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Report skullery July 28, 2012 8:40 AM BST
so far i have established that Rangers have been PUNISHED... 10 point deduction ...160k fine..
will move on to the next punishment..

3 years ban from EUROPE  and Rangers punishment losing CL place..
This 3 year rule for liquidation and administration is not set in stone .. this rule is at the discretion  of UEFA  and the SFA

The UEFA administration may, in accordance with Article 4, grant exceptions on
the following matters:
a) Non-applicability of a minimum requirement concerning the decision-making
bodies or process defined in Article 7 due to national law or any other
reason;
b) Non-applicability of a minimum requirement concerning the core process
defined in Article 9 due to national law or any other reason;
c) Non-applicability of a minimum assessment procedure defined in Article 10
due to national law or any other reason;
d) Non-applicability of the three-year rule defined in Article 12(2) in case of
change of legal form or company structure of the licence applicant on a caseby-
case basis;

e) Non-applicability of a certain criterion defined in part II, chapter 3 due to
national law or any other reason;
f) Extension of the introduction period for the implementation of a criterion or a
category of criterion defined in part II, chapter 3.

on the case of Rangers UEFA and the SFA they both have confirmed as PUNISHMENT they will not ask for special disposition.
Rangers attempted to go this route alone , and were refused without SFA backing..
Report mactheknife July 28, 2012 9:04 AM BST
Our co - efficient will probably be adversely affected in the next few years as well with only 1 of our big 2 able to participate in europe.
I think we should start our season a bit earlier in Scotland.
Some of the clubs our teams are drawn against in the preliminary rounds of these competitions are generally well into their seasons by the time the games come round & we find ourselves struggling a wee bit.
Report high_lander July 28, 2012 12:32 PM BST
mr eejit; Thousand of businesses and people go bankrupt every year in the UK, it's what you have to do when it becomes impossible to pay off your debts. The reason sequestration exists is to "escape paying what they owed" as you put it. It's perfectly legal, in fact it's one of the main reasons capitalism actually works. You have to allow businesses and people the opportunity to begin again from scratch - otherwise they will spend the rest of their lives paying off debts that they cannot possibly pay and confine them to poverty for life.

Richard Branson went bankrupt two or three times before he finally became successful. It's part of the system - you try and you fail - you go bankrupt and then you begin again. So stop crying about it - it's just part of running a business in our country. Nothing special about bankruptcy, it happens all the time.
Report Shrewd_dude July 28, 2012 12:42 PM BST
Your not banned from Europe you don't meet the criteria fo entry. Your Scotland's ultimate diddy team. This is not a punishment it applies to all 400 or so associations. You haven't paid the fine because Charlie Chuckles has no money. You have had a 10 point deduction that is your only punishment.

You haven't changed legal form. Rangers have no players, no stadium and are going in to liquidation and Sevco. have just appeared in the last couple of months and don't meet the criteria.
Report charlatan July 28, 2012 1:12 PM BST
Our co - efficient will probably be adversely affected in the next few years as well with only 1 of our big 2 able to participate in europe

surely you mean as only one of your premier league also ran sized two still exists?
Report skullery July 28, 2012 2:37 PM BST
shrewd ...repeating the same thing over and over  does not make your points valid , i have took the time to show facts on here all you come back with are innuendos...you haven't paid the fine because Charlie Chuckles has no money.. seriously is that your only response.

on the case of Rangers UEFA and the SFA they both have confirmed as PUNISHMENT they will not ask for special disposition.. see i can repeat myself as well..
Report skullery July 28, 2012 3:18 PM BST
Rangers still playing at Ibrox ..check
same manager... check
some of the same players ..check

same SFA membership ...CHECK

So when the SFA and UEFA said they would not entertain section(c)rules , the punishment must stand, WHY WOULD THEY SAY THIS IF IT ISNT TRUE
Report Feck N. Eejit July 28, 2012 4:50 PM BST
mr eejit; Thousand of businesses and people go bankrupt every year in the UK, it's what you have to do when it becomes impossible to pay off your debts. The reason sequestration exists is to "escape paying what they owed" as you put it. It's perfectly legal, in fact it's one of the main reasons capitalism actually works. You have to allow businesses and people the opportunity to begin again from scratch - otherwise they will spend the rest of their lives paying off debts that they cannot possibly pay and confine them to poverty for life.

You sound a right tory high_lander. I didn't think we had them in Scotland. Farepak were taking money off people when they already knew they were going bust. When they did go bust the directors got to keep their big houses and their titles. Sound familiar? Rangers 100 mill assets should not have been sold for a song, they should've been sold off to pay their debts.
Report mightymoyes July 28, 2012 5:05 PM BST
the world is pretty f**ked, i wouldnt say 'capitalism actually works'.
Report cocotheclown July 28, 2012 5:17 PM BST
Co-efficient points in europe will as be dependent on how Celtic PLC do now. The other Scottish teams are no more than cannon fodder these days in European competition.
Report Shrewd_dude July 28, 2012 5:24 PM BST
Skull what facts have you shown? You have only been subject to a 10 point deduction as yet as your only punishment. You still don't understand the difference between punishment and a consequence.

