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The Spinmaster
01 Jun 22 23:11
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Surely the draw is an appealing bet with the weather forecast of rain at the weekend? Or a lay of Eng anyway?
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Report Aptdemon June 2, 2022 12:43 PM BST
First impressions of Potts are great, looks right at home with the confidence/exuberance of youth.

As one of the commentators said, excellent time to blood him - when he couldn't be more in form if he tried.
Report Whisperingdeath June 2, 2022 4:16 PM BST
Some good cricket today. Expect Engerland to win this comfortably now………….
Report Whisperingdeath June 2, 2022 4:41 PM BST
I like Crawley but he needs a coach. Shocking dismissal.

Right hand too far down the handle. Poor foot movement. Shoulder big often pointing to where ball is going. He us doppisex to be a professional at the top of his game. What do coaches do?
Report cricketnut2 June 2, 2022 6:08 PM BST
and 100 minutes later, we're struggling almost desperatly, as Englands tail don't hit the ball (Broad appart), which is how New Zealand got their way to 132.
Report 1830 June 2, 2022 6:14 PM BST
How FCKIN Shyyte can a team be.
Report clacton June 2, 2022 6:16 PM BST
Absolute shambles
Report johnnythebull June 2, 2022 6:17 PM BST
5 wkts for 8 runs in 28 runs..looks like the batting has massively improved under McCullum

he'll be looking to go back with his compadres when this little series is over

fk this poisoned chalice BS he'll remark!
Report johnnythebull June 2, 2022 6:17 PM BST
28 balls..u know what i mean
Report johnnythebull June 2, 2022 6:19 PM BST
1st inns lead must've been a million on..now?!
Report johnnythebull June 2, 2022 6:21 PM BST
no wonder T20s are flavour of the month..they last longer than test matches now as well!
Report johnnythebull June 2, 2022 6:33 PM BST
this is what i don't understand..they are a dozen or so overs short of what should've been bowled

yet in glorious sunshine with 2 1/2 hrs remaining daylight they are coming off

they should be MADE to bowl the allotted amount
Report cricketnut2 June 2, 2022 6:44 PM BST
Christ the match could be over by the evening session tomorrow, if they did that, although I do somewhat I agree with that comment johnny.
Report sageform June 2, 2022 7:03 PM BST
All that has changed is that the collapse happened later in the innings. Evens each of two in my opinion now.
Report Try My Best June 2, 2022 7:51 PM BST
Well played EnglandExcitedLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report the whizz kids June 3, 2022 12:53 AM BST
Jesus, it's been a while since I've been on here, wtf has happened?
Has everyone given up on Tests, BF or the community?
Grim days for the community.
Anyway N.Z look good value at 3s
Report Try My Best June 3, 2022 1:34 AM BST
Everyone's gone skint following Whisperings tips.
Report kallisking June 3, 2022 8:03 AM BST
Kiwis the value bet here. If they can knock the tail over fairly quickly they’ve got all day batting in the sun on what should be a decent deck
Report kallisking June 3, 2022 8:42 AM BST
Still can’t believe we collapsed from 50 odd for none against an attack with de grandhomme in it.
Report Cardinal Scott June 3, 2022 11:22 AM BST

Jun 3, 2022 -- 12:53AM, the whizz kids wrote:


Jesus, it's been a while since I've been on here, wtf has happened?Has everyone given up on Tests, BF or the community?Grim days for the community.Anyway N.Z look good value at 3s


Self-Loathing Troll Hamlin destroyed the forum

Report johnnythebull June 3, 2022 11:49 AM BST
huge 1st inns lead should more or less guarantee Eng can't lose from here at the very least
Report Whisperingdeath June 3, 2022 12:01 PM BST
Really is a joy watching Anderson and Southee bowl this morning also watching Williamson trying to keep him out
Report Whisperingdeath June 3, 2022 12:30 PM BST
This kid looks like a decent bowler but will he be able to effective outside of England’s green and pleasant land? I am not sure
Report Whisperingdeath June 3, 2022 12:39 PM BST
Wink
Report Cardinal Scott June 3, 2022 12:45 PM BST
Whispers EXPLAIN another Foakes failure.
Report johnnythebull June 3, 2022 12:54 PM BST
Kiwis were NEVER World's no.1..total load of contrived b0llocks
Report Aptdemon June 3, 2022 1:05 PM BST
When we do well, it's poor opposition. When we do poorly, we are rubbish. Simple.
Report Whisperingdeath June 3, 2022 2:05 PM BST
Failure Cardinal?

