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12 Jan 10 17:48
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Report Jazza January 12, 2010 6:09 PM GMT
Yep. I gave it up some months ago because I just can't believe my luck is sooooooooooo bad time after time. I played a system on hilo sidebets when £0 was getting matched except for my bets and you couldn't have made it up. Candy from a baby.
Report BAMDEBAMBAM January 12, 2010 6:12 PM GMT
Sorry to hear of your loss Bill.Everything you say is true that you`ve written.Betfair are robbing people blind as you say.Av lost an absaloute fortune on these games and also as you say,the turning of unwanted cards has been so blatant.It is without doubt Betfair`s money in the "pot" and is them benefiting 100% from the "rigging" of results
Report BAMDEBAMBAM January 12, 2010 6:14 PM GMT
BAM.JAZZ AND BILL.Onwards we march together.Lets eventually get everybody believing in our "fixed" theory and get these games banished....................................................................... HA.................
Report Grunweld January 12, 2010 6:21 PM GMT
Why don't you post some examples of games where you claim the results were fixed.

Otherwise no one will take you seriously or any other members of the CAPS LOCK brigade.
Report BAMDEBAMBAM January 12, 2010 6:28 PM GMT
Here comes the Grumweld.Watch our backs lads he`s in a menacing mood.Think the heating may be off in his Betfair office
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR January 12, 2010 6:48 PM GMT
How low does your IQ have to be to be able to join the " fixed " brigade ?
Maybe a lobotomy helps as a qualification ?
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR January 12, 2010 6:54 PM GMT
Gonna lose another 20 K next week Bill ?
You seem to have unlimited funds at your disposal.
So why not throw away another few grand ?
Methinks you might be a bullsh!tter of the 1st degree.
Either that or you won the lottery sometime past.
There would appear to be no way that a person of your obvious very limited intelligence could ever earn such sums of money normally.
Please surprise us with some sort of intelligent, well worded reply.
Not your usual low class screed.
Report slaxon January 12, 2010 7:00 PM GMT
Things are getting good now...almost as entertaining as eastenders and certainly been running on and on and on for just as long. Yawn. Still, I cant wait to see the creative spelling etc used to form swear words. That there is some **ing awesome **.
Report slaxon January 12, 2010 7:02 PM GMT
they edited f u c k i n g with cabbages?????? Why????
Report newmugpunter January 12, 2010 7:24 PM GMT
i've said it before the games should be called FLUSHEM, its just not real the number of flushes that flaw an obviously red hot fav, I just backed QQ against 77 52 78 and no obvious flush
flop brough a Queen with 2 diamonds , low and behold 2 more diamonds followed to match the flaming 2, typical of a rigged hand.
Report newmugpunter January 12, 2010 7:36 PM GMT
and to cap it all some of the runs that it forms , 26 and it suddenly finds 345 , no way, RIGGED.
Report newmugpunter January 12, 2010 7:40 PM GMT
or have u ever seen the way it weaves the cards, example 77 8J Q9 A2