Still counting the days until the BIGGEST DERBY IN.......GLASGOW against Queens Park????
Report Seeeebooo!! July 28, 2012 9:04 PM BST
http://www.livescore.com/soccer/scotland/



July 29 

15:05 Brechin City ? - ? Newco Rangers
Report chelters16 July 28, 2012 9:41 PM BST
Lie,deny and deflect Sevco the illegitimate spawn of RFC(IA),Im sure Hector is watching Greene indicating its a Pheonix mmmmmmmmmm.............Police investigation,Dual contract deduction of tainted titles,long cold nights playing in mud etc,this aint the end its only the end of the beginning.
Report mactheknife July 28, 2012 9:54 PM BST
Rangers granted full SFA licence at 11th hour after agreement between club and governing bodies
Jul 27 2012 Exclusive by Gavin Berry

Ally McCoist arrives at Ibrox after SFL vote

Rangers boss Ally McCoist can now focus on preparing his squad for the Ramsdens Cup clash at Brechin
RANGERS have finally been handed full SFA membership just hours before the football season kicks off - but the club will vigorously contest any move by the SPL to strip them of titles.

Ibrox chief executive Charles Green reached a compromise agreement with Scottish football chiefs after another day of tense talks in the long-running saga.

And it resulted in the Light Blues being handed the full licence which gives them the go-ahead to kick off life as a Third Division club starting with Sunday’s Ramsdens Cup first round clash with Brechin City at Glebe Park.

Green had to agree to certain conditions - they are willing to accept a 12-month registration embargo and £160,000 fine - before the situation could be resolved which included signing off the transfer of the old company’s share in the top flight to Dundee which formally take place at an SPL meeting on August 3.

One of the major stumbling blocks during talks has been the SPL’s desire for Rangers to accept being stripped of titles if found guilty of their alleged use of dual contracts between 2001 and 2010.

But while Green has agreed to be liable for any sanctions handed out after the SPL’s investiation into the matter the club are insisting they will fiercely contest any punishment which involves title stripping.

That is now set to be a fight for a later day between Gers and the SPL if the Ibrox club are found guilty. The SPL want to hand over the issue to an independent judicial panel on August 10 to rule on whether the club’s former owners breached regulations with alleged undisclosed payments through the controversial EBT tax avoidance scheme.

But in the meantime Gers boss McCoist can now finally prepare for a match in charge after previously arranged pre-season friendlies had to be cancelled due to the club not having its SFA licence in place.

