Championship Hcap winners..Bnmouth + 18

Perhaps those who you placed the bet with
would be able to furnish you with the info
you require. GL from me as I am a B'mouth
supporter!

thanks, I always keep it but god knows where ive put it....firm was the tote/betfred

think brentford were +23

If your on with Fred, Bournemouth currently 2pts ahead of Brentford, Middlesboro 3rd 5pts behind 87 /8 / 82

Totals:

Bournemouth 87
Brentford 85
Middlesbrough 82
Ipswich 79
Watford 78
Wolves 75
Birmingham 75
Charlton 74
Norwich 71
Leeds 70
Sheff Weds 70
Huddersfield 69
Rotherham 68
Derby 68
N Forest 66
Blackburn 65
Bolton 60
Millwall 60
Brighton 57
Blackpool 56
Reading 56
Cardiff 47
Fulham 43
Wigan 39

amazing that with all the goings on Cardiff were scratch................accepting that if they could ever get their act together and with Vincent Tan's money behind them they could become a real force in the premier league.

If the handicappers were any good everyone would be on the same points

A ridiculous bet.

It's the football equivalent of betting in a 24 horse
handicap race, that is ridiculous.

Toffee87, if you had the wager with betvictor they generally update on their site so you can see where you are. Bournemouth were 18, Brentford 24. As for those saying this is a bad bet, each to their own but do think the handicap offers value. Plenty you can rule out each season.

only be value with
hindsight

thtas just saying 'only value if it wins'

prettys sure it's 19/1 the field in the championship

as said above the poor value can be ruled quickly in such markets .eg Chelsea of scratch would need to set a points record to win it , and are the same odds as a relegation candidate that could win the h'cap with 45pts

United didn't win it off scratch , no one ever has far as i know . Also it was the lowest total ever that season (91?) .Typically 3 or 4 teams will get that much .

To say there can't be any value because the bookies have an overround is an arguement against betting on anything at all!

So you would not have a bet in a four horse race with an over round of 104%

The fixation with the overround is bizarre. Accepted, the greater the overround, the less chance of an edge being available. It certainly doesn't eliminate the chance and to quote the overround as 25% when there are so many different Companies offering different handicaps pre season, naturally substantially reduces that figure. 25% is the figure if you are limited to one bookmaker.
There are sports where I struggle to ever find an edge (and very rarely if ever bet) but that doesn't mean that I'm arrogant enough to believe that nobody can find value if their approach to that sport/market is better than mine.
The coupons are printed at a time when pre season matches are ongoing (if not before), transfers are being made and managers changed.
Tobermory mentions the advantage that the outsiders in the Prem hcap have over the favs. I am aware of that myself and this also helps in finding an edge.

Can get some great value in handicap betting. I regularly make a profit in the flat jockey title handicap for example

If you price a selection @ 9/2 and you can back it at 7/1, what difference does the overround make? I price everything I bet on, the overround is irrelevant to me, albeit if I'm betting on a market priced to 150%, there is less chance of finding an edge. Less chance but not no chance and many opportunities are missed by disregarding markets due to overrounds.
I don't bet on horses at all but people are able to bet in both 4 runner races and large handicaps, despite the 24 runner handicap mentioned bearing no relevance to a 20 runner Prem Hcap, where different coupons have different handicap starts.