He outscored Bstard by 7-1

Tremendous figures!

Took some good catches although Johnny did too.

Funny enough I do like Bstard at 7 but I just don’t think he is a top drawer keeper. Foakes did not impress in the Caribbean.

I do know what the answer is though. A fit Jeffrey Archer!

It will be interesting to see how our attack fares when the pitch is docile and the ball is soft. 3 low 80’s trundlers is not a Test Match solution.
Report johnnythebull June 3, 2022 2:20 PM BST
once Albion got to 133 this test was all but over
Report Whisperingdeath June 3, 2022 4:44 PM BST
Tbf we knew how this would go when the ball went soft!

Never forsake the dragon Johnny. Root or Stokes could still win this for England but I wouldn’t bet on it!
Report johnnythebull June 3, 2022 5:03 PM BST
what i want to know is..HTF does a 2nd rate(at best) associate country get to host a test series against the World's no.1Wink
Report A_T June 3, 2022 5:27 PM BST
only rain can save England here
Report johnnythebull June 3, 2022 5:30 PM BST
pie bowling from Albion now the pitch has flattened coupled with their pie batting..not exactly the best recipe for success

letting Her Majesty down bigtime..off to the tower with this shower

once again Big Sam(the obvious candidate for the job) has been overlooked!
Report SontaranStratagem June 4, 2022 1:24 AM BST


Every time we go out to bat Plain
Report the whizz kids June 4, 2022 2:39 AM BST
I would love to see this forum going again as Tests was truly amazing on here, unfortunately since PXB and Jucel left things have never been the same.Blush
Anyway I've layed my 3s of NZ at 1.53 and lumped on Eng.
New ball first thing with some slightly overcast conditions and we could see a few early wickets.
Report Whisperingdeath June 4, 2022 10:53 AM BST
Good call whizz. Good test to bet on. Unfortunately been a bit busy to get involved.

The problem remains we have our bowlers who can be very effective in Blighty when conditions permit but otherwise are cannon fodder. The Briad wicket in the afternoon session was a strangle. They seem to have little guile or idea.

I said earlier the batting could be improved by a fit Jeffrey Archer and I wasn’t joking.

I find it strange that most English batsmen have glaring technical deficiencies which have not been addressed by coaching.

As long as you are not emotionally invested watching Engerland is a trip!
Report Foinavon June 4, 2022 10:54 AM BST
How many more do you think NZ need? This has not been a high-scoring game so far.
Report Whisperingdeath June 4, 2022 10:56 AM BST
You must be enjoying this JohnnyLaugh

When does sadness and pity come?

I am guessing Johnny you are a convict and rather than see a competitive Ashes you would rather see the jailers crushed?

But shirley as a cricket fan you want to see some sort of fight?
Report Whisperingdeath June 4, 2022 10:59 AM BST
Very cloudy here Foinavon

Not sure play will start on time but if NZ declare this game wound be over by lunch with current overheads assuming no rain.

As it is I suggest thd Match will be concluded by tea.
Report Whisperingdeath June 4, 2022 11:35 AM BST
Excellent hundred and he will remember that forever
Report Whisperingdeath June 4, 2022 11:54 AM BST
Strong breeze has moved the clouds on but is Broad on the charge? Scrambled scream with the new ball looked a little desperate to me. Difficult to call now as thd ball is not swinging yet and the sun is out bug the lacquer  will wear off and there are clouds coming.

Oh dear how stupidly casual from the Big Man!

This is good from a betting perspective
Report Whisperingdeath June 4, 2022 11:56 AM BST
Broad on the charge!

You heard it here first!
Report johnnythebull June 4, 2022 11:57 AM BST
unbelievable jeff..truly
Report Whisperingdeath June 4, 2022 11:58 AM BST
Thrilling ride

I love this game Stan!
Report Foinavon June 4, 2022 12:35 PM BST
Thanks WD, I suspected they has enough runs already and 50 more would be icing.
As the start was delayed, I went for a soak and have missed all the action.
Report A_T June 4, 2022 12:54 PM BST
how is this more or less evens? they must have been watching a different England team to me
Report johnnythebull June 4, 2022 1:00 PM BST
be just like mercurial Eng to win on the bridle by 4/5 wkts
Report Whisperingdeath June 4, 2022 1:15 PM BST
Do not write the Engerland off here!

Weather is half decent. Still a strong breeze to disperse the clouds. Lords day 3 pitch and even Alex Lees is hitting extra cover drives against a new ball!

No I don’t believe in miracles but if this new ball is not a swinger and we get to 30 overs then this is a different game. See what happens when the lacquer wears off too.