you will see lots of 10 J K but none of the others , RIGGED, not possible really
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR January 12, 2010 7:52 PM GMT
And can I ask new mug /
Are you an expert on the technicalities of random number generators and the output therefrom ?
I repeat that if you observe these games objectively from a long term viewpoint, the numbers generated conform absulutely perfectly within normal variances for random distributions.
All you fixed brigade are totally biased by the negative results to you o your short term playing experiences.
Either start to understand this or give up playing as you are, that is virtually trying to come out ahead every short time you bother to play, or just play for fun.
Your unintelligent observations of what did or did not happen to you are of no real interest or import to anyone.
They just reveal you for the simpletons you apparently are and, furthermore, just bore the pants of evryone on here who has a shred of intelligence or mathematical aptitude.
Not that you probably care either way. That's just the way you are seemingly.
Report slaxon January 12, 2010 7:56 PM GMT
Why isnt it possible? No hands are ever folded, I am not much of a poker player but my best ever hands often come from when I have posted the blind and checked a weak hand which has then gone on to be a full house or a straight, hands I would have always folded otherwise. Likewise I've lost quite a few times to new players that stay in the game no matter what hand they have been dealt and hit 3 of a kind off a pair of 2's etc. Do you think in a game where no hand is folded that the favourite at pre flop should always win?
Report Grunweld January 12, 2010 8:13 PM GMT
Exactlly correct slaxon. All of the x-holdem fixed brigade seem to think the odds should be the same as real holdem and reflect the frequency of winning hands in that game. They can't seem to grasp that in x-holdem every hand will be played to a final conclusion, unless it is an inevitable loser.
Report Benni Blonko January 12, 2010 8:28 PM GMT
I cant believe you guys have the same re-occuring conversations week in week out. And Bill which game do you play and what do you bet???
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR January 12, 2010 8:39 PM GMT
Why Benni ?
Want to go up against him head to head ?.
Sounds as if it could be a potentially profitable opportunity, I must admit.
The guy's obviously a simpleton. Maybe a rich one , but no difference really. You're not going to learn anything useful at all from what he says or does. He's a loser that's for sure, if nothing else.
Save your sympathies and goodwill fora more desreving cases than than this foul mouthed idiot.
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR January 12, 2010 8:43 PM GMT
Btw all these posters Bambam, Kenny D, Bill S, theer fixed etc etc are all probably the same person.
There is only one "**" poster on here who is worth the time of day and that is Jazza, simply because he shows some wit and erudition.
The rest are all time wasters and plonkers and not worth the time of anybody's day..
Report Benni Blonko January 12, 2010 8:44 PM GMT
Botty speak when YOU are spoken to :-)
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR January 12, 2010 8:45 PM GMT
Sorry forgot to add imo, of course.
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR January 12, 2010 8:46 PM GMT
But I've been sent to Coventry many times by you lot haven't I ?
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR January 12, 2010 8:49 PM GMT
You may think I'm Botty but alas I'm not.
I will admit that he was someone I had a lot of time for .
He spoke the blunt truth, as I try to do but nowhere near as brutally as he did.
He is sorely missed by me at least.
Someone I could read without tearing my hair out.
Report Benni Blonko January 12, 2010 9:50 PM GMT
Paranoia Frog Hair???
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR January 12, 2010 9:53 PM GMT
No that's Jazza.
Reds under the beds and all that for him.
Report nzbot January 13, 2010 8:16 AM GMT
BILLSHANKLYISTHEREALGOD, could you please post your betting history! I would like to take a look at the games you played.
Report Tsoccerskills January 13, 2010 12:04 PM GMT
all you gamblers that lose money on exchange games then say its fake u will never make money on betfair, lol, your very weak mentally!!!
And i played the reall poker, and trust me the cards ive folded sometimes, i really regret ever folding them as they would have won, with the very last card!
Report nzbot January 14, 2010 4:52 PM GMT
BILLSHANKLYISTHEREALGOD, please post the results of your betting activities. Then we could analyze your bets.
Report Celt82 January 17, 2010 10:23 AM GMT
Yea cry baby bill, post your results please? Or else f0000k off.
lol just joking stay,you make me feel intelligent.
Report Jazza January 17, 2010 1:32 PM GMT
Report The Night Watchman January 17, 2010 4:27 PM GMT
a pleasing fred
Report Sonicthehedehog January 18, 2010 1:45 PM GMT
Bill keep them to yourself mate.You have fook all to prove to them.You say you`ve lost that amount and wether you have or you haven`t (i believe ye) it has fook all to do nwith them.I myself have lost a small fotune on this $hit and am now convinced there fixed.Good luck Bill
Report Celt82 January 18, 2010 4:08 PM GMT
It is to do with us OK

Report Celt82 January 18, 2010 4:09 PM GMT
Now keep your opinion to yourself.
Report Celt82 January 18, 2010 4:09 PM GMT
Report whoknewwhatyouknew January 19, 2010 12:39 PM GMT
It still amazes me that a man of your intelligence actually has 20k.
Report XGAMESAREFIXED January 19, 2010 3:36 PM GMT
Celt,you should be on stage
Report XGAMESAREFIXED January 19, 2010 3:37 PM GMT
In a Afghan Theatre draped in an American flag you tit
Report unionjack January 19, 2010 8:37 PM GMT
The British will get you in the end, son.
Report Celt82 January 25, 2010 12:10 PM GMT
Celt,you should be on stage

Thanks buddy , Iv got a few gigs at the weekend.

Good luck
Report XGAMESAREFIXED January 25, 2010 2:46 PM GMT
Am sure ye av.Your hilairious.HA HA HA HA HA HA my sides split every time you post
Report 2ndivftwinsOKsowekilledour1st January 25, 2010 3:30 PM GMT
There is absolutely no way these games can be fixed and I'll tell you why
under various ids ive lost more than £100,000 on the xchanges in the last 6months ...but Ive won a lot more than a £100,000 (and lost that too through sheer greed!)

on one day I went from 12k down to 2k then back up to 20k on xbj & xpoker, so how can they possibly be fixed? its impossible.ok I promptly lost the lot getting greedy.
another day lost 10k on a single bj game, stupidly chasing
I knew the risks and dived in anyway

the hardest thing is to face up to one's own greed and stupidity
the easiest thing is to blame Betfair
Report Grunweld January 25, 2010 4:08 PM GMT
2ndivftwinsOKsowekilledour1st 25 Jan 16:30
There is absolutely no way these games can be fixed and I'll tell you why
under various ids ive lost more than £100,000

