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He thinks so.
When Barnes was manager of Celtic, they lost to Inverness Caledonian Thistle. In a two-team league, he managed to lose 8 of 29 matches in charge and he was sacked just 6 months after taking charge. Barnes' next job was manager of Tranmere Rovers. He only managed 2 wins in their first 11 matches and he was sacked again following a 5-0 loss to Millwall - this time only making it to October.
John Barnes' win ratio at Tranmere was 21%. Since then he has failed to get another job as a football manager. Les Parry had a win ratio of over 30% during his time as manager of Tranmere Rovers, far superior to Barnes' record, yet he too has failed to get another job as a manager since being sacked by Tranmere.
If racism is responsible for Barnes not getting another managerial job I wonder why the white Les Parry has failed to get a job since leaving Tranmere?
When Barnes was manager of Celtic, they lost to Inverness Caledonian Thistle. In a two-team league, he managed to lose 8 of 29 matches in charge and he was sacked just 6 months after taking charge. Barnes' next job was manager of Tranmere Rovers. He only managed 2 wins in their first 11 matches and he was sacked again following a 5-0 loss to Millwall - this time only making it to October.
John Barnes' win ratio at Tranmere was 21%. Since then he has failed to get another job as a football manager. Les Parry had a win ratio of over 30% during his time as manager of Tranmere Rovers, far superior to Barnes' record, yet he too has failed to get another job as a manager since being sacked by Tranmere.
If racism is responsible for Barnes not getting another managerial job I wonder why the white Les Parry has failed to get a job since leaving Tranmere?
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Someone on a different thread made an excellent point regarding black managers and the lack of somewhere. I believe it was after Les Ferdinand's comments in the week.
It was along the lines of, perhaps he would like to ask why the likes of Blissett, Bright, Carlisle, Collymore, Desailly, Dublin, Earle, Ekoku, Henry, James, Kamara, Parker, Rosenior, Wright and Yorke, Salako and Elliott all prefer the TV studios or radio stations rather than going for a manager job somewhere.
Hardly surprising club bosses are reluctant to hire them when they get the race card slammed down their throats and not through a manager's ability or lack of. Imv, they aren't helping themselves with these comments.
It was along the lines of, perhaps he would like to ask why the likes of Blissett, Bright, Carlisle, Collymore, Desailly, Dublin, Earle, Ekoku, Henry, James, Kamara, Parker, Rosenior, Wright and Yorke, Salako and Elliott all prefer the TV studios or radio stations rather than going for a manager job somewhere.
Hardly surprising club bosses are reluctant to hire them when they get the race card slammed down their throats and not through a manager's ability or lack of. Imv, they aren't helping themselves with these comments.
i never remember these players playing the race card when they were cashing their 50 grand a week pay checks,jesus a black guy on minimum wage must be carrying some baggage
^ no he aint a racist in the same why he aint a football manager.
He only got the Celtic job via the old pals network i.e. Kenny Dalgleish
The Sun headline probably still haunts him
'Super Caley go ballistic, Celtic are atrocious'
The Sun headline probably still haunts him
'Super Caley go ballistic, Celtic are atrocious'
Lets be honest a vast amount of white people are racist, either overtly or behind closed doors like Malkay Mackay. John Barnes was racially abused as a player and he probably feels rightly or wrongly that he hasn't been given a fair crack at management. You can understand why.
Maybe you can, but a lot of people of all colours are racist, some extremely violently, and it's not a white thing. Rwanda for instance, didn't see many white people killing their neighbours there.
Yes people from all different backgrounds can be racist.
John Barnes was a pitiful excuse for a football manager and whatever colour he is what Chairman would give him a job after he has ballooned to about 24 stone...
Barnes probably doesnt have much of a case
but the lack of Black managers in england is alarming
you'd think they would implement some version of the rooney rule
then again
the whole culture in english football is miles behind a business-savvy model like the nfl.
but the lack of Black managers in england is alarming
you'd think they would implement some version of the rooney rule
then again
the whole culture in english football is miles behind a business-savvy model like the nfl.
There is a lack of English managers in English PL, let alone black ones.
chip on hi shoulder, considering he has more money than 99% of white people, its about time he lost it
Racism on all levels is prevalent in all walks of life and needs to be eradicated. Whether John Barnes is good manager material though is a completely different question. His record at Celtic on his cv is not good though tbh.
Like a lot of ex pro's he thinks he should start at the top because he played at the top.Not prepared to go to grass roots and WORK his way back up.
TOTAL LOSER with massive chip on shoulder.
If all else fails play the Racist or Disabled card.
The countries fkd.
TOTAL LOSER with massive chip on shoulder.
If all else fails play the Racist or Disabled card.
The countries fkd.
