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Yep. I gave it up some months ago because I just can't believe my luck is sooooooooooo bad time after time. I played a system on hilo sidebets when £0 was getting matched except for my bets and you couldn't have made it up. Candy from a baby.

Sorry to hear of your loss Bill.Everything you say is true that you`ve written.Betfair are robbing people blind as you say.Av lost an absaloute fortune on these games and also as you say,the turning of unwanted cards has been so blatant.It is without doubt Betfair`s money in the "pot" and is them benefiting 100% from the "rigging" of results

BAM.JAZZ AND BILL.Onwards we march together.Lets eventually get everybody believing in our "fixed" theory and get these games banished....................................................................... HA.................

Why don't you post some examples of games where you claim the results were fixed.

Otherwise no one will take you seriously or any other members of the CAPS LOCK brigade.

Here comes the Grumweld.Watch our backs lads he`s in a menacing mood.Think the heating may be off in his Betfair office

How low does your IQ have to be to be able to join the " fixed " brigade ?
Maybe a lobotomy helps as a qualification ?

Gonna lose another 20 K next week Bill ?
You seem to have unlimited funds at your disposal.
So why not throw away another few grand ?
Methinks you might be a bullsh!tter of the 1st degree.
Either that or you won the lottery sometime past.
There would appear to be no way that a person of your obvious very limited intelligence could ever earn such sums of money normally.
Please surprise us with some sort of intelligent, well worded reply.
Not your usual low class screed.

Things are getting good now...almost as entertaining as eastenders and certainly been running on and on and on for just as long. Yawn. Still, I cant wait to see the creative spelling etc used to form swear words. That there is some **ing awesome **.

they edited f u c k i n g with cabbages?????? Why????

i've said it before the games should be called FLUSHEM, its just not real the number of flushes that flaw an obviously red hot fav, I just backed QQ against 77 52 78 and no obvious flush
flop brough a Queen with 2 diamonds , low and behold 2 more diamonds followed to match the flaming 2, typical of a rigged hand.

and to cap it all some of the runs that it forms , 26 and it suddenly finds 345 , no way, RIGGED.

or have u ever seen the way it weaves the cards, example 77 8J Q9 A2

you will see lots of 10 J K but none of the others , RIGGED, not possible really

And can I ask new mug /
Are you an expert on the technicalities of random number generators and the output therefrom ?
I repeat that if you observe these games objectively from a long term viewpoint, the numbers generated conform absulutely perfectly within normal variances for random distributions.
All you fixed brigade are totally biased by the negative results to you o your short term playing experiences.
Either start to understand this or give up playing as you are, that is virtually trying to come out ahead every short time you bother to play, or just play for fun.
Your unintelligent observations of what did or did not happen to you are of no real interest or import to anyone.
They just reveal you for the simpletons you apparently are and, furthermore, just bore the pants of evryone on here who has a shred of intelligence or mathematical aptitude.
Not that you probably care either way. That's just the way you are seemingly.

Why isnt it possible? No hands are ever folded, I am not much of a poker player but my best ever hands often come from when I have posted the blind and checked a weak hand which has then gone on to be a full house or a straight, hands I would have always folded otherwise. Likewise I've lost quite a few times to new players that stay in the game no matter what hand they have been dealt and hit 3 of a kind off a pair of 2's etc. Do you think in a game where no hand is folded that the favourite at pre flop should always win?

Exactlly correct slaxon. All of the x-holdem fixed brigade seem to think the odds should be the same as real holdem and reflect the frequency of winning hands in that game. They can't seem to grasp that in x-holdem every hand will be played to a final conclusion, unless it is an inevitable loser.

I cant believe you guys have the same re-occuring conversations week in week out. And Bill which game do you play and what do you bet???

Why Benni ?
Want to go up against him head to head ?.
Sounds as if it could be a potentially profitable opportunity, I must admit.
The guy's obviously a simpleton. Maybe a rich one , but no difference really. You're not going to learn anything useful at all from what he says or does. He's a loser that's for sure, if nothing else.
Save your sympathies and goodwill fora more desreving cases than than this foul mouthed idiot.

Btw all these posters Bambam, Kenny D, Bill S, theer fixed etc etc are all probably the same person.
There is only one "**" poster on here who is worth the time of day and that is Jazza, simply because he shows some wit and erudition.
The rest are all time wasters and plonkers and not worth the time of anybody's day..

Botty speak when YOU are spoken to :-)

Sorry forgot to add imo, of course.

But I've been sent to Coventry many times by you lot haven't I ?

