Aug 26, 2016 -- 9:40AM, mafeking wrote:
4th spanish side has been knocked out a lot of times in the play offs the last few years
This is the first year in many isn't it? (and of course they still have 4 teams in the group stage anyway)
The 5 years before this year the Spanish side had qualified through the playoff round.
Aug 26, 2016 -- 12:36PM, bingo bongo wrote:
Having thought about it I suspect clubs like Celtic will be hugely put out by the new system. Instead of 10 qualifiers - 5 from champions route and 5 from league route, its rumored they'll only be 6 spots. Now instinctively I thought - 3 places for champions and 3 for the league. But actually the extra 4 teams that will be advanced automatically would have been in the league route, so its the other 2/3rd place teams who should lose the spots, especially as 4 of the so called better teams won't be in their section.
In one of the articles (I think Daily Mail) it says UEFA have only guaranteed 4 places to league winners through the playoffs rather than the current 5.
If you what you said about 26 straight in is correct. It would leave 2 places for like French 3rd, Portuguese 3rd side to fight over etc. If those numbers are correct the big losers will be the leagues with 2-3 places. You will have about 10 teams fighting over 2 spots. Some will have no chance, eg. the 2nd place in Croatia will have pretty much no chance of getting out of that.
That assumes the 26 straight in is correct. Is that based on anything UEFA have said or the fact the current set up plus these extra teams = 26?
So right now the make up of that 26 is
Coefficients will change some of these things though as Russia for example have just gone above Portugal. And the Dutch league has fallen about 10 places and is likely to only have 1 team have to go in through the playoffs soon.
Aug 26, 2016 -- 6:56PM, tobermory wrote:
But i'm saying there should just be 1 competition, so they would get the money anyway.Just put the teams that would have been in The Europa together with the other non champions and get their numbers down to 16 by Xmas.Then 16 Champions come out of the groups and you have a round of 32Actually they would make more money as Europa Lg games play in front of half empty grounds most of it .If they were all in the proper competition attendances would obviously be much higher
I'm misunderstanding somewhere! : "eg the champs of the 32 top countries play in 8 groups and Top 2 make last 16"
Do you mean by that the actual winners of the 32 top countries ie from Spain all the way down to Liechtenstein ?
Aug 26, 2016 -- 6:04PM, tobermory wrote:
So does anyone actually think the Europa League is a good thing ?As getting rid of it solves all the problems with qualifying for the CL .It is bizarre that such a pointless competition continues without hardly a murmur against it.
Yes. The problem with your 1 competition is only about half a dozen teams have a chance of winning that this year. Take this year you've got what 8 realistic winners of the Champions League maybe. The Europa League gives many more teams the chance of winning a European competition, or even making a run which they'd have no chance to do in the Champions League.
I don't think your attendances higher would be true anyway. Firstly I think half empty grounds for most of it is an exaggeration. The games that matter, ie. from knockouts are pretty much all in front of packed stadiums, even the group stage is mostly in front of full stadiums. In your CL format you are still going to get lots of matches between 2 irrelevant teams, does it really matter if that is under the Europa League banner or Champions League banner as to whether more tickets sell?
I also think your format is too much of a cluster for most fans to give a crap about. It's way too long and convoluted for fans to understand. One thing the group stage does is give a definitive start point to the competition. It's not like many people are paying attention to the qualifiers. And you instead have a group stage of just the top 32 champions, this will be far worse than the current group stage, full of even bigger mismatches.