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twoquidew
When: 09 Dec 24 20:30
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twoquidew
When: 09 Dec 24 20:30
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twoquidew
When: 09 Dec 24 20:30
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twoquidew
When: 09 Dec 24 20:36
Apologies can't do emojis for some reason
By:
The Dragon
When: 10 Dec 24 07:26
Thanks analyst for your insight re Hull what xG tables?

Thanks also 2 quid ew -food for thought
By:
onthehoy
When: 10 Dec 24 13:39
After a good return from my bets at weekend, I am hoping more winners are in the pipeline for me in the midweek games (or will it be business as usual with a run of losing bets now).

I reckon Burnley at 1.73 are looking good for the home win tonight

and if Blackburn don’t nick a win then the draw looks a real possibility,
so I’ll be on them on the Asian Handicap, Blackburn +0.25 goals  @  1.93


Analyst, I rarely back draws, but occasionally if there are 2 or 3 games I fancy to draw and the odds aren’t too short, I've recently started backing them all to level stake and then it’s just fingers crossed that at least 1 of them comes in.

Dragon, re xG tables, I’ve just started looking at footystats... Org

Good Luck All
By:
The Dragon
When: 10 Dec 24 13:43
thanks OTH

copied this from the site:

Where Did xG Come From?

xG, or Expected Goals, is a methodology formulated by Alan Ryder, who wanted to measure the quality of a shot at goal, but not in Football. No, xG started when Alan stated:

    Not all shots on goal are created equal.

He was right, and his research has since inspired other sports and data geeks and gurus to focus on their own models for creating xG (Expected Goals). If xG is the measure of quality for the shot taken by a team, then what factors go into it?

    Assist Type
    Distance from Goal
    Type of Attack
    Shot Angle
    Body Part Used to Shoot

You can see why having Kevin de Bruyne or Trent Alexander-Arnold on your side would increase a teams xG. They create better chances for other players to score. The passes are so good that the chance of the forward scoring is higher. Sergio Aguero is a lucky man.

In the past few years, xG has become a key indicator of how dangerous a side can be, or in some cases how little chances they create. It's a very interesting statistic to study and one that really can help when it comes to betting on football. Some teams might have a high xG per game, but a low number of actual or average goals scored. This kind of trend suggests that the side needs to invest in a better forward, as the chances are clearly there.
Football Isn't Played in Spreadsheets

With the recent surge of use of expected goals in punditry and mainstream football, xG has become almost ubiquitous in daily football talk. However it's good to remember that football is not played in spreadsheets or via mathematical models. There is always limitations to expected goals, and we must respect the reality of the performances that occured.
For example, in the 2021/2022 UCL Campaign, the final had Real Madrid accumulate 0.73 xG and Liveprool had 2.9 xG. This is roughly the same value across many models published online (they generally only fluctuate about 0.2~0.3 xG between models). This means that Liverpool was expected to have scored almost 3 goals for the shots that they've taken.

However the fixture ended 1-0 in Madrid's favour.
Why? Because xG is not above player performances in reality. This is a combination of Thibaut Courtois' incredible goalkeeping performances, and Madrid's ability to create quality chances. In fact, Madrid had multiple open goal chances that didn't actually end up in a shot. Casemiro's failed pass across goal to Vinicius, Ceballos' open run towards goal, and Benzema's disallowed offside goal saw Madrid accumulate incredibly dangerous chances but no shots. This means that while Real Madrid was technically very dangerous, none of that was reflected in xG!
Obviously scenarios like this reflects the limitations of expected goals. There are several factors that xG could not take into account in these scenarios :

    1. The quality or the form of the goalkeeper faced
    2. Dangerous situations without a shot taken
    3. Situations surrounding the shots taken (number of defenders blocking or pressuring the shot taker)

And many other factors. In reality, we should not take xG at face value and understand football stats on a more granular level by studying other data as well.
By:
Analyst
When: 10 Dec 24 17:05
xG tables are not perfect, but they do to me show teams that have been a bit lucky and ones that have been a bit unlucky so far this season

I use footystats website for them.

We all know that there are teams that say over a few months are in a bit of false position. I tend to look at xG differences for a team that is the difference between what they were expected to score and expected to conceed from the games stats. In a table this is averaged over the season to date.

Example of xG difference = xG scored 1.5 per game minus xG conceeded 1.2 per game = 0.3

Currently Hull's xG difference is -0.04 and Watford's is -0.17 (from Footy Stats website) that is saying this season Hull should be a bit higher in the table than Watford based on the games played so far and how many goals they should have scored and should have conceeded.

To answer the original question this might explain why Hull's price is much shorter than Dragon was expecting based on real table positions and real results to date.
By:
Des Pond
When: 10 Dec 24 20:04
tempted by the 5.1 for Boro against Leeds
By:
The Dragon
When: 10 Dec 24 20:11
tad generous for sure des
By:
Des Pond
When: 10 Dec 24 20:15
1-0 Leeds, strange goal, keeper at fault.
By:
onthehoy
When: 11 Dec 24 12:45
1 winner, 1 loser last night

will try 2 odds against teams tonight
Cardiff @ 2.56
Sheff utd @  2.6


Good Luck All
By:
onthehoy
When: 13 Dec 24 13:14
2 winners from my 4 midweek games gave me a (very) small profit.

A couple of games in Europe to start off my weekend betting

2 short priced selections
Toulouse / Karlsruher  Double @ 2.01

Good Luck All
By:
The Dragon
When: 13 Dec 24 15:20
My top rated teams this weekend are HUDDERSFIELD 17/20 v Lincoln and WALSALL 17/20 v Barrow.