You may think I'm Botty but alas I'm not.
I will admit that he was someone I had a lot of time for .
He spoke the blunt truth, as I try to do but nowhere near as brutally as he did.
He is sorely missed by me at least.
Someone I could read without tearing my hair out.

Paranoia Frog Hair???

No that's Jazza.
Reds under the beds and all that for him.

BILLSHANKLYISTHEREALGOD, could you please post your betting history! I would like to take a look at the games you played.

all you gamblers that lose money on exchange games then say its fake u will never make money on betfair, lol, your very weak mentally!!!
And i played the reall poker, and trust me the cards ive folded sometimes, i really regret ever folding them as they would have won, with the very last card!

BILLSHANKLYISTHEREALGOD, please post the results of your betting activities. Then we could analyze your bets.

Yea cry baby bill, post your results please? Or else f0000k off.
lol just joking stay,you make me feel intelligent.

Wow!

a pleasing fred

Bill keep them to yourself mate.You have fook all to prove to them.You say you`ve lost that amount and wether you have or you haven`t (i believe ye) it has fook all to do nwith them.I myself have lost a small fotune on this $hit and am now convinced there fixed.Good luck Bill

It is to do with us OK

lol

Now keep your opinion to yourself.

:)

It still amazes me that a man of your intelligence actually has 20k.

Celt,you should be on stage

In a Afghan Theatre draped in an American flag you tit

The British will get you in the end, son.

XGAMESAREFIXED 19 Jan 16:36
Celt,you should be on stage

Thanks buddy , Iv got a few gigs at the weekend.

Good luck

Am sure ye av.Your hilairious.HA HA HA HA HA HA my sides split every time you post

There is absolutely no way these games can be fixed and I'll tell you why
under various ids ive lost more than £100,000 on the xchanges in the last 6months ...but Ive won a lot more than a £100,000 (and lost that too through sheer greed!)


on one day I went from 12k down to 2k then back up to 20k on xbj & xpoker, so how can they possibly be fixed? its impossible.ok I promptly lost the lot getting greedy.
another day lost 10k on a single bj game, stupidly chasing
I knew the risks and dived in anyway


the hardest thing is to face up to one's own greed and stupidity
the easiest thing is to blame Betfair

2ndivftwinsOKsowekilledour1st 25 Jan 16:30
There is absolutely no way these games can be fixed and I'll tell you why
under various ids ive lost more than £100,000

Time to call Guinness book of records, methinks.

and I thought I had a gambling problem putting £50 on a game of football.............fknell

The only thing these claims ( if true) prove is that this poster is either the biggest fool or the biggest bullsh!tter in the games.
One or t'other.

FAFH...I would bet the dead heat on this chap being an equal combination of both! ;-)

you seem more upset than he is
he's enjoyed himself playing so good luck to him

and with money to burn like that he's just a lot richer than you are
which makes him smarter than you! lol

Your hero Steve ?

FAFH You seem a very jealous man.So what if people lose alot of money.If thats what people claim (myself included) you can`t prove otherwise.Why are you obsessed with shouting people down.Stick to whatever you do and stop worrying about other peoples losses or whether they think its fixed or not.Jealousy gets you nowhere you numpty

XGAMESAREFIXED 25 Jan 15:46
Am sure ye av.Your hilairious.HA HA HA HA HA HA my sides split every time you post

Sorry about your sides buddy,I am just a funny b0stard sometimes,I cant help it,sorry. Anyway good luck you easily amused moron, hahahaha,just joking buddy.

@ XGAMESAREFIXED

What is pink & fluffy?

Bamdebam etc
So you think I'm jealous of losers then ?
That's an interesting concept.
Actualy I would be jealous of a winner or two tbh.

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Funniest thing I have read this month, thanks for the laugh mate.

to steve bywaters, if u think losing 20K is smart then u have a long way to go, and to Bamdebam u say "so what if people lose lots of money" well why the hell u on here moaning about it, get a life!

steve bywaters 26 Jan 18:29


and with money to burn like that he's just a lot richer than you are
which makes him smarter than you! lol

What are you a 5 year old, pmsl, explain please?

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I am still laughing , lol.

Strange sense of humour

Not really if you think about it.
The poster obviously is a complete** for advertising his stupidity on here in the first place.
To try to disguise his post as some sort of proof that the games are straight is an insult to our collective intelligence.
BF will always love this type of idiotic, out of control gambler.
They will always shoot themselves in the foot without any outside interference required ever.
The really disturbing thing though is that apparently some on here appear to have some sort of empathy with him/her.
Now that really is sad and not funny in the slightest.

Jazza 27 Jan 19:29
Strange sense of humour

I do my best buddy. Thanks.