They now go into Sunday’s historic match at Glebe Park with a wafer-thin squad although former Hearts trio Ian Black, Craig Beattie and Kevin Kyle have all been training at Murray Park and could possibly be listed as trialists.
A statement was issued by the SFL which said: "We are pleased to confirm that agreement has been reached on all outstanding points relating to the transfer of the Scottish FA membership between Rangers FC (In Administration), and Sevco Scotland Ltd, who will be the new owners of The Rangers Football Club.
"A conditional membership will be issued to Sevco Scotland Ltd today, allowing Sunday’s Ramsdens Cup tie against Brechin City to go ahead.
"Following the completion of all legal documentation, the Scottish Premier League will conduct the formal transfer of the league share between RFC (IA) and Dundee FC on no later than Friday 3rd August 2012. At this point, the transfer of Scottish FA membership will be complete.
Key points:
- The Scottish FA has received all necessary information and documentation from Sevco Scotland Ltd, including details of the company structure, shareholders, financial projections and business plan.
- Sevco Scotland Ltd has agreed to accept all conditions relating to RFC (IA)'s charges of bringing the game into disrepute, namely the 12-month transfer embargo, beginning at 0.01a.m on 1st September 2012, and payment of all outstanding fines and costs.
- Sevco Scotland Ltd has agreed to settle all outstanding football debts to other members of the Scottish FA plus clubs under the jurisdiction of other Football Associations.
- The Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League have reached agreement on the purchase of a package of broadcasting rights which will allow the former to include The Rangers FC matches in contracts with broadcast partners.
- The Scottish Premier League has reserved its position in relation to the on-going investigation into EBTs.
Stewart Regan, Chief Executive of the Scottish FA said: “We are pleased for everyone involved in this process, and indeed the whole of Scottish football, that a conclusion has been reached.
“There were a number of complex and challenging issues involved but, primarily, the Scottish FA had to be satisfied that the new owners of Rangers would operate in the best interests of the club, its fans and Scottish football in general.
“We have reached agreement on all terms and conditions attached to the transfer of membership and are able to grant conditional membership, ahead of the formal transfer of the SPL share a week today. This will allow the season to kick-off as planned this weekend and I am sure there will be many who will join me in welcoming the start of the new football season in Scotland.
“This has been a difficult period for Scottish football, but with this agreement now in place, and with the new season upon us, it is essential that we all focus our energies on football once again. In the months ahead, the Scottish FA will resume discussions on the subject of league reconstruction. We remain committed to this process in order to re-energise the national game and will work closely with the SPL, SFL and all other relevant affiliated bodies to provide a dynamic product appealing to our supporters."
Charles Green, Chief Executive of The Rangers Football Club, said: “The agreement signed today allows Rangers to be granted membership by the SFA and finally enables the Club to move forward.
“The Board, the manager and senior executives have been working tirelessly over the last few weeks to secure the future of the Club and today is the start of that process.
“The Board has had to take some very difficult decisions to gain SFA membership, including accepting the delayed transfer ban and paying outstanding financial penalties. But we are now able to get back to playing football and plan for the new season, starting this Sunday with our match against Brechin. 
“There remains, however, an outstanding issue with the SPL regarding EBTs.  As we have proved in the last couple of months we will stand up to any challenges that face Rangers and will continue to fight for the Club’s best interests.”
SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster said: "We are pleased to have reached an agreement with the parties concerned. Discussions will now continue with our broadcast partners and we expect to be in a position to make a further announcement next week on broadcasting rights and the on-going EBT investigation."
Jim Ballantyne, President of the SFL added: "Current events have thrown up some serious challenges to Scottish football and the SFL has played its part in trying to navigate through to a solution in difficult circumstances.
“I am now looking forward to doing what we are actually here to do. To play football.
Report will7o July 28, 2012 10:44 PM BST
we will be back  bigger and stronger
Report footsoldier July 28, 2012 11:10 PM BST
i think if this whole sorry murray inspired saga had came to light a year earlier then rangers would possibly have had a chance to stay in the spl as im sure they would still have had decent support this time last year amongst the football public however i believe it is the obnoxious arrogant attitude of everyone involved in rangers these past 6 months that dont seem to understand what they have done that has united everyone else in football in scotland against them
Report Northofperth July 29, 2012 12:31 AM BST
If newco/sevco qualify from this round of the Ramsdens Cup , do they then have to play all future ties away from home ?
Is the draw only regional in the first round ?
If it's still regional and a club have to travel to Ibrox/Murray Park , do they then get some sort of compensation package for the extra travel/time of journey
I was in Kelty during the week , and the locals were bemoaning the fact that the local Junior team ( Kelty Hearts ) had a match against Newco/Sevco called off because of problems with an SFA license . Could that match have gone ahead if it had been billed as Kelty Hearts  - V - Ibrox XI ( or something like that ) , a fair chance lack of time could sink the prospects of that fixture being played .
Any news on a challenge to Newco/Sevco gaining a place in SFL , by the likes of Spartans FC ? This would be against the SFA and /or the SFL , and not the newly addmitted club .
Report skullery July 29, 2012 1:13 AM BST
Motherwell administration no penalty

northofperh...Any news on a challenge to Newco/Sevco gaining a place in SFL , by the likes of Spartans FC ? This would be against the SFA and /or the SFL , and not the newly addmitted club .
Livingston have been relegated to the Scottish Third Division for breaching league rules on insolvency.....no vote..no penaltys  straight into div3 no mention about other teams like spartons..
Gretna win 3 titles no talk of cheating or stripping tittles



the Hypocrisy in Scotland is pathetic , most of you dont even have the balls to admit its all down to hatred to the most  successful club in Scotland
Report skullery July 29, 2012 1:30 AM BST
Rangers have had more punishment than any other  club in their position ..this is fact
Report notwhatwho July 29, 2012 2:06 AM BST
skully
rangers are no more.
nothing to comment on.
Report breadnbutter July 29, 2012 4:26 AM BST
Rangers are no more in the sphell

Rangers are very much alive ,reports of their death have been  greatly exagerated

let the chocolate internet  soldiers have their say .......cyberspace is the only place they are allowed in .

54 and counting .
Report shudacuda July 29, 2012 4:41 AM BST
Not only are Rangers no more but The Rangers have every chance of going into administration during this season.
Report mactheknife July 29, 2012 9:37 AM BST
They are hoping the Kelty Hearts game will be re-scheduled its a testimonial for one of the Kelty players.
I work with one of the Kelty backroom staff so will keep you up to date.
He actually showed me one of the printed tickets for the match on the day it was called off.  He was naturally upset as he is a Rangers man as well & was looking forward to pitting his wits against Super Ally & co lol.
They had to build temp stands for TV camera`s and the 2500 sell out attendance.
They also had temp corporate facilities available on the day.
Tickets were priced at £5 a head.
Report Dav_vin03 July 29, 2012 10:45 AM BST
Kris boyd was awful and 'heavy' for portland timbers last night.
Report Dr Gonzo July 29, 2012 10:46 AM BST
3 years ban from EUROPE  and Rangers punishment losing CL place..