How many black people have been given a chance at management in this country and how many successes have their been? I very much doubt if the black Clough, Revie or Shankley have been nixed because they are black.
asking for rooney rule seems to asume racism isnt keeping black players from becoming managers
there are plenty of job interviews tomorrow where the job has long been promised and others are
wasting their time
i think black players are filtering their way into management....
slowly, but i dont think any football brains are excluded because of their colour
at newcastle we had gullet and hughton,....... gullet a great football brain but poor man manager, and hughton
saved our club when we were relegated but was cruelly sacked for daring to want some say
in transfers
hardly racism in action
there are plenty of job interviews tomorrow where the job has long been promised and others are
wasting their time
i think black players are filtering their way into management....
slowly, but i dont think any football brains are excluded because of their colour
at newcastle we had gullet and hughton,....... gullet a great football brain but poor man manager, and hughton
saved our club when we were relegated but was cruelly sacked for daring to want some say
in transfers
hardly racism in action
The point being there is not a black Clough Revie or Shankley because there was not an open door in the sixties...
We have had an Ince Barnes and now a Chris Ramsey..
Role models or hopeless...
We have had an Ince Barnes and now a Chris Ramsey..
Role models or hopeless...
Also people never mention just how over represented black people are when it comes to professional football (where the money is)
Around 5% of the country is black but over half of the english team is black on some occasions
Around 5% of the country is black but over half of the english team is black on some occasions
I think it is a disgrace some of these black players and people like barnes seem to always play the race card
He was a 5hit manager thats it.
Great player(and I am a liverpool fan) but a manager no.
I was going to football as a kid in the 70's
race attacks on the few black players then were terrible I saw leeds fans throw banana's on the pitch at barnes who was playing for Watford so I understand as far as I can how he has been affected, but its getting to the point in this country where you cant say someone is bad at something because they are black or inparticular asian
He was a 5hit manager thats it.
Great player(and I am a liverpool fan) but a manager no.
I was going to football as a kid in the 70's
race attacks on the few black players then were terrible I saw leeds fans throw banana's on the pitch at barnes who was playing for Watford so I understand as far as I can how he has been affected, but its getting to the point in this country where you cant say someone is bad at something because they are black or inparticular asian
why does Barnes want more black managers ? any ? however poor ?
good managers of any colour should be his wish .
it's like a Chinese bloke who wants more Chinese take aways
good managers of any colour should be his wish .
it's like a Chinese bloke who wants more Chinese take aways
Barnes ,you're a mentalist -
good goal against Brazil though
good goal against Brazil though
Sport is a meritocracy. The racism card is a ridiculous argument. There are huge amounts of money at stake and chairmen simply choose whoever they think is going to be best at the job. Tbh John Barnes is about the worst example you could choose. He was loved and admired which is why he got the jobs, but in practice he was dreadful.
Mar 29, 2015 -- 8:45PM, CLYDEBANK29 wrote:
Sport is a meritocracy.
Exactly..
No one gets turned down for a job if you are good at it..
I want the Rooney rule turned on its head at the BBC where nine out of ten candidates should be white in an interview...
No one gets turned down for a job if you are good at it..
I want the Rooney rule turned on its head at the BBC where nine out of ten candidates should be white in an interview...
Mar 29, 2015 -- 8:45PM, CLYDEBANK29 wrote:
Sport is a meritocracy.
very surprised paul ince has never played the race card either,the guy has one massive chip on his shoulder,as well as being a terrible manager
I copy and paste the bit I want to quote but it quotes the wrong bit when I click the paste button grrr
I'm trying to quote this Tbh John Barnes is about the worst example you could choose. but when I click quote it quotes "Sport is a meritocracy"
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coach I did send you a message Tuesday
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coach I did send you a message Tuesday
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hang on there i'll go and check
His record was shocking, he made the usual mistake of thinking he can waltz into a big club because he was a big time player. Start at the bottom or close to it, prove your worth, get better jobs, that goes for any big time player whatever their race.
He's got no case at all. He has an entitlement issue of you ask me, same as many big name players.
He's got no case at all. He has an entitlement issue of you ask me, same as many big name players.
Perhaps beating up his wife might be a reason
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+TRIED+TO+KILL+MYSELF+AFTER+JOHN+BEAT+ME+UP.-a079504853
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+TRIED+TO+KILL+MYSELF+AFTER+JOHN+BEAT+ME+UP.-a079504853
even the mention of JB still sends shivers down the spines of celtic supporters. A very talented football player he was no question, but also one of the worst and tactically inept coaches to ever sit in a dugout 
I think it may be relevant if we knew how many black people were applying for job and not getting them especially if they are qualified to do the job - something Barnes wasn't. It strikes me that most owners would give Robert Mugabe a job if they thought he could snaffle a higher place in the league and turn a profit in the transfer market.
