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sunshine1
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At this stage it looks like a fair start with hopefully not to much time lost on Thu-Fri, but thereafter a lot of luck is going to be needed if we're to avoid some lengthy interruptions imo.... if nothing else, it should keep things interesting tho.Excited
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Report barstool June 21, 2022 6:58 PM BST
Might be worth giving Parkinson a game with the series won.

Not much to be gained by  picking Leach again.
Report barstool June 23, 2022 10:44 AM BST
See they have gone with Leach.

Lost the toss, Kiwis bat.

Could be 400+
Report layingisthewayforward June 23, 2022 2:12 PM BST
Loads of time lost on Friday on the forecast that I'm looking at.
Report barstool June 23, 2022 2:24 PM BST
Solid bowling performance from England.
Report Rigsby June 23, 2022 8:43 PM BST
Thunderstorms forecast for tomorrow, lunchtime-ish onwards according to yorkshire evening post website
Report Aptdemon June 24, 2022 12:16 PM BST
Bounce and spin on morning day two, very few overs susceptible to forecast & England's insanely aggressive approach - draw lay is dreamy at 2.3x
Report Aptdemon June 24, 2022 2:01 PM BST
Slightly strange (and annoying as I'd have taken a 'proper' price at 12:15pm)...

Sportsbook had England & NZ double chance at 4/9 when the draw was priced at 5/4.

Sportsbook have England & NZ double chance at 4/9 with the draw priced at 2/1!
Report Aptdemon June 24, 2022 2:05 PM BST
ENG & NZ 4/9, Draw 12/5...
Report Aptdemon June 24, 2022 2:21 PM BST
Eng & NZ 4/9, Draw 3/1...
Report Aptdemon June 24, 2022 2:23 PM BST
Double Chance guys might've joined the picket, good on 'em.
Report Aptdemon June 24, 2022 2:26 PM BST
Didn't dare arb too heavily on DC in case stake wasn't matched but momentary free money there from the bookie...
Report brentford June 24, 2022 2:30 PM BST
unusual to see Crawley out to a big drive early in his innings ...Mischief

well played apt' btw on your draw lay.
Report Aptdemon June 24, 2022 2:32 PM BST
Ha - re. Crawley Shocked

Even if he connected looked like that was going skyward
Report Aptdemon June 24, 2022 2:37 PM BST
Gonna be an interesting hour 'til tea now Crazy
Report brentford June 24, 2022 2:57 PM BST
Wagner v these 2 certainly worth a watch...
Report brentford June 24, 2022 2:58 PM BST
brave new era temporarily aborted...
Report Fangsy June 24, 2022 2:59 PM BST
Imagine if we have to bat on a green top or bunsen using these tactics?
Report brentford June 24, 2022 3:03 PM BST
know what you mean Fangsy but would almost be more acceptable in a low scoring game with a ball with your name on it...this is about 350 ish par I'd have thought especially without heavy cloud about..there's probably a reason we're the only team that think this is the holy grail of test match batting...great when it comes off...horrific when it doesn't..
Report sixtwosix June 24, 2022 3:06 PM BST
And that is how the captain thinks you should bat on day 2 of a test match chasing 350 ........ laughable.
Report Aptdemon June 24, 2022 3:11 PM BST
There's a chance that in the longer term, it might've been a shame for England that basically the first time they went down the kamikaze route, it came off.

Flip side, we've been 28/4 facing the moving ball for two years now...so this is no different, WAY more exciting and perhaps still more likely not to result in us 120 all out.

Whatever, it's such a fine balance and got to remain non-results-oriented in the short term.
Report Aptdemon June 24, 2022 3:13 PM BST
Always gonna be teething when you fundamentally switch approach.

Can't have it both ways and happy to reserve judgement whilst they try to hone their method...
Report Aptdemon June 24, 2022 3:16 PM BST
Big hole here, mind you.

(Unless there is a barrel of weather around...doesn't look like the draw is in play with this side whilst they learn the ropes)
Report Fangsy June 24, 2022 3:20 PM BST
Surely there's a half-way house of grinding through the new ball then putting bat to ball?  We're playing games like they're just two back-to-back ODIs with a carry-forward.  And then there's the budget issues if games keep finishing inside 2 days...
Report brentford June 24, 2022 3:21 PM BST
I'd accept that if you aren't averaging in the manner of top players ( Root accepted) the end result may not differ much but I'm still a bit curious that we alone think this is some kind of solution to the format and almost admits we don't have players to play the format rather than develop them..

some of the most dynamic batsman ever to play the game would be slightly head in hands at some of this though maybe NZ's bowling deserves a bit more credit than I'm inclined.
Report brentford June 24, 2022 3:22 PM BST
*in reply to apt
Report Aptdemon June 24, 2022 3:25 PM BST
I agree. As we stand (sit) now, I think they've gone a long way beyond optimal strategy/approach.