What a shame that you don't go on to to actually quote Article 12(2)

"Any alteration to the club’s legal form or company structure (including, for example, changing its headquarters, name or club colours, or transferring stakeholdings between different clubs) during this period in order to facilitate its qualification on sporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence to the detriment of the integrity of a competition is deemed as an interruption of membership or contractual relationship (if any) within the meaning of this provision.”

I'd say any sensible person would consider going into liquidation so that a newco can buy the assets on the cheap and wipe out £100m+ in debt is well covered by that, and gives no reason for any exception to the rule.

You are either the thickest person on this forum, or a compulsive liar.
Report thebrave July 29, 2012 10:51 AM BST
gonzo - How do you bet on those two options ConfusedCool
Report skullery July 29, 2012 11:01 AM BST
jesus christ talk about missing the point GONZO ,my point is there shouldnt be an exception to this rule as Rangers are guilty  , hence the reason UEFA and the SFA  both have said in public statements that the PUNISHMENT is just and will not entertain this rule .  my point in the eyes of UEFA its A.................. PUNISHMENT...........

UNTIL THE DECISION ON THE TAX CASE IS MADE , RANGERS DEBT IS NOWHERE NEAR 100M ANOTHER FACT FOR YOU
Report high_lander July 29, 2012 11:14 AM BST
Mr eejit thinks I'm a tory Laugh I am a dyed in the wool socialist you daftie. I was merely pointing out that it's only fair to allow persons or businesses the ability to begin again after running into trouble. The fact that you wouldn't allow that makes you come across like a right Fascist. I suppose a Fascist like you would take people's homes from them and see families out on the street.
Report skullery July 29, 2012 11:14 AM BST
As I see it, anyone who starts name calling has conceded that he/she has lost the debate, and cannot come up with an intelligent response
Report high_lander July 29, 2012 11:17 AM BST
Some people on here don't half like the sound of their own voice.
Report Dr Gonzo July 29, 2012 11:20 AM BST
As I see it, anyone who starts name calling has conceded that he/she has lost the debate

Believe that if it makes you feel better, but the majority of people on here know you're talking sh*te Laugh
Report Dav_vin03 July 29, 2012 11:25 AM BST
disagree dr.gonzo
Report skullery July 29, 2012 11:25 AM BST
it if it wasn't for those pesky facts...
Report charlatan July 29, 2012 11:49 AM BST
'Rangers 100 mill assets should not have been sold for a song, they should've been sold off to pay their debts.'

yes. that's the most confusing part of the whole process for me.
Report skullery July 29, 2012 12:16 PM BST
Have to agree with you Charlatan , , the assets had to be sold as a whole i acknowledge  this  ..
The CVA document suggested Rangers' creditors would get less than £1m if the club were to be liquidated. So the question remains: if another party was prepared to offer, say, £10m, can the Duff & Phelps-Green deal be ripped up? The big question why was this not allowed to happen ,  reports are saying consortiums  have proof THAT DUFF AND PHELPS would not entertain any their bids , it was handed to mr green on a plate , and as you point out to the expense of the creditors ....in my opinion the whole thing stinks
Report benalder_ July 29, 2012 12:23 PM BST
Can anyone please clarify something - do "rangers" the club formed in the 1870's actually still exist or have they officially been killed off yet? Betfair list todays match as Brechin v Rangers while the Daq lists it as Brechin v The rangers FC. Confused
Report skullery July 29, 2012 2:25 PM BST
It would appear Rangers are alive and kicking from the SFL web site  Rangers v Brechin ...

Nickname:The Gers
Ground:Ibrox Stadium
Founded:1873

BBC ..BBC Sport profiles what Rangers can expect in Division Three this coming season

STV..Rangers prepare for Ramsden Cup clash with Brechin City
SKY..Rangers have confirmed the signing of former Hearts
Report Feck N. Eejit July 29, 2012 2:36 PM BST
The assets were sold to Green for next to nothing because he'd almost certainly already struck a deal with Whyte who'd be getting a golden handshake.

high_lander, if a company took money off people when they were already aware they were going out of business (as in the Farepak & Rangers cases) then I'd call that fraud and I'd certainly think it unfair they were allowed to exit with their private wealth intact. Only a tory would disagree.
Report shudacuda July 29, 2012 2:43 PM BST
Green on spouting absolute sh1te again.