Not good enough Celt.
Must try harder.

F I X E D

Won 20k last week
Games are sooo good!

Enjoy HILO. Most of the time it's just you against BF, so expect a rough ride. Bad luck does not come near describing it. But one thing it will do is leave you in no doubt, which will save you money in the long term, unless you like giving away your money.

Bruce, how much did you lose the week before?

You guys ever been to a Casino.... they're in business cos life sucks !!!

You guys ever been to a Casino.... they're in business cos life sucks !!!

100% NOT random. One big con.

if you had 20 grand,why are you on here trying to win more.if i had that much,i would be elsewhere squandering it lol.

Think these games are great

I think they are great too.
As long as you don't play them.
I haven't touched them for about 2 months and never will again.
Never had so much money.
Never felt cleaner.
Best decision I've made for a long long time.

WD Jazza...finally!

Indeed............cheers.

They must be **** to catch out the pros.
Otherwise they'ld take it to the cleaners, everytime.
No harm in a bit of fun now and again mind.
Next.

They must be **** to catch out the pros.
Otherwise they'ld take it to the cleaners, everytime.

No need to fix a 101% market.  Its mathematically impossible for anyone to "take it to the cleaners".

No need to fix a 101% market.

What if you want more than 1%?

What if you want more than 1%?

Recycle your stake 100 times and on average the house will take it all - there isn't any "more than" that for them to have.

Besides, if people are queueing outside your shop to spunk their life savings away, you don't employ someone to mug them on the way in

Ha! Recycle 100 times. I rarely was given such a chance. Gone long before that. I will never change my opinion of these games.......but more importantly will never touch them again.

I will add my tuppance to the debate.Betfair has no need to rig the games it makes money regardless,why jeaperdise it.
If your losing on the games and it upsets you dont play them.
Why come on the forum bleeting over loses?
Its took me all my life trying to find how to win gambling.
I found the solution three years ago.
Obviously im not going to divulge it.
There is no magic formula and no substitute for hard work.
The answer for winning is to get an edge,however small.....then your on your way.
Moaning doesnt wash with me.

Well said. I hate moaning minnies. Especially when they use a forum to do it. The forum is for positive posts only, isn't it?

Incase anybody is interested in a brief live chat I had on the matter: 

Marcus: Hello welcome to Betfair you are chatting with Marcus. How can I help?
Lee Tyler: Hi Marcus, I just emailed an old Betfair help address and received the auto response confirming it was out of use. May I copy and paste the email to you rather than re-typing my query?
Marcus: Hello there Lee, good afternoon to you.
Marcus: Sure you can do so I'll do my best to help.
Lee Tyler: Hello,

I am a long term customer of Betfair and I am writing to ask a couple of questions about your exchange games and in particular your Hi-Lo game (although I assume there is a similar model with all the games).

First of all, is ALL of the money involved in the Hi-Lo game that of Betfair customers? That is to say, is there any of Betfair's or Betfair's affiliates money involved in the market?

Further, the result of any "turn of the card", is this 100% entirely at random, completely irrespective of the weight of money to be gained or lost by any party involved in the market and irrespective of time of day or night?

Thank you in advance for this information, as I'm sure you will understand I'll be more comfortable risking money on a market that I fully understand.

Lee Tyler.
Marcus: That's not a problem Lee, I can answer your questions here.
Lee Tyler: Great thank you
Marcus: So yes in the Exchange games you are playing against other player not against betfair, and there are no affiliates asscosiated with the games what so ever.
Marcus: All our games use a Random Number Generator and any Random Card that needs to be chosen or picked is done using this system.
Lee Tyler: Ok cool, so with that in mind, the same card would be drawn irrespective of whether there was 50p or £500,000 to be gained or lost on a card?
Marcus: That's right the weight of the money does not make a difference.
Lee Tyler: Ok thats great, that's all I needed to know really so thanks for your help

that's the biggest load of bollocks I have ever heard from Marcus lying through his fuccking teeth the games are bent and if I could prove it I would well betfair finally won ont play on the fucckers anymore

After a lot of trial and error, I now believe I know what iprefertolay is up to, and I'm doing the same.

Me too

me three

If you want a tip, don't play for too long.
You're not going to win every day.
The losses add up if you chase a red.
Remember a small red is better than a big one.
Give it up if things start going against you.
It's the only way to win in the long run.

Yep next

An even better tip would be don't play them at all
the odds are below value
you pay commission for the pleasure of losing
BF put money into the markets
BF can see all bets
BF choose the cards
It's difficult to win
It's very very easy to lose

The games do sometimes feel like they are running away from you jazza100 that is true.

Yep next