Time to call Guinness book of records, methinks.
Report Jazza January 25, 2010 4:28 PM GMT
and I thought I had a gambling problem putting £50 on a game of football.............fknell
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR January 25, 2010 6:32 PM GMT
The only thing these claims ( if true) prove is that this poster is either the biggest fool or the biggest bullsh!tter in the games.
One or t'other.
Report Benni Blonko January 26, 2010 5:17 PM GMT
FAFH...I would bet the dead heat on this chap being an equal combination of both! ;-)
Report steve bywaters January 26, 2010 5:29 PM GMT
you seem more upset than he is
he's enjoyed himself playing so good luck to him

and with money to burn like that he's just a lot richer than you are
which makes him smarter than you! lol
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR January 26, 2010 8:34 PM GMT
Your hero Steve ?
Report BAMDEBAMBAM January 26, 2010 9:50 PM GMT
FAFH You seem a very jealous man.So what if people lose alot of money.If thats what people claim (myself included) you can`t prove otherwise.Why are you obsessed with shouting people down.Stick to whatever you do and stop worrying about other peoples losses or whether they think its fixed or not.Jealousy gets you nowhere you numpty
Report Celt82 January 26, 2010 10:38 PM GMT
Am sure ye av.Your hilairious.HA HA HA HA HA HA my sides split every time you post

Sorry about your sides buddy,I am just a funny b0stard sometimes,I cant help it,sorry. Anyway good luck you easily amused moron, hahahaha,just joking buddy.
Report Celt82 January 26, 2010 10:45 PM GMT

What is pink & fluffy?
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR January 27, 2010 12:33 AM GMT
Bamdebam etc
So you think I'm jealous of losers then ?
That's an interesting concept.
Actualy I would be jealous of a winner or two tbh.
Report Celt82 January 27, 2010 2:29 AM GMT
LOST 20K IN A WEEK AND.................................

Funniest thing I have read this month, thanks for the laugh mate.
Report Tsoccerskills January 27, 2010 8:42 AM GMT
to steve bywaters, if u think losing 20K is smart then u have a long way to go, and to Bamdebam u say "so what if people lose lots of money" well why the hell u on here moaning about it, get a life!
Report Celt82 January 27, 2010 3:46 PM GMT
steve bywaters 26 Jan 18:29

and with money to burn like that he's just a lot richer than you are
which makes him smarter than you! lol

What are you a 5 year old, pmsl, explain please?
Report Celt82 January 27, 2010 5:58 PM GMT
LOST 20K IN A WEEK AND.................................

I am still laughing , lol.
Report Jazza January 27, 2010 6:29 PM GMT
Strange sense of humour
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR January 27, 2010 7:54 PM GMT
Not really if you think about it.
The poster obviously is a complete** for advertising his stupidity on here in the first place.
To try to disguise his post as some sort of proof that the games are straight is an insult to our collective intelligence.
BF will always love this type of idiotic, out of control gambler.
They will always shoot themselves in the foot without any outside interference required ever.
The really disturbing thing though is that apparently some on here appear to have some sort of empathy with him/her.
Now that really is sad and not funny in the slightest.
Report Celt82 January 27, 2010 8:09 PM GMT
Jazza 27 Jan 19:29
Strange sense of humour

I do my best buddy. Thanks.
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR January 27, 2010 8:29 PM GMT
Not good enough Celt.
Must try harder.
Report awaydays December 13, 2012 8:08 AM GMT
Report Bruce Willis December 13, 2012 11:12 PM GMT
Won 20k last week
Games are sooo good!
Report Jazza December 15, 2012 6:02 PM GMT
Enjoy HILO. Most of the time it's just you against BF, so expect a rough ride. Bad luck does not come near describing it. But one thing it will do is leave you in no doubt, which will save you money in the long term, unless you like giving away your money.
Report Jazza December 15, 2012 11:33 PM GMT
Bruce, how much did you lose the week before?
Report Noaxetogrind December 23, 2012 12:34 PM GMT
You guys ever been to a Casino.... they're in business cos life sucks !!!
Report Noaxetogrind December 23, 2012 12:34 PM GMT
You guys ever been to a Casino.... they're in business cos life sucks !!!
Report Jazza March 7, 2013 7:11 PM GMT
100% NOT random. One big con.
Report seanm882 May 19, 2013 1:19 PM BST
if you had 20 grand,why are you on here trying to win more.if i had that much,i would be elsewhere squandering it lol.
Report Skiathos May 23, 2013 10:48 PM BST
Think these games are great
Report Jazza May 24, 2013 2:47 PM BST
I think they are great too.
As long as you don't play them.
I haven't touched them for about 2 months and never will again.
Never had so much money.
Never felt cleaner.
Best decision I've made for a long long time.
Report AlwaysTravellingBest May 24, 2013 8:23 PM BST
WD Jazza...finally!CrazyWhoops
Report Jazza May 29, 2013 7:40 PM BST
Report One footed pony July 16, 2013 7:25 PM BST
They must be **** to catch out the pros.
Otherwise they'ld take it to the cleaners, everytime.
No harm in a bit of fun now and again mind.
Report Heeeere's Johnny August 12, 2013 7:01 PM BST
They must be **** to catch out the pros.
Otherwise they'ld take it to the cleaners, everytime.