Saying this was driven by bigotry and jealousy,everybody lining up to kick a great club when they are down.

The 160k fine and points deduction was enough.

Should have decided on commercial reasons.

What an @ssh ole,STILL IN DENIAL.
Report Feck N. Eejit July 29, 2012 3:08 PM BST
I'm watching this BBC Alba. What colour strips are newco please?
Report Feck N. Eejit July 29, 2012 3:10 PM BST
Newco fans feel a lot closer to their players now. Especially at shys.
Report shudacuda July 29, 2012 3:15 PM BST
SHYS- Showing your age there Feck.

Not heard that for years.
Report Feck N. Eejit July 29, 2012 3:20 PM BST
I'm old shuda but when I posted that I genuinely didn't know it was an old joke Laugh
Report Feck N. Eejit July 29, 2012 3:21 PM BST
Sorry, just realised you're talking about shys v throw ins.
Report cocotheclown July 29, 2012 6:37 PM BST
Have been in touch with the wannabe's and they say if they continue with putting up The Rangers Fc they will also start putting up Celtic PLC1994 Games.


I was surprised they actually replied to me so swiftly.
Report high_lander July 29, 2012 7:57 PM BST
Mr eejit stop pretending you give a sh!t about bankruptcy law and admit that you are a professional Rangers hater. You just want Rangers to die, to cease to exist - which is rather short-sighted of you tbh - think about it who or what are you going to spend the rest of your life hating on if RFC don't exist?
Report breadnbutter July 29, 2012 8:12 PM BST
i see the celtic-Knewco 1994 seethers have came to see  RANGERS  again .

what a sad crew ,no life ,no hope just RANGERS hating .

i reckon it hides a deep seated personality disorder and probably much much more .
Report Feck N. Eejit July 30, 2012 10:16 AM BST
Green is now claiming bigotry was behind newco being unable to start in the spl or D1. What a half-wit. The only way the bigotry card could be claimed was if he thought a hatred of bigotry was behind it all but, if that was the case, they wouldn't even be in D3. The SPL lodge did everything they could to get them into the spl/d1 so he has to be claiming the directors and fans of the other clubs are some kind of church of Rome conspiracy. This  in a country where only around 16% of the population are Catholics.
Report shudacuda July 30, 2012 11:57 AM BST
Another quote from Green yesterday;

Green also risked angering many other SPL and Scottish Football League club's owners and chairmen by predicting that they were in such dire financial trouble that league reconstruction soon would be inevitable. "There will be changes at the top level this year because some of the clubs up there are really, really going to struggle financially with their current debt.

"These companies all file accounts, we can all see where they are in terms of their positions with the banks._ We've not got the debt that any of these clubs have. And, on the last day of the season, I would really enjoy some clever financial analyst looking at the balance sheets and debt-to-equity ratio of every club in Scotland.

=====================================================================================================================



Obviously you don't have the debt of other clubs you moron,cos you have just stolen over a £100 million from taxpayers,other football clubs and small business's.

This man is a ruthless financial capitalist who is now appealing to the lowest denominators in the Rangers support to try and raise capital.

He is in the same league as craig whyte and will do anything to try and save his investment.
Report MTanoraksallaroundme July 30, 2012 1:09 PM BST
the two above posters are the same person imo Sad
Report thebrave July 30, 2012 1:14 PM BST
shuda -  " now appealing to the lowest denominators in the Rangers support "

In your experience, are there any orcs that would wriggle off the hook on this one ConfusedConfused

CoolGrin
Report charlatan July 30, 2012 1:17 PM BST
think about it who or what are you going to spend the rest of your life hating on if RFC don't exist?

i don't think there's a shortage of targets for feck's ire. if rangers died he might have enough time out from fuming for a daily kit kat. Laugh
Report mactheknife July 30, 2012 1:27 PM BST
What would be interesting to know is how many of the 95% of the Aberdeen support that took the trouble to vote & let their club know their feelings on the matter have actually bought season tickets?
It would also be interesting to know how the season ticket sales are going at other SPL clubs compared to previous years?
You would think that there would be a huge increase in season ticket sales given the uproar the fans of other SPL clubs caused in the name of Sporting Integrity.
The fact that a prominent solvent clubs chairman has made a public plea to rally round his club  must be a worrying scenario for other sides in the SPL who do not enjoy the same fiscal position.
Report charlatan July 30, 2012 1:28 PM BST
The only way the bigotry card could be claimed was if he thought a hatred of bigotry was behind it all but, if that was the case, they wouldn't even be in D3. The SPL lodge did everything they could to get them into the spl/d1 so he has to be claiming the directors and fans of the other clubs are some kind of church of Rome conspiracy. This  in a country where only around 16% of the population are Catholics.

yes.
Report shudacuda July 30, 2012 1:42 PM BST
mactheknife

Aberdeen season tickets are already up on last season and considering the dross we have had to watch thats good going.