Two singles and a double

GL all
By:
Analyst
When: 13 Dec 24 17:56
BTTS Bonus Betfred Shop Coupon

Fourfolds on games @

Wolves
Brighton
Celtic/Rangers - SLC Final
Salford
Forest

Each fourfold pays 9/1 if it comes up.
By:
colupaul
When: 13 Dec 24 18:11
Pompey for tonight @ 4.1, cheers…
By:
Escapee
When: 13 Dec 24 18:59
Agreed colupaul, Portsmouth look the value at 4.1

I'm on,  G'luck
By:
The Dragon
When: 13 Dec 24 19:28
draw looks the most likely outcome imvho

goodluckall
By:
Escapee
When: 13 Dec 24 19:30
pompey out to 4.5 now

Dunno why Derby are 2.04 to win this, The recent form would not indicate they have a 49% win probability to me.
By:
The Dragon
When: 13 Dec 24 20:29
derby 3-0 wow 29 mins
By:
Escapee
When: 13 Dec 24 20:32
Derby haven't scored in 280 minutes of football and then knock 3 in the space of 15 minutes, funny old game.

I was going to lay 3-0 & 2-0 on my CS challenge thread but got spooked by the last half hour plunge on DerbyCrazy
By:
The Dragon
When: 13 Dec 24 20:40
plunge was spot on -so far
By:
The Dragon
When: 13 Dec 24 21:55
4-0 ft wow
By:
colupaul
When: 13 Dec 24 22:38
Aye ‘wow’ is right Shocked
By:
onthehoy
When: 14 Dec 24 11:32
A winning double on 2 short priced teams last night

another couple of odds on selections from the early games, but I think I’ll stick with singles

Coventry @ 1.75

Magdeburg v Paderborn  OVER 2.5 goals @ 1.83

Good Luck All
By:
onthehoy
When: 14 Dec 24 14:46
Only 1 of my 2 bets in the early games came in, so...

on to the  3pm games

Asian Handicap

Arsenal  -1.50   @  1.84
Newcastle  -1.50   @  1.84
Swansea  +0.25   @   1.72

Over 2.5 goals
Wolves v Ipswich @  1.90
Huddersfield v Lincoln  @  2.32

and a bet on 3 short priced Premier League home teams
Arsenal / Liverpool / Newcastle   TREBLE  @  1.99

Good Luck All
By:
Escapee
When: 14 Dec 24 15:08
Onthehoy, G'luck with your bets.

P.S. how do you get the underline text?
can you type it out using round brackets instead of square brackets so I can see?
many thanks in advance
By:
onthehoy
When: 14 Dec 24 16:03
Escapee, re: applying underline to text - I only post from my laptop so the following may differ if using a mobile device


when you click "post reply",
at the bottom left of the text box that opens you should have 5 buttons appear. you just hightlight your text then click the required box Cool
By:
Analyst
When: 16 Dec 24 14:04
4 from 5 up this weekend on my bet - doubles your money.
By:
onthehoy
When: 18 Dec 24 14:36
I lost out on my Treble @ 1.99 on Liverpool/Newcastle/Arsenal at the weekend

So, I’ve got to have a go on it again in tonight’s cup games, but this time at odds of 3.19

Good Luck All
By:
The Dragon
When: 19 Dec 24 11:28
Good call that OTH very well done
By:
The Dragon
When: 20 Dec 24 12:18
Fulham and Leeds look home Bankers but are both very short (They are my highest rated teams of the weekend)

Others that i like at much better ods are BLACKBURN to win at  Millwall 11/5- Blackburn are on fire currently and have won 6 on the bounce. Millwall are struggling having lost 3 consecutive games and not won in 6.

The other team that looks value is GRIMSBY at 2/1 away to Swindon. Grimsby have very strong away form with 6 wins and 1 draw in their 10 away games this season. Swindon have won 1 in 8 games and have only won 2 of their 9 home games and lie 22dn in the league.

MKDONS and WALSALL also look good in that Div.

GL all whatever you go for
By:
onthehoy
When: 20 Dec 24 14:10
Cheers Dragon, and after my midweek treble I’m hoping for more of the same tonight with another 3 selections
but I’ll not push my luck so will stick with 3 singles

Luton @  2.28
Stockport  @  1.66
+ 1 selection from Germany,  Elversberg @  2.24

Good Luck All
By:
The Dragon
When: 20 Dec 24 15:00
gl OTH and I hope yu have a great xmas

Ive done, Stockport, Huddersfield and Wyconmbe for this evening fixtures- hopefully will pay for weekends selections
By:
kingscrewed
When: 20 Dec 24 19:27
Evening all Luton Derby tonight going for:
Btts @ 2.06
Over 2.5 @ 2.4
1 all @ 7.0

Also backing Sonny Bradley anytime @ 21 and first goalscorer @ 65.
as previously mentioned the rams are a set piece side and Bradley has 2 already this season and is the main target from dead ball situations. He's been on the bench a bit lately for the first time in his season and a half at the club and hopefully will be determined to get on the score sheet.

Gl all
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 20 Dec 24 19:43
Luton game btts and over 2.5
By:
The Dragon
When: 20 Dec 24 19:56
stockport 1 up
By:
The Dragon
When: 20 Dec 24 20:13
huddersfield winnig also
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 20 Dec 24 21:41
Come on Luton one piddly goal Laugh
By:
twoquidew
When: 20 Dec 24 22:10
I need to share something. I backed derby earlier and later the draw..had to deal with something with derby at 1.2.. didn't back Luton ExcitedCryCryCry
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