances would obviously be much higher


I'm misunderstanding somewhere! : "eg the champs of the 32 top countries play in 8 groups and Top 2 make last 16"

Do you mean by that the actual winners of the 32 top countries ie from Spain all the way down to Liechtenstein ?

Report tobermory August 27, 2016 1:39 AM BST
Yes The actual Champions.

Liechtenstein does not have a league at all so no they'd not be in the groups . Vaduz qualify for Europe by winning the Cup so that would only get them in the qualifying round in July.

Of the Top 32 Leagues the lowest rated would be the champions of Hungary.
Report themover August 27, 2016 1:47 AM BST
so hypothetically, let's say Barcelona win La Liga and Real Madrid are runners up. Real Madrid join the 128 other clubs and play a qualifier in July Confused
Report tobermory August 27, 2016 2:03 AM BST
No that would only be for the lowest rated teams

32 top champions in 8 groups

Of the others we would have

64 teams automatically qualify : eg 2nd,3rd,4th maybe FA Cup Winners , and the equivalent in Spain,Germany . Russia/Holland level would have 2nd and 3rd qualify automatically

Then you would have 128 teams : eg 5th in England + Carling Cup Winners , they would have to play a qualifier along with say 4th place in Russia/Holland and champions of Moldova et al

So after the qualifier it would be 32 Champions in groups and 128 teams that weren't champions . 16 Champions go on byond Christmas and 16 of those 128 so you'd have a round of 32 and straight knockout til the end.
Report tobermory August 27, 2016 2:04 AM BST
So the number of teams in Europe in total starting in July would be 224 , basically the same as it is now ,but all in 1 competition.
Report themover August 27, 2016 2:25 AM BST
and I thought the Champions League draw was confusing LaughLaugh
Report themover August 27, 2016 2:33 AM BST
seems to me that you're essentially pitching your Champions League Pot 2 teams against Europa League teams and Pot 1 teams against  Pot 3 or 4 teams with a few Europa league clubs that happened to win their domestic league that year.
Report OnePercenter August 27, 2016 10:04 AM BST
The big clubs want premium games they can get mega TV money for without losing the money from their domestic league deals. The TV companies are not interested in little clubs in distant countries.

UEFA will work out a way to get that or the big clubs and the TV companies will do it themselves.
Report OnePercenter August 27, 2016 10:11 AM BST
Drama fires TV rating so the TV companies want games that fire up the biggest number of supporters.

I'm guessing the Biggest draws would be;

Barca
Real Madrid
Atletico
United
Arsenal
Liverpool
Chelsea
Juve
Inter
AC
Bayern
PSG

Hard to play around with formats with only 12 teams so you'd probably need another 4 medium size teams to make it up to 16.

Pick any 4 from;

Marsellies
Benfica
Dortmund
City
Valencia
Ajax
etc etc
Report n88uk August 27, 2016 12:38 PM BST

Aug 26, 2016 -- 6:04PM, tobermory wrote:


So does anyone actually think the Europa League is a good thing ?As getting rid of it solves all the problems with qualifying for the CL .It is bizarre that such a pointless competition continues without hardly a murmur against it.


Yes. The problem with your 1 competition is only about half a dozen teams have a chance of winning that this year. Take this year you've got what 8 realistic winners of the Champions League maybe. The Europa League gives many more teams the chance of winning a European competition, or even making a run which they'd have no chance to do in the Champions League.

I don't think your attendances higher would be true anyway. Firstly I think half empty grounds for most of it is an exaggeration. The games that matter, ie. from knockouts are pretty much all in front of packed stadiums, even the group stage is mostly in front of full stadiums. In your CL format you are still going to get lots of matches between 2 irrelevant teams, does it really matter if that is under the Europa League banner or Champions League banner as to whether more tickets sell?

I also think your format is too much of a cluster for most fans to give a crap about. It's way too long and convoluted for fans to understand. One thing the group stage does is give a definitive start point to the competition. It's not like many people are paying attention to the qualifiers. And you instead have a group stage of just the top 32 champions, this will be far worse than the current group stage, full of even bigger mismatches.

Report Coachbuster August 27, 2016 12:55 PM BST
you were always going to get an elite group of clubs - find any meaningful league in Europe and you will get  2-4 elite clubs that always stay at the top regardless .


it's not like supporters of big clubs suddenly one day decide - you know what ? i'm fed up with supporting Ajax for the last 40 years i'm now switching to AZ Alkamar  Crazy
Report Coachbuster August 27, 2016 12:56 PM BST
it's just life.  (and money)
Report tobermory August 28, 2016 6:06 PM BST
n88uk ,

Do clubs really prefer to go in the Europa League knowing they have better chance to make Quarters or whatever than have a go in the big one ?