Now MAC i realise you are pretty fair minded but surely you can see this guy Green is another chancer,only he is more cunning than Whyte.

Mind you its not much of a choice is it.Bomber(show me the deeds)Brown or Green.

I still think Whyte and Ticketus will suddenly re-appear.
Report high_lander July 30, 2012 1:46 PM BST
Charlatan and eejit; Please tell me to whom the Rangers assets should have been sold to and for what purpose? Are you suggesting they should be sold to a company who would knock down the stadium and build blocks of flats and/or a multi-story car park? Do you really believe that would be in the best interest of Scotland and it's taxpayers? The death of a football club that generates millions of pounds to our economy on an ongoing basis.

You are being ridiculous, obviously this is a special circumstance; obviously a huge club like Rangers cannot be allowed to go to the wall - in the same way the banks were not allowed to go to the wall.
Report Feck N. Eejit July 30, 2012 2:14 PM BST
I'd be fairly certain that if they offered those assets to any of Rangers' creditors on the condition that they had to be rented back to Newco there'd be a queue willing to pay a lot more than 1.5 mill.
Report liamcol July 30, 2012 2:14 PM BST
Just saw Green's statement.
"“I think justice has been done. The club were fined 10 points,- Correct, but meaningless, it did not affect their 2nd placeit received an £190,000 fine, it was then put out the SPL,
No it wasn't, they are in the process of being liquidated it was then put down to the Third Division,-No it wasn't, a new club has to apply to the sfl it has had to pay all the Scottish club debts, which wouldn’t normally happen for a newco to be obliged to pay oldco’s debts.- Yes, and a newco should have competed with Spartans, Cove etc. for the league place, maybe that was the price?
Report Alias July 30, 2012 2:30 PM BST
Feck N. Eejit
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The assets were sold to Green for next to nothing because he'd almost certainly already struck a deal with Whyte who'd be getting a golden handshake.

high_lander, if a company took money off people when they were already aware they were going out of business (as in the Farepak & Rangers cases) then I'd call that fraud and I'd certainly think it unfair they were allowed to exit with their private wealth intact. Only a tory would disagree.
...............

I agree Feck, but it's notoriously difficult to prove.

Oh by the way, "SPL lodge".....LaughLaughLaugh
Report liamcol July 30, 2012 2:43 PM BST
sevco away to falkirk in next round, will need to up their game.
Aberdeen have sold out their allocation for Celtic game, encouraging signs.
Report mactheknife July 30, 2012 2:56 PM BST
Shuda: We have Mr Green in charge whether we like it or not, we have to give him a chance as he was the only investor to step forward in our time of need.
I seem to remember the tic support up in arms & full of suspicion when wee Fergus rolled into town all those years ago.
He did a good job for Celtic though some tic fans still harbour ill feeling`s towards him.

Liam : We will be called "The Rangers" by the time the Falkirk tie comes round, I see there are still tickets available for Celtic fans for Saturday`s game v Aberdeen.
Report liamcol July 30, 2012 3:11 PM BST
If you are called "the rangers", just watch out that Hector maybe thinks you are the same company, and will want his 80 mill or so.
Report Feck N. Eejit July 30, 2012 3:21 PM BST
Can't see Celtic fans singing "not by the Hearts, the Hibs or the The Rangers". Better sticking with Newco or Sevco imo.
Report mactheknife July 30, 2012 3:29 PM BST
Hector needs to prove any wrong-doing first, even then, Im not sure if his heart is in it anyway?
Report liamcol July 30, 2012 3:38 PM BST
I think he has already proved it, rangers are appealing it.
Just remember the taxmans 11th commandment, "thou shalt not get away with it".
Report john92 July 30, 2012 3:43 PM BST
In regards to the 10 points, they went from 4 points behind to 14 (I think) which took away any chance they had of another tainted title. The momentum was with Celtic at that point anyway, but that was still a punishment in my view.

10 points seems to work well enough in England, maybe due to leagues being more competitive. Teams still work it to their advantage at times though.

What is the alternative? 20 points? Demotion of places? If Rangers had been demoted to 3rd or 4th then some would still say that made no difference. A fine seems pointless. Transfer embargo?

Discretion in this matter is not an option. Those in charge are gutless and incompetent. If they ever made a decision, they would be accused of bias from one side or other.

There has to be a hard and fast rule for everybody, so what should it be?

This whole episode has shocked me most in regard to liquidation/company law. The new Rangers get the assets while the public and small businesses pick up the tab.

What is going on with the big tax case anyway? It has gone quiet on that front.
Report mactheknife July 30, 2012 3:58 PM BST
If Hector has proved wrong doing when are we to be punished?
He better hurry up as our Charles has big plans for "The Rangers"
Report skullery July 30, 2012 6:39 PM BST
The club were fined 10 points,- Correct, but meaningless, it did not affect their 2nd place ...10 points was the rule all the members of the SPL voted for ..lynch mob  still not happy..