I don’t have much faith in these batsmen if the ball swings but Crawley could make runs if it remains flat
Report Whisperingdeath June 4, 2022 1:30 PM BST
Good start from England and yet again poor technique.

Commentators got it covered. He doesn’t know where off stump is. He moves around the crease, he let one go coming down the hill!

A professional cricketer, playing for His country………POOR
Report sageform June 4, 2022 1:39 PM BST
Desperate school boy error just when they had survived the early overs. Somehow they must survive to tea for only 1 or 2 more wickets and then go after the softer ball and tiring bowlers.
Report johnnythebull June 4, 2022 2:11 PM BST
in the blistering 100f heat
Report sageform June 4, 2022 2:24 PM BST
Oh dear, another nail in the coffin. Will they make it to tea?
Report johnnythebull June 4, 2022 2:28 PM BST
this is when the boy Joe ,unencumbered by the test captaincy,has to justify the fawning praise foisted upon him

no BS wafts o/s off that u and the boy Virat KEEP getting out to

step up to the plate and get Albion over the line for Her Majesty and her subjects!
Report A_T June 4, 2022 2:34 PM BST
england still 2.32 - what makes anyone think this team can chase down 270? unbelievable.
Report sageform June 4, 2022 2:44 PM BST
3 down. No chance.
Report Guernsey Sunbed June 4, 2022 2:53 PM BST
Still have a chance albeit a slim one
Report johnnythebull June 4, 2022 3:08 PM BST
Bairstow is NOT a test batsman..braindead chubby boy
Report A_T June 4, 2022 3:10 PM BST
absolutely mindboggling that this was more or less evens at the start of the innings. has noone been watching this England team?
Report johnnythebull June 4, 2022 3:14 PM BST
196 partnership between these 2 would be handy!
Report johnnythebull June 4, 2022 3:38 PM BST
dopey lets the thug off the hook
Report kallisking June 4, 2022 4:40 PM BST
Stokes relentlessly charging brings more risk than reward surely
Report Aptdemon June 4, 2022 6:31 PM BST
WinViz couldn't be much further away from the market right now. 51-48 v 1.55-2.86
Report johnnythebull June 4, 2022 6:36 PM BST
England's to lose now
Report A_T June 4, 2022 7:32 PM BST
England making a much better fist of it than I thoughts - thank goodness for Stokes and Root. However I can envisage a collapse in the morning
Report Foinavon June 4, 2022 9:28 PM BST
There were some good price swings today. I hope there will be one more tomorrow although I would like to see England win for a change and give the new skipper a boost.
Report Whisperingdeath June 4, 2022 11:19 PM BST
I shall give you a cloud report tomorrow morning although it might be a late start and I got to gym it before a lunch party at 12
Report the whizz kids June 5, 2022 2:22 AM BST
I need Root to go in the first couple of overs in the morning. Got myself in a great position early yesterday and then went a bit tits up.
I'm still Eng 0,N.Z 2.5 green, Draw 0.4 green.
There's been plenty of twists during this test and it's most likely to continue tomorrow or at least I hope, lol
Report SontaranStratagem June 5, 2022 3:12 AM BST
Be nice for Stokes to get off to a winning start, but theres a job on with that batting Crazy
Report cricketnut2 June 5, 2022 8:37 AM BST
Well i'm not in London, but not too far away and its a very grey overcast morning where I am currently.
Report The Spinmaster June 5, 2022 9:28 AM BST
Note to self: go to the street party and don't get sidetracked by getting greedy and seeking to boost your green book by taking another position at this stage. Remember India against NZ in Southampton and how you squandered your trading profit by not believing that NZ had a chance on the last day.
Report Whisperingdeath June 5, 2022 9:37 AM BST
Damp, heavy cloud, no wind.

Don’t expect to start on time. I thin  on even the old ball might swing if they polish it on a morning like this

. Too hard to cal. Early wicket of Root and its all change but only 60 to defend?

Are you going to reserve judgement on Foakes v Bstard until later today Cardinal?

Dreadful shot by Bstard. Commentators gif it right… the shot of a brain dead moron!
Report cricketnut2 June 5, 2022 10:46 AM BST
Bstard is just 1 day player, can't play Test Cricket on any surface where the ball is moving around
Report Whisperingdeath June 5, 2022 11:00 AM BST
He missed a straight ball!