I can't believe , given the choice , that anyone would .

What i always ask of people who insist the Europa League must continue as it gives crap teams a chance of winning a crap trophy is this ....

When 32 countries are playing in the World Cup  do you think , at the same time , there should be 64 other nations playing in a competition elsewhere for teams that didn't make the main event ?

If you think not then why have a Europa League ? It is just the same principle at club level.

As far as the format of what i propose is concerned , there could be a variety of formats . At least i was only going with 1 qualifying round , instead of the absurd 3 starting in midsummer.
Report Coachbuster August 28, 2016 6:08 PM BST
it's a sh1te tournament tobers and everyone knows it  Grin
Report Coachbuster August 28, 2016 6:09 PM BST
if they insist on keeping it as a trophy then hand it to the runners up Happy
Report n88uk August 28, 2016 6:48 PM BST
When I watch a lot of "lesser" clubs in Europe they definitely seem up for the Europa League, I guess it's more fun as a player to be in a competition you can get some wins that getting tonked 8-0 by Real Madrid and whatever. Obviously the clubs want CL for the extra money.

Take this year Man Utd, every one of those grounds Man Utd go to in the Europa League the fans and players will be very up for beating Man Utd, even if it will likely be weakened Man Utd line ups being fielded.

But I do think having a secondary European competition is good to have something for teams to aspire too. Europa League in theory is open to many more teams winning it than the Champions League is.

The World Cup is already reasonably refined, and you are always competing on an international level against other nations to find your level. The sheer number of clubs at club level that play to a reasonable level of football is a reason for a 2nd tier European competition. How many reasonably decent club teams are there vs international sides.

I think with just 1 Champions League you would make European football a ridiculous closed shop. You can have 128 teams or whatever, but there would be so many pointless games then.

The other key thing is you need some kind of system where European money trickles down to more clubs. Because European money is increasing the gaps between clubs in pretty much every league which isn't good for the competitiveness of those domestic competitions. The fear with 1 Champions League is you will end up with a closed shop where the same teams qualify every year which is often what happens anyway, but would become even worse with 1 competition imo.
Report tobermory August 28, 2016 9:39 PM BST
I think with just 1 Champions League you would make European football a ridiculous closed shop. You can have 128 teams or whatever, but there would be so many pointless games then.

Well there are vast numbers of pointless games now , if by pointless you mean several rounds between teams who have no hope of winning the trophy .There have already been 3 or 4 rounds like that before it's even started ! Ans then you have the Europa League with countless rubbish games .

There is no way what i am proposing makes it 'a closed shop' .There would be 224 teams in it , same as now , if they are good enough they go far.


The other key thing is you need some kind of system where European money trickles down to more clubs. Because European money is increasing the gaps between clubs in pretty much every league which isn't good for the competitiveness of those domestic competitions. The fear with 1 Champions League is you will end up with a closed shop where the same teams qualify every year which is often what happens anyway, but would become even worse with 1 competition imo.

There is no reason why the same teams would qualify any more than with 2 competitions. Actually with 4 places it is far more likely that 4 teams will perpetuate their position . In my proposal England would have 7 places  So in fact the reverse is true. There is no argument that teams would be worse off in terms of European money that i can see . The teams that would have gone into the Europa would have a shot at the real thing and if they were good enough to go far then they would make far more than Europa group stage would.
Report tobermory August 28, 2016 9:41 PM BST
What are the Europa League TV rights worth .

Must be fk all if Channel 5 had them for a while .Sky have not even bid for about 10 years.
Report lurka August 28, 2016 9:55 PM BST
there are far more interesting games in the EL than the Cl imo, ie games where you don't feel sure who is going to win. The latter stages are more interesting too. Depends on what you think is more interesting tho
Report n88uk August 28, 2016 10:19 PM BST
Yes but difference is now is that people don't really pay attention to the qualifiers really. The group stage in many eyes is seen as the beginning point of the competition.

Hard to work out exact worth of EL worth as BT Sport bought both CL and EL rights for £299m a year. UEFA distributed €152.4m in EL compared to €482.9m in CL for the market pool which is meant to be directly related to TV rights. However I would assume TV rights are also covering some of the prize money. The total prize fund in CL is €1.257bn vs €381m in EL. It's the poor relation, but it's not like you are making nothing playing in the Europa League.
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