Yes, and a newco should have competed with Spartans, Cove etc. for the league place ...... see this is the Persecution , that Rangers have had to deal with..

Livingston put in div3 ..no outcry leap frogging the likes of spartans
Gretna put in div3     ..no outcry leap frogging the likes of spartans

think the bigotry statement was appeasing  the support .. he wants  those  potential 38000 ST on his side and quick
Report thebrave July 31, 2012 12:28 AM BST
And you truly believe this guy has your best interests at heart ConfusedConfused
Report breadnbutter July 31, 2012 12:35 AM BST
The biggotry statement was spot on and correct .

thats exactly what it was biggotry .

biggotry does not mean secterian .

although  many seem  ignorant of this fact .

its biggoted to think that Charles Greens statement implied that .

Knewco celtic have the most biggoted fans on the plannet and to prove this point i give you

feck ...the most biggoted fake that ever tapped a keyboard ....all ten of him .Cry

so biggoted he does not know the meaning of the term ....Laugh
Report tambhoy5 July 31, 2012 8:06 AM BST
biggoted is as biggoted doesConfused
Report thebrave July 31, 2012 8:45 AM BST
bread - It is barely credible that an adult has written that ShockedCrazy
You have actually made your mate skull seem like Albert phuckin Einstein, and
believe me, that is a quite monumental achievement CoolLaugh
Report Feck N. Eejit July 31, 2012 10:18 AM BST
@rsenbutter, you can't even spell the word.
Report shudacuda July 31, 2012 11:35 AM BST
Just woke up.

Has armeggedon started yet?

The only social unrest round Govan way has been cos of the benefit cuts.
Report Flasharry July 31, 2012 12:10 PM BST
BDO will soon move in once Duff and Duffer kill off RFC. The skulldugarry will come to light and I fully expect custodial sentences on tax evaders who have brought down der hun. Forth Lanarks only history to date is a 2-1 win against the mighty Brechin city.
Report skullery July 31, 2012 6:45 PM BST
example of a bigot....Flash harry BDO will soon move in once Duff and Duffer kill off RFC. The skulldugarry will come to light and I fully expect custodial sentences on tax evaders who have brought down der hun. ..

from.. nilbymouth sectarian...
Report mactheknife July 31, 2012 6:49 PM BST
Does anyone know why the Celtic Chairman accompanied Neil Doncaster to the recent negotiations with SKY?
Report Platini July 31, 2012 6:51 PM BST
so he could clinch the deal for Scottish football.


Job done. 5 year deal. Confirmed.
Report mactheknife July 31, 2012 7:08 PM BST
LAWWELL VOTED ON TO NEW LOOK SFA BOARD
Posted on Tuesday, 19th July 2011 by Joe McHugh
Peter Lawwell has been voted onto the new look Professional Game Board of the SFA brought into force following last month’s AGM which outlined widespread changes in the running of the game.
With the old committee structure blown away two new bodies have been created to look after the professional and the non-professional side of the game.
Lawwell has been voted onto the nine man Professional Game Board which will be chaired by Rod Petrie of Hibs. All of the big hitters in the game are on the board including the Chief Executive’s of the SFA, SPL and SFL in the shape of Stewart Regan, Neil Doncaster and David Longmuir. SFA President Campbell Ogilvie is also on the board.
It is expected that the mysterious working and bizarre punishments of the old regime will be replaced by a new era of transparency and accountability with the presence of Lawwell and others almost certain to ensure that the recommendations of the McLeish Report are followed through.
Rangers recent takeover and boardroom turmoil means that there are no representatives of the Ibrox club involved.
Strangely four members of the Professional board will also sit on the board of the Non Professional Game Board with Regan, Petrie, Ogilvie and Alan McRae enjoying double dunts.

......................................................................

Oh Yes, I remember now.

BTW... Sky only agreed to the 5 year deal when "The Rangers" were confirmed as part of the package.
Report mactheknife July 31, 2012 7:14 PM BST
Aye! "The Masons" are running Scottish football right enoughCrazy
Report Geesyerdosh July 31, 2012 7:22 PM BST
MR GREEN DOESN'T REALISE THE HATRED TOWARDS THAT CLUB KNOWN AS RANGERS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH BIGOTRY