Heard him on 5 Live earlier. Really embarrassed himself, just as Sol Campbell did when he similarly claimed that being black had prevented him captaining England. Disgrace that such a distinguished player should reduce himself to playing this race card. Like most people in most industries, you have to start work at the bottom and earn promotions through a combination of competence, experience and a good track record of success.
His poor managerial record was put to him as a reason for his lack of management opportunities, and he bizarrely countered it by claiming that white managers are given more time than black managers, due to some sort of subconscious racism by club owners or chairmen, without any evidence to back up this absurd assertion
I've seen no evidence of a chairmen acting in a racist way when it comes to employing black players, so why should they suddenly develop a racist attitude when it comes to managers? I do accept there is some old school casual racism from the likes of Dave Whelan, but that is by and large the product of a previous generation.
His poor managerial record was put to him as a reason for his lack of management opportunities, and he bizarrely countered it by claiming that white managers are given more time than black managers, due to some sort of subconscious racism by club owners or chairmen, without any evidence to back up this absurd assertion
I've seen no evidence of a chairmen acting in a racist way when it comes to employing black players, so why should they suddenly develop a racist attitude when it comes to managers? I do accept there is some old school casual racism from the likes of Dave Whelan, but that is by and large the product of a previous generation.
Weirdly he became an apologist for Suarez during the Evra race row.
probably got sacked from celtic cos he is english
i forgot about his suarez comments pandorica, lol
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-16309990
i forgot about his suarez comments pandorica, lol
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-16309990
If racism is responsible for Barnes not getting another managerial job I wonder why the white Les Parry has failed to get a job since leaving Tranmere?
Didn't Parry go back to concentrating on the medical side of things? Pretty sure he went to Manchester United doing something along those lines.
Have to say I read Barnes saying about a white manager getting sacked, gets a new job, gets sacked, gets a new job and the name Michael Appleton immediately sprung to mind. When you consider his managerial career Barnes may have a point!
Didn't Parry go back to concentrating on the medical side of things? Pretty sure he went to Manchester United doing something along those lines.
Have to say I read Barnes saying about a white manager getting sacked, gets a new job, gets sacked, gets a new job and the name Michael Appleton immediately sprung to mind. When you consider his managerial career Barnes may have a point!
What's the ratio of white and black players that go on to take their coaching badges? If it's equal then I'd agree there may well be an issue, but I've got a feeling it won't be.
his rapping career never took off after Italia '90 and the New Order song, was that because he is black? no, just like football management, it's because he is rubbish. He had 2 goes at it and failed miserably on both occasions, the only way to go from there is non-league and work your way up. It seems he wants it on a plate
Would he ever have gone down the JFH route and gone to a Burton Albion ?
Would he f**k.....wants it on a plate
Would he f**k.....wants it on a plate
So Barnes wants managers employed because of the colour of their skin, as oppose to their ability.
Hmmmm, That's what's happened to the inner city police forces, that's why the crime detection rate is 5hit, compered to what it was before nu labour got involved.
Hmmmm, That's what's happened to the inner city police forces, that's why the crime detection rate is 5hit, compered to what it was before nu labour got involved.
Perhaps both accounts are correct.
Yes he's been the victim of racism.
Yes he's fcking clueless.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
Yes he's been the victim of racism.
Yes he's fcking clueless.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
the chip on his shoulder could do a better job than Barnes himself
dont hear him moaning about Jimmy Floyd being given the job at Burton,
fat b@stard
fat b@stard
he is just another one of the 99% of people or so in the country who cant get a job he wants , so sits and moans
at least he gets tv deals the fat coont
at least he gets tv deals the fat coont
Mar 31, 2015 -- 1:45PM, dambuster wrote:
I thought he went bankrupt as well
I seem to recall he was on the edge of bankruptcy when he tried to avoid a driving ban a few years back.
How many jobs has Paul Ince had...
Just a thought and that fella at QPR is an expert and role model
Bring back Harry as his knee is fixed...
Just a thought and that fella at QPR is an expert and role model
Bring back Harry as his knee is fixed...
Fcking United fan?
You should be ashamed to have the club's name anywhere near you. I know the rest of us are
You should be ashamed to have the club's name anywhere near you. I know the rest of us are
Apart from that... cooking and cleaning is fine but I live in a very big house so it isn't easy
Feck me Pandorica is pissed..
Get yourself off to bed love the cleaning will take care of itself...
Get yourself off to bed love the cleaning will take care of itself...
I'm not interested in your attention seeking drivel on here but I'll be at the Villa game. Give me a time and place and we can chat. Otherwise go fck yourself 
Calm down love I have a couple of other Women to attend to..
They both have money and would not dream of wasting it on a trip to Birmingham..
Never said that I was a Man Utd fan fan did I...(maybe I did.. on a previous forum)...
PM me with a photo (without the scarf on)...