That said, I don't necessarily think any of the top four (aside from Crawley, who always trusts his eyes) got out because of their approach.

Once they're gone is the conundrum and Stokes and JB didn't try to consolidate or age the ball, whatsoever.
Report Aptdemon June 24, 2022 3:26 PM BST
What Stokesy may want to remember is that the greatest innings of his life came from a beginning of something like 3 from 73 deliveries...

I fully expect that he will remember this, and will learn from today.
Report Aptdemon June 24, 2022 3:29 PM BST
It feels as though we've broken the mould a little bit too far, here.

We did it with white ball, and we may well do it with tests (though I don't think we have the players to come anywhere close to our transcendence in white ball, regardless of how we play) but the mistakes will be all the more glaring in a longer, drawn-out format...
Report brentford June 24, 2022 3:33 PM BST
when they knock of 400 plus in the 4th inns at 7 an over I'll have to take my medicine I guess Grin

just in regard to McCullum as a marker of success in the approach I notice his averages in England, Australia and SA were 29,24 and 17 with reasonable sample size
Report brentford June 24, 2022 3:44 PM BST
not suggesting anyone had referenced him on here I stress but he has been mentioned in the media with some regularity as an example of the approach paying off...
he did it largely on flat drop ins in NZ and some very good decks in the UAE and whilst he may be to modest for his own good has suggested he played like that because he wasn't good enough to try and play properly.
Report brentford June 24, 2022 5:31 PM BST
turns out it gets easier if you do get through the first 15-20 ovs ....who knew ?   though must admit despite his early reprieve Overton has looked handier than his county record suggests
Report SontaranStratagem June 24, 2022 8:41 PM BST
I think this is how we’ll play full stop from now on regardless of situation, under a more attacking captain it will be entertaining though

But expect some under 100 run stinkers with this approach

If we could get Archer fit and get a lefty like Curran back in we’ll be fun to watch which is something at least

We wont be going back to attritional cricket we saw under Strauss and most of Cooks time as captain
Report brentford June 24, 2022 8:49 PM BST
It'll certainly be entertaining but under Strauss we did become world no.1 in the format to be fair....with better talent

today gives greater re- enforcement to the approach...not sure your number 8 getting you out of a hole (55-6 after 12 overs) solves more problems than it creates but great knocks regardless
Report alun2005 June 24, 2022 8:51 PM BST
Day 2 of the Third test, another unforgettable cricketing occasion.

The Great Jonny Bairstow compiling another staggering century, 130* in only 126 b@lls, and Test debutant Jamie Overton bludgeoning 89* off 106, combining for a record 7th wicket for England in all Tests. And from the desperate position of 55-6 it gives England a chance of getting close to the NZ first innings and maybe even better it.

The very best thing about the heroics was that the primary role was played thrillingly by a Yorkshireman, at Leeds, cheered on by a big crowd of proud fans.

I'm aure everyone will agree with me that it was fantastic to see such a spectacle on the field today. A truly magnificent response by Yorkshire cricket, rising supremely above the disgaceful and ridiculous smears, and attempts to destroy it in the last year by chancers and worse.
Report brentford June 24, 2022 9:13 PM BST
you should have a chat with Jonny...
Report barstool June 24, 2022 10:39 PM BST
Brilliant days cricket. NZ and England always good to watch and both want to compete.

Not so sure it will be the same against the Asian sides on doctored wickets and the like.

Enjoy it while we can.Happy
Report mafeking June 25, 2022 1:10 PM BST
england's fearless approach has rather exposed the nz bowling boult aside. southee looks gone at the game and everyone knocks leach but he's classes above any tweaker the kiwis have got. the 2nd string bowling has been absolutely monstered
Report Whisperingdeath June 25, 2022 4:00 PM BST
I have layed England and backed NZ as I had intended on day 1.

There has been some appalling batting, bowling and slip catching in this series and some extraordinary batting and bowling from Boult
Report Whisperingdeath June 25, 2022 4:04 PM BST
Do NZ perform their 3 stripe choke again?