TRY HAVING TO READ AND LISTEN YEAR IN YEAR OUT TO THE LIKES OF TRAYNOR AND YOUNG

HEARING PIISH FROM THE LIKES OF SANDY JARDINE AND NOT A WORD SAID

HEARING SANCTIONS ARE BEING 'NEGOTIATED' WITH NEWCO

SEEING WALTER SMITH WALK OUT ON HIS COUNTRY AND BEING TREATED LIKE A HERO

THERE IS PROBABLY ANOTHER HUNDRED THINGS YOU COULD ADD TO THAT


THAT IS WHY YOUR MOB ARE HATED AND WHY THE HUMILIATION IS ABSOLUTELY 24 CARAT COMEDY GOLD
Report Platini July 31, 2012 7:27 PM BST
why is Ogylvie still there?????????????????????????????????????????????
Report mactheknife July 31, 2012 7:32 PM BST
There did`nt seem to be much hatred up at Brechin on Sunday.
I think we will be welcomed to most of the SFL grounds over the coming years.
Report mactheknife July 31, 2012 7:34 PM BST
Platini • July 31, 2012 7:27 PM BST
why is Ogylvie still there?????????????????????????????????????????????

............................................

Dunno why is he still there? 
Is he anything to do with "The Rangers"?
Report Geesyerdosh July 31, 2012 7:35 PM BST
WITH YOU BEING A NEW CLUB THEY PROBABLY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT YOU Silly
Report mactheknife July 31, 2012 7:44 PM BST
SKY TV will make sure that this NEW CLUB will be well known.
Has this ever happened before?
Cant recall any other football association having to include the lowest div of their game to secure a deal that includes their top tier.
Report Geesyerdosh July 31, 2012 7:51 PM BST
A SKY SPOKESMAN SAID IT SHOWED THEY'RE COMMITTED TO SHIIT BRITISH COMEDY AND WILL BE SHOWING THE THE RANGERS GAMES ON SKY 1 JUST AFTER STARLINGS AND BEFORE TROLLIED
Report mactheknife July 31, 2012 7:55 PM BST
It is just good to know that we are needed even though we are in division 3 with our new friends.
Report mightymoyes July 31, 2012 8:07 PM BST
when are the tax guys gonna get their fingers out and publish findings from the FTT?
Report tambhoy5 July 31, 2012 8:24 PM BST
mactheknife 31 Jul 12 19:32 Joined: 06 May 03 | Topic/replies: 2,965 | Blogger: mactheknife's blog
There did`nt seem to be much hatred up at Brechin on Sunday.
I think we will be welcomed to most of the SFL grounds over the coming years.

what about the pe ado free in div 3 banner.
they couldn't even spell it correctly the knuckle dragging wife beaters.
Report mactheknife July 31, 2012 8:33 PM BST
I thought wee were talking about hatred towards Rangers when I made the reply tammy.
I never saw the banner in question on Subday, Im not sure it is a subject I want to comment on either. I am vaguely aware of what happened all those years ago but I would`nt hold the actions of some against a club or the decent members of its support.
Report charlatan July 31, 2012 10:11 PM BST
Please tell me to whom the Rangers assets should have been sold to and for what purpose?

murray park should have been sold for housing (subject to planning sanity presumably as apartments with no accomodation on the ground floor since they built it on a flood plain judging by the time i walked past) or bought by the council or a private school (or two) or a university and used as a sports facility.

ibrox is more tricky but if it had been up on the market for £2m don't you reckon someone would have found a use for it? if you scrapped the whole thing what would the materials alone be worth, never mind the land that was left over (even if you were just going to stick warehouses or something on it)?

but feck's idea makes more sense as far as ibrox is concerned.
Report charlatan July 31, 2012 10:13 PM BST
obviously a huge club like Rangers cannot be allowed to go to the wall - in the same way the banks were not allowed to go to the wall.

that already happened. it's like they gave all the branches and the head office to a new company for a token million after the government bailed all the savers out.
Report Feck N. Eejit August 1, 2012 9:43 AM BST
Rangers recent takeover and boardroom turmoil means that there are no representatives of the Ibrox club involved.

Who are they trying to kid.
Report shudacuda August 1, 2012 6:17 PM BST
Which European team does Rangers play this week?

I'v forgotten.
Report Shrewd_dude August 1, 2012 7:08 PM BST
Ferry to Peterhead for da berz?
Report lump0n August 3, 2012 7:16 PM BST
they are scotlands shame!!!!
Report Shrewd_dude August 3, 2012 8:19 PM BST
Has Armageddon happened yet?
Report skullery August 4, 2012 7:25 AM BST
looks like you have slept through it Shrewd..  BBC
Rangers have received full membership of the Scottish Football Association, the governing body has confirmed.

The relaunched Ibrox club have obtained the old Rangers' licence to play after the latter headed for liquidation.

Rangers were granted a conditional membership last week which allowed their Ramsdens Cup win at Brechin to go ahead.

Membership was confirmed after Rangers' Scottish Premier League share was given to Dundee.
Report scotbet August 10, 2012 11:29 PM BST
Love some of the crazy people on here
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