Where do they come from...
They both have money and would not dream of wasting it on a trip to Birmingham..
Never said that I was a Man Utd fan fan did I...(maybe I did..
on a previous forum)...PM me with a photo (without the scarf on
)...Where do they come from...
ITV showing an interview with Barnes tonight.
If he feels a victim of racism he should name, shame and go to the police. Racism is a criminal act.
If the police see no case to answer he should publicly apologise.
If he feels a victim of racism he should name, shame and go to the police. Racism is a criminal act.
If the police see no case to answer he should publicly apologise.
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink was on Goals on Sunday about a month or so ago. The bit I seen with him he said when he was getting his coaching badges there were hardly any black people there with him, and I am sure he said that they basically didn't want to put the work in (something along those lines).
Some good points from JFH imo:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/jimmy-floyd-hasselbaink-the-rooney-rule-is-just-patronising-9432038.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/jimmy-floyd-hasselbaink-the-rooney-rule-is-just-patronising-9432038.html
at least 1 milliom polish here
why hasnt ONE of them got a league football managers job
thats fkin racist imo
even if they are fkin sh!t fck that just give them the fkin job
why hasnt ONE of them got a league football managers job
thats fkin racist imo
even if they are fkin sh!t fck that just give them the fkin job
there are more somalians in my town than other races, then why isnt one of them fkers managing my team (premier)
its because they are sh!t at what they do
but they are very good at getting free glasses on prescription getting disabled passes for their cars and public transport blah blah blah
basically every fker except them fkin hates them
and thats the fkin way it is
we are human and we hate other fkin humans thats the fkin way we are
have a look around the world today and its all plain to see
its because they are sh!t at what they do
but they are very good at getting free glasses on prescription getting disabled passes for their cars and public transport blah blah blah
basically every fker except them fkin hates them
and thats the fkin way it is
we are human and we hate other fkin humans thats the fkin way we are
have a look around the world today and its all plain to see
Loads of Somalians round our way but not seen any of the issues you mention. Couple of my eldest's best mates from school are Somalian and no issues with them or their familes (both mother and father gainfully employed, hard workers, kids fit in etc). Don't really see the issue. I'm sure there are bad eggs from every race/nationality/ethnic group/religion etc etc but why tar everyone with the same brush. They bring something to the table, they're nice people, what's not to like?!
yes i agree with you totally but we act on what we see. NOT on what we dont see BECAUSE we are fkin human with emotions prejudices its all genetic blah blah blah we aint fkin machines if we were we would kill every fker
this happened in my local bookie yday (bd 1st last letter)
an asian girl came in probably india pakistani origin but vey fluent in english so i guess from here
there were about 5-6 black guys in there and i would say they were of west indian origin or at least their parents were.we all know a broad west indian accent
anyway the girl was going mad and saying things like this (i cant say it word for word but it went like this)
you lot are fkin perverts and paedos you raped me when i was 13 on the park when i was drunk yes you and your fkin brother
one of the guys responded with a load af abuse towards her
another guy (west indian maybe a friend who was near her) tried to get her out of the place
but what surprised me as she was so small she grabbed him by the throat (her being about 5'5') him abot 5'10+ and pushed him up against the wall
it was at this time i decided to leave (fck all to do with me)
an asian girl came in probably india pakistani origin but vey fluent in english so i guess from here
there were about 5-6 black guys in there and i would say they were of west indian origin or at least their parents were.we all know a broad west indian accent
anyway the girl was going mad and saying things like this (i cant say it word for word but it went like this)
you lot are fkin perverts and paedos you raped me when i was 13 on the park when i was drunk yes you and your fkin brother
one of the guys responded with a load af abuse towards her
another guy (west indian maybe a friend who was near her) tried to get her out of the place
but what surprised me as she was so small she grabbed him by the throat (her being about 5'5') him abot 5'10+ and pushed him up against the wall
it was at this time i decided to leave (fck all to do with me)
yes i agree with you totally but we act on what we see. NOT on what we dont see BECAUSE we are fkin human with emotions prejudices its all genetic blah blah blah we aint fkin machines if we were we would kill every fker
Employing someone because of the colour of their skin, is that not racist?
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Homefortea the cowardly lion
WHAT WAS THAT..
Homefortea the cowardly lion
WHAT WAS THAT..
Evening homefortea.
Have you had a busy day?
Any plans for the easter weekend?
Have you had a busy day?
Any plans for the easter weekend?
embarrassing twaddle. The allegations that is, not you lot.
Had to laugh when mccmanaman said he was the heartbeat and main focal point of that liverpool team,Beardsley made them tick,not barnes
Barnes was incredible as a player, and massively underrated in the Carrick role he played towards the end of his career but carlisle makes a good point. Liverpool collapsed like a flan in a cupboard once Beardsley left.
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