I think not but who knows in this series. I think their batting can be quite solid. Hopefully as solid as their helmets!

Just shows how much England have missed pace.

When is Archer back?
Report Whisperingdeath June 25, 2022 4:05 PM BST
I’d put in a short leg and silly mid off immediately
Report Whisperingdeath June 25, 2022 4:05 PM BST
and bowl fullish
Report Whisperingdeath June 25, 2022 4:10 PM BST
With plenty of pepper
Report SontaranStratagem June 25, 2022 10:05 PM BST
It dint matter if weve got 2 days to knock off 200 odd, this lot will try ti knock it off before tea tomorrow Laugh
Report LendUsAFiver June 26, 2022 5:34 AM BST
Weather looking terrible on Monday. With NZ best 2 batters now on the field maybe they can survive two sessions today and secure a draw. Very much doubt they can win from here.
Report Whisperingdeath June 26, 2022 9:38 AM BST
Why?

Tomorrow is day 5. Pitch may be slow but still day 5 pitch. If it does rain there will be clouds. If there are clouds it is likely to swing.

I would not take anything for granted here. Ido not see why NZ cannot score close to 400 today with a 50 over ball.

I guess they just need to break this partnership as usual.. Mitchell has to go but after he gave his wicket away in the first innings I suspect he might dig in but yes the game could finish today!
Report brentford June 26, 2022 10:28 AM BST
NZ had the game won virtually twice now, have to say they haven't looked anything like the calibre of side I was expecting, they've lost virtually every big moment in the series.

Bracewell going need a decent 2nd inns score here to justify only picking three front line bowlers as well.

Great effort from England yesterday to drag it back, Potts been very impressive and Leach although no world beater looks viable when given a proper run and some backing.
Report Cardinal Scott June 26, 2022 1:07 PM BST
Delightful Draw Crash, north of 10s down to 4s in one session.
Report Whisperingdeath June 26, 2022 1:42 PM BST
Layed my draw red at 12’s but did not chalk up enough green.

As long as NZ bat England out of the game this afternoon I will be happy.
Report LendUsAFiver June 26, 2022 2:47 PM BST
Bracewell you absolute toolbox! Well, there blows the friggin' draw.
Report barstool June 26, 2022 3:17 PM BST
Decision to pick Leach fully justified.

9 in the match now.

Hope he gets the double 5.
Report brentford June 26, 2022 3:37 PM BST
pleased for Leachy...took some unfair stick during the ashes.
Report mafeking June 26, 2022 3:52 PM BST
well done jack leach. he's no world beater but a perfectly reasonable test match spinner. god knows what silverwood and root were doing continually going into test matches in the last 2 years without a frontline spinner. it was sheer lunacy. no wonder we struggled to win
Report Whisperingdeath June 26, 2022 4:28 PM BST
Disagree

Not really good enough but we’ll done to him. Not helped by his previous Captain
Report SontaranStratagem June 26, 2022 5:42 PM BST
No fan of leach but the previous set up didnt help, silverback was the worst coach weve had easily in my opinion

Madness how all the tests have hit day 5 Crazy
Report mafeking June 26, 2022 6:16 PM BST
yes lacks control at times but better average than moeen ali, monty panesar and nathan lyon for that matter (!)
Report brentford June 26, 2022 6:55 PM BST
feel a bit sorry for Bracewell - a  part time spinner being asked to play such a key role...only has 30 (thirty) first class wickets @ 46+ and used to be a WK...
Report LendUsAFiver June 26, 2022 7:50 PM BST
I see the Asian Bossman is still "advising" the Bangladesh team :D How are they not in jail yet.
Report mafeking June 26, 2022 8:18 PM BST
yep brenty seems williamson has taken over from root in making totally bizarre selection decisions. patently obvious bracewell miles out of his depth
Report brentford June 26, 2022 8:55 PM BST
hadn't realised how odd till Coney kept banging on about him being a part timer, just assumed he was a lesser option with some batting...

NZ maybe get some better bowling conditions in the morning with some moisture about but not been much real swing in this inns and ball (or numerous replacement balls) quickly takes a battering with England's approach as well...not sure what to make of the series...if it ends up 3-0 would feel churlish not to fully credit England but I think I prefer the bowling side of what I've seen despite some magical innings..
Report SontaranStratagem June 26, 2022 9:10 PM BST
What a difference a proper coach and captain makes Laugh
Report SontaranStratagem June 26, 2022 9:10 PM BST
6 months ago this wouldnt have happened

Wed have caputulated all 3 tests and lost it 3 zip
Report Whisperingdeath June 26, 2022 9:12 PM BST
Not enough weather to save NZ now. Really pathetic effort in the field. Abysmal selection decisions.