He has missed something like 51 straight balls in his Test career!
Report Whisperingdeath June 5, 2022 11:01 AM BST
Surprised we are starting on time. J hope the ball gets wets
Report Whisperingdeath June 5, 2022 11:03 AM BST
I am sure that grass is still wet. Get ‘em in singles!
Report Stickywickets June 5, 2022 11:09 AM BST
If Root gets to 10,000 runs today, he will be exactly the same age as Cook... to the day!
Report johnnythebull June 5, 2022 11:15 AM BST
Kiwi bowlers struggling in the blistering morning sun
Report Whisperingdeath June 5, 2022 11:20 AM BST
Going point but Nasser. The ball was swinging v when they changed it, pretty stupid from NZ
Report Whisperingdeath June 5, 2022 11:21 AM BST
Cook averaged 45 in a golden age gif batting with flat decks
Report johnnythebull June 5, 2022 11:22 AM BST
NZ touched 1.16 when Stokes was 'out' to de G
Report Whisperingdeath June 5, 2022 11:29 AM BST
Root is quite possible the best English batsmen I have seen in 50 Years. Kevin Pietersen is the best batsman I have seen play for Engerland and I saw Boycott, Gooch and Gower.
Report A_T June 5, 2022 11:30 AM BST
great stuff from Root
Report Whisperingdeath June 5, 2022 11:31 AM BST
The Big Man’s run out yesterday really let England back into this game and now look!
Report Whisperingdeath June 5, 2022 11:39 AM BST
Again, why would you change the ball when it was swinging! Costly mistake!
Report johnnythebull June 5, 2022 11:39 AM BST
2 key events that swung the match were Broad's '3' wkts in the one over and the egregious no bowl from de G
Report Whisperingdeath June 5, 2022 11:42 AM BST
Yes. I was out gif gif no ball but you are spot on. Thd three wickets in an over could and should have been only one.
Report johnnythebull June 5, 2022 11:48 AM BST
been an absorbing test match with both teams deemed to be in the ascendancy at different times

way better than a 5 day draw where bowlers toil

the 5th and 6th wkt partnerships have ensured the rope-a-dope master plan has been executed to perfection
Report Stickywickets June 5, 2022 11:48 AM BST
10,000 runs and a hundred at the same time, perfect symmetry
Report Stickywickets June 5, 2022 11:57 AM BST
Cook and Root both reached 10,000 runs aged 31 years and 157 days
Mind blowing stuff
Report Stickywickets June 5, 2022 11:58 AM BST
Those are odds of biblical proportions
Report johnnythebull June 5, 2022 12:00 PM BST
pre Apocalyptic coincidental stats
Report johnnythebull June 5, 2022 12:01 PM BST
fking drinks!..ur having a fking larf
Report johnnythebull June 5, 2022 12:07 PM BST
how many would have envisaged NO wkts falling this morning?

some shrewdies on here at times

johnnythebull 04 Jun 22 13:00 
be just like mercurial Eng to win on the bridle by 4/5 wkts Laugh
Report Stickywickets June 5, 2022 12:07 PM BST
full refund = seething Laugh
Report Stickywickets June 5, 2022 12:15 PM BST

Jun 5, 2022 -- 12:07PM, Stickywickets wrote:


full refund = seething


They will be choking on the bollinger after that

Report SontaranStratagem June 5, 2022 12:19 PM BST
I expected us to lose 5 wickets for about 15 runs Laugh

So tosee an easy morning is surprising
Report cricketnut2 June 5, 2022 12:27 PM BST
Another superb Test Match and shows you just why Test Match Cricket, is the very best sport in the world. This game went 1 way, then another and back again in just over 3 days play. Congratulations to Joe Root 10,000 Test Match reaching it with yet another great 100. well played to Ben Foakes on a great supporting role in the winning partnership.
Report SontaranStratagem June 5, 2022 4:41 PM BST
Root can concentrate on his batting and Stokes will be a better captain and leader

No one will fook with his lads type mentality
Report VardonVoo. June 5, 2022 6:24 PM BST
Hi all.

I missed most of this match, sadly and didn't get to save the odds graphs. Did anyone else?
What were the peak and lowest odds traded in reasonable size for each outcome at various key stages.
I'm sure I saw 90s on the draw before it came back to sub 10s and I thought one or other team went to 20s early doors.
Report mafeking June 5, 2022 8:46 PM BST
nz were at least 16 on friday afternoon before the england collapse
Report Aptdemon June 7, 2022 7:46 AM BST
VV - this won't be far wide:

NZ touched 21, with decent sums at 19, before lows of under 1.2.

England tickled 7.0 and again decent volume at and above 6.0.

Draw went out to 90 and came back to 6.0-7.0 for chunks.
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