No need to fix a 101% market.  Its mathematically impossible for anyone to "take it to the cleaners".
Report Jazza August 16, 2013 3:24 PM BST
No need to fix a 101% market.

What if you want more than 1%?
Report Heeeere's Johnny August 19, 2013 3:48 PM BST
What if you want more than 1%?

Recycle your stake 100 times and on average the house will take it all - there isn't any "more than" that for them to have.

Besides, if people are queueing outside your shop to spunk their life savings away, you don't employ someone to mug them on the way in Crazy
Report Jazza August 21, 2013 6:53 PM BST
Ha! Recycle 100 times. I rarely was given such a chance. Gone long before that. I will never change my opinion of these games.......but more importantly will never touch them again.
Report iprefertolay June 29, 2014 11:36 PM BST
I will add my tuppance to the debate.Betfair has no need to rig the games it makes money regardless,why jeaperdise it.
If your losing on the games and it upsets you dont play them.
Why come on the forum bleeting over loses?
Its took me all my life trying to find how to win gambling.
I found the solution three years ago.
Obviously im not going to divulge it.
There is no magic formula and no substitute for hard work.
The answer for winning is to get an edge,however small.....then your on your way.
Moaning doesnt wash with me.
Report Jazza July 13, 2014 3:27 PM BST
Well said. I hate moaning minnies. Especially when they use a forum to do it. The forum is for positive posts only, isn't it?
Report dreambrother09 October 18, 2014 6:14 PM BST
Incase anybody is interested in a brief live chat I had on the matter: 

Marcus: Hello welcome to Betfair you are chatting with Marcus. How can I help?
Lee Tyler: Hi Marcus, I just emailed an old Betfair help address and received the auto response confirming it was out of use. May I copy and paste the email to you rather than re-typing my query?
Marcus: Hello there Lee, good afternoon to you.
Marcus: Sure you can do so I'll do my best to help.
Lee Tyler: Hello,

I am a long term customer of Betfair and I am writing to ask a couple of questions about your exchange games and in particular your Hi-Lo game (although I assume there is a similar model with all the games).

First of all, is ALL of the money involved in the Hi-Lo game that of Betfair customers? That is to say, is there any of Betfair's or Betfair's affiliates money involved in the market?

Further, the result of any "turn of the card", is this 100% entirely at random, completely irrespective of the weight of money to be gained or lost by any party involved in the market and irrespective of time of day or night?

Thank you in advance for this information, as I'm sure you will understand I'll be more comfortable risking money on a market that I fully understand.

Lee Tyler.
Marcus: That's not a problem Lee, I can answer your questions here.
Lee Tyler: Great thank you
Marcus: So yes in the Exchange games you are playing against other player not against betfair, and there are no affiliates asscosiated with the games what so ever.
Marcus: All our games use a Random Number Generator and any Random Card that needs to be chosen or picked is done using this system.
Lee Tyler: Ok cool, so with that in mind, the same card would be drawn irrespective of whether there was 50p or £500,000 to be gained or lost on a card?
Marcus: That's right the weight of the money does not make a difference.
Lee Tyler: Ok thats great, that's all I needed to know really so thanks for your help
Report conkian December 4, 2014 7:26 PM GMT
that's the biggest load of bollocks I have ever heard from Marcus lying through his fuccking teeth the games are bent and if I could prove it I would well betfair finally won ont play on the fucckers anymore
Report TOTGA May 13, 2015 12:18 PM BST
After a lot of trial and error, I now believe I know what iprefertolay is up to, and I'm doing the same.
Report jazza100 May 14, 2015 10:03 PM BST
Me too
Report charliefarleypuddingandpie October 17, 2015 4:19 PM BST
me three
Report One footed pony November 20, 2015 3:37 PM GMT
If you want a tip, don't play for too long.
You're not going to win every day.
The losses add up if you chase a red.
Remember a small red is better than a big one.
Give it up if things start going against you.
It's the only way to win in the long run.

Yep next Plain
Report jazza100 November 22, 2015 6:43 PM GMT
An even better tip would be don't play them at all
the odds are below value
you pay commission for the pleasure of losing
BF put money into the markets
BF can see all bets
BF choose the cards
It's difficult to win
It's very very easy to lose
Report One footed pony December 15, 2015 7:12 PM GMT
The games do sometimes feel like they are running away from you jazza100 that is true.

Yep next Plain
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