I would have Moen ahead of Leach all day and even Rashid in Pakistan
Report brentford June 26, 2022 9:30 PM BST
comes to something when Sonts' is the cheerleader for an England sports team !  Mischief

how do you reckon this batting approach would have gone down under ?  I suppose no worse than it did would be a fair answer...
Report mafeking June 27, 2022 2:13 PM BST
the nz attack is a bit of a one man show but they're gonna knock off 300 in consecutive games in around 50 overs. it's incredible
Report brentford June 27, 2022 2:23 PM BST
BF suspend monkkey called it already to save NZ from further punishment Mischief
Report brentford June 27, 2022 2:27 PM BST
it's remarkable stuff alright, Mafe'...some decent tests to come with India and SA's attacks (assuming Saffers are close to full strength) but as you say they've somehow turned what should be nail biting finishes in to canters..especially here and Nottingham...
Report mafeking June 27, 2022 2:38 PM BST
115 in 11 overs today. more run of the mill run chase stuff !

one obvious advantage is that the 2nd new ball which used to be a factor in chases of this size to clean up the tail has been completely removed from the equation by this approach
Report brentford June 27, 2022 2:41 PM BST
I could be a convert by the end of the summer Blush

622 for 13 in 121.2 overs @ 5.13 ....probably got my maths wrong but still..
Report brentford June 27, 2022 2:43 PM BST
656 was working off a stalled cricbuzz scorecard..  5.41
Report Whisperingdeath June 27, 2022 3:33 PM BST
Cannot believe how well The Ingerland have done. Pleased for them particularly Johnny Bstard who I think could be a good Test batsman, Ollie Pope who could be an exceptional Test batsman but who has been struggling with technique and Jack Leach who I really do not think is the answer to England's spinner crisis. I like all of them, good guys.

I do think both the Indian and Saffer attacks will test our batting. We shall see. I honestly thought NZ would bowl a lot better. They really were pants and by the end even Trent Boult lost it. I find it strange Fergusson was not picked and Ajaz not used. England could have lost the first two test's but they didn't. Well dun The Engerland!

We still need two openers. I hope Pope progresses as a 3. He is good enough but needs to work on technique. Bstard will be tested in the next 4 Test's. We still need a spinner and Archer back or another fast bowler. I am not sure about our batting against decent bowling attacks. We will find out shortly! ....... and I can't wait! I don't expect too much from India but their bowlers and of course SA will have it in spades so if the boys can do it against them they can do it against anyone!
Report Whisperingdeath June 27, 2022 3:34 PM BST
Our bowling after 30 overs is also not up to the standard imho
Report mafeking June 27, 2022 4:36 PM BST
gotta think india will be seriously undercooked and england love edgbaston. would have be only have 1 result last september with england in disarray now the opposite looks likely
Report LendUsAFiver June 27, 2022 4:57 PM BST
Mayhem in Gros Islet! Pitch is flooded, it hasnt rained for 3 hours. Draw has gone from 400/1 to 30/1 and more rain incoming in a few hours lol
Report LendUsAFiver June 27, 2022 5:32 PM BST
Now dropped to 15/1 in 30 mins - Somebody knows something? 400/1 to 15/1 in 3 hours
Report SontaranStratagem June 27, 2022 5:40 PM BST
Theyve utterly dismantled a damn good bowling unit Crazy

Still lacking an opener and proper spinner but you cant grumble at those performances over 3 tests

Cracking stuff
Report SontaranStratagem June 27, 2022 5:47 PM BST
Id like to think we could give the aussies a series down under under this set up but still a way to go for that yet though

What a difference andnbreath of fresh air that was from the utter tepid sh!t under silverback and root. Root looks a different batsman as well without the captaincy.
Report LendUsAFiver June 27, 2022 5:50 PM BST
Think they might abandon the match any minute now. 10/1 now and still falling. Looks like rain all day tomorrow also.
Report Whisperingdeath June 28, 2022 12:23 PM BST
Well J hood the draw backers get paid out!

Abandoned match rules? No eye deer!
Report Whisperingdeath June 28, 2022 12:24 PM BST
Think I missed it. WI won by 10 wickets?
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