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brentford
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Pre series prices

series winner Aus 1.36/1.37  England 5.8/5.9  drawn series 9.8/10.0

1st test Brisbane (Gabba)  Aus 2.26/2.28  Eng 5.0/5.1 Draw 2.72/74

squads :  https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-series/3532/the-ashes-2021-22/squads
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Report SontaranStratagem January 15, 2022 10:18 AM GMT
It’s not like*
Report johnnythebull January 15, 2022 10:25 AM GMT
generally speaking our bowlers have acquitted themselves pretty well

but even Stevie Wonder could see that batting line-up going to Oz was doomed to failure

and even more annoyingly the greater your failings as a batter the more secure your place becomes

needs a total clean up but with the old boys club don't hold your breath
Report Aptdemon January 15, 2022 10:27 AM GMT
We've been pants, sure - but Australia possessed two of the top-three bowlers in the Test rankings before the series began, three in the top-ten and all four in top 20.

They're at home, we've quarantined, we've toured in a bubble, and played no cricket out of Tests.

We're not a good Test side, by any stretch, but I've seen plenty worse - against far worse opposition.

The bowling rankings are formulated against all nation's, these guys are ridiculously good anywhere - never mind in their back yard.
Report SontaranStratagem January 15, 2022 10:28 AM GMT
The bowlers seem to get dropped after doing ok yet Hameed lasted 4 tests despite making about 5 every innings
Report SontaranStratagem January 15, 2022 10:30 AM GMT
Smith really has an awful technique

How he’s made the runs he has is baffling to me
Report johnnythebull January 15, 2022 10:32 AM GMT
our press always bigs up any England side whatever the sport and invariably they are nowhere near what they are made out to be
and tend to badly underestimate the opposition esp these Aussies
Report brentford January 16, 2022 5:42 AM GMT
awesome comeback from Woody...
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 5:49 AM GMT
Could get interesting
Report brentford January 16, 2022 5:52 AM GMT
probably need the skies to clear but yep far from impossible if they can wrap it here..
Report brentford January 16, 2022 5:53 AM GMT
at least likely to miss the newie at the worst time...
Report brentford January 16, 2022 5:56 AM GMT
was supposed to be quite nice weather today...been anything but since play began
Report brentford January 16, 2022 7:12 AM GMT
Great job considering they only had 3 fully fit seamers..
hopefully they can at least make a fist of this but going to be challenging in the extreme under these skies you'd think..
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 7:12 AM GMT
Superb from Wood. Still feels like we were a tad unlucky and we skittled for 155.

This seems like a monumental ask.
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 7:16 AM GMT
It'd be something if this wasn't the time we arrived at 30/3 territory.

Cummins and Starc will be lethal in these conditions.

24% looks like astonishing value. Not going near it.
Report brentford January 16, 2022 7:18 AM GMT
The Woakes NB decision (which was fair enough imo) certainly worth a few so yep, could easily have been less
Report brentford January 16, 2022 7:19 AM GMT
Burns going for the 'Rock' look LaughCool
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 7:26 AM GMT
Look at that price after two edges and eight deliveries LaughLaughLaugh
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 7:28 AM GMT
Look at that price after two edges and eight deliveries

I just can't bring myself to do it, heart too strong right now Crazy
Report brentford January 16, 2022 7:29 AM GMT
you don't usually see those kind of drifts for sure...
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 7:33 AM GMT
1.24 -> 1.41 is ludicrous.

Someone is printing money
Report brentford January 16, 2022 7:52 AM GMT
over 5 an over...hell of a start...
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 7:57 AM GMT
I'm desperate for this to continue 'til tea.
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 8:00 AM GMT
Cannot quite believe a flip is possible before then Shocked
Report brentford January 16, 2022 8:00 AM GMT
where's this been all series ?  LaughCrazy
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 8:05 AM GMT
Wow - lumpy's just been converted to England, too
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 8:06 AM GMT

Jan 16, 2022 -- 2:00AM, brentford wrote:


where's this been all series ?

Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 8:07 AM GMT
I know! I'm giddy.

(*as a result, largely sitting on my hands so far)
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 8:08 AM GMT
Evens Surprised
Report brentford January 16, 2022 8:08 AM GMT
win viz starting to smoke out of confusion...Mischief
Report brentford January 16, 2022 8:31 AM GMT
clearly not out ffs
Report brentford January 16, 2022 8:31 AM GMT
seemed to be working unduly hard to find something incriminating...
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 8:32 AM GMT
Could've fitted a traffic jam of buses through the gap
Report VardonVoo. January 16, 2022 8:33 AM GMT

Jan 16, 2022 -- 1:33AM, Aptdemon wrote:


1.24 -> 1.41 is ludicrous.Someone is printing money


You want stupid odds movements, I just saw Djokovic trading at 10s to win the Aus Open so I left a lay bet at 5s, the lowest it had traded since the news of the failed appeal - had a look a few minutes later and amazingly it had been matched (and had traded even lower!) and by the time I checked only a few minutes later it had bounced back so I was able to partially cover at 11 upwards for a very nice risk-free profit - even if a miracle happened I could have covered for a minimal loss in the event Djoko got a later reprieve.

Sadly BF suspended the market and voided the bets shortly after. Waaaahh!!!

Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 8:33 AM GMT
Clutching but that's a review burned
Report brentford January 16, 2022 8:35 AM GMT
did they have any rules in place VV that you know of or are they just winging it ?
Report brentford January 16, 2022 8:37 AM GMT
just checking the market unless they've added it in was always a void - so 10 quite a good back I guess...
Report sageform January 16, 2022 8:38 AM GMT
Have the Aus gone soft and decided to let us win one in case we decide that enough is enough and never returnGrin. But if Burns plays on perhaps England will lose after all.
Report brentford January 16, 2022 8:38 AM GMT
If a player does not start a tournament then all bets on that player will be void
Report sageform January 16, 2022 8:40 AM GMT
Exactly brentford which is why I greened out when I could and got ridiculed on the Novak thread.
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 8:41 AM GMT
DAMN SHAME
Report brentford January 16, 2022 8:46 AM GMT
take no notice Sage..Grin
Report VardonVoo. January 16, 2022 9:01 AM GMT

Jan 16, 2022 -- 2:37AM, brentford wrote:


just checking the market unless they've added it in was always a void - so 10 quite a good back I guess...


I really should have checked the rules first - my short lay would have been an idiot-bet gift if he'd somehow got re-instated at the eleventh hour - at least I got to trade out just in case. Surprised so much big money was available on the lay side though.

Report brentford January 16, 2022 9:06 AM GMT
there have been a few markets over the years (can't recall the specifics unfortunately) where layers (inflating prices) were on a hiding to nothing in those type of scenarios..would have been a nice free ride green for you though VV...
Report brentford January 16, 2022 9:08 AM GMT
* of course the above view always requires BF to adhere to it's own stated rules...Mischief
Report VardonVoo. January 16, 2022 9:18 AM GMT
I couldn't find his ridiculing chat but sageform would have done all right (hallegedly, hallegedly). I would only have been green if Novak didn't play and the market didn't get voided, otherwise I was planning on covering at the "normal" odds for no loss. It was an impulse bet when I checked the market after hearing the news followed by a lucky trade-out. I'd have been very uncomfortable if the market had traded even lower then stayed open for days whilst a further decision was discussed.
Report brentford January 16, 2022 9:26 AM GMT
Malan plays those half arsed angled bat, back foot defensives a lot...can only think they are a carry over from white ball stuff where the defensive shot is a last resort..'cause they look awful and he's been close to doing that numerous times this series..
Report brentford January 16, 2022 9:33 AM GMT
Eng's two best bats..had a small oz lay..but looking tough against Green especially..
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 9:37 AM GMT
We must continue to show intent or there is no hope.

Head & Green's very rapid, relative monster of a partnership is the only spell of concerted scoring in this match.
Report brentford January 16, 2022 9:40 AM GMT
Green by most fast bowling parameters just starting out...if he stays injury free...Scared
Report brentford January 16, 2022 9:56 AM GMT
two give aways in the game for Stokes...Plain
Report johnnythebull January 16, 2022 9:57 AM GMT
Stokes is an overrated thug
Report brentford January 16, 2022 9:59 AM GMT
harsh jtb   Grin  ..but probably a bit over rated...
Report johnnythebull January 16, 2022 10:04 AM GMT
other than Headingley and Capetown ain't done a lot..capable with the bat(on occasion and getting fewer)

stats bowling wise ain't all that

but other than that a mellow,lovely guy always behaving himself in publicWink
Report johnnythebull January 16, 2022 10:06 AM GMT
shame about Zak..guy can play but keeps getting out when in
Report brentford January 16, 2022 10:06 AM GMT
just looking at his series stats 236 runs @ 23.6   4 wkts @ 71.5....
Report brentford January 16, 2022 10:07 AM GMT
FEC
Report johnnythebull January 16, 2022 10:09 AM GMT
can little Joe, supported by his able lieutenants get us over the line?

don't hold your breath but this is a scenario that can define them
Report johnnythebull January 16, 2022 10:11 AM GMT
or is 1.3 Oz free money?
Report brentford January 16, 2022 10:12 AM GMT
wonder how many threads Pope would have about him on here in a previous era..poor old Belly used to get dog's abuse...
Report brentford January 16, 2022 10:13 AM GMT
don't forget to factor in a fluent 23 from Billings JTB Mischief
Report SHROPSHIRELAD January 16, 2022 10:15 AM GMT
Commentators, pundits “experts” I’ve $hit better

Nobody has mentioned the salient point

Yet again we bottled it, won the toss and refused to bat in the Test format

1) shows the opposition that you are frightened of them

2) you CHOOSE to bat last when the pitch should be at its worst (conducive to spin, rough patches etc)

3) you CHOOSE to face “scoreboard pressure”

It’s total lunacy
Report brentford January 16, 2022 10:17 AM GMT
did you watch the fist hour of the match SL ?

our line up would have been lucky to get 50...
Report johnnythebull January 16, 2022 10:17 AM GMT
it's not inconceivable this is on if joe can get 70/80 and Pope Billings 30/40,Woakes 30 and a few boundaries from the tail but unfortunately unlikely esp giving conditions are quite bowler friendly
Report johnnythebull January 16, 2022 10:18 AM GMT
forget my last postGrin
Report brentford January 16, 2022 10:19 AM GMT
what a time to get one of them...
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 10:20 AM GMT
Hit. Out.

Head, Green, Labuschagne (& Woakes) are the only runs in the game.
Report SontaranStratagem January 16, 2022 10:25 AM GMT
Another pathetic batting display

Did we actually make 300 in the series?

We got saved last test so technically we did lose five nothing but score is 4-0 again

We’ve pretty much lost 15 tests in a row since 2011 down there if not for rain assistance saving two draws

Mind bending

13 official losses two lucky draws in 3 ashes series past 8 years...
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 10:27 AM GMT
Have to try to take the bowlers out of their line and length, walking wickets otherwise on here.
Report johnnythebull January 16, 2022 10:27 AM GMT
we're improving..nil desperandumGrin
Report johnnythebull January 16, 2022 10:32 AM GMT
anyhow,for me,great to see these pitches with smth in it for the bowlers and batsmen having to work for their runs

just had a great series between an improving SA vs Kohli's boys

much more intriguing and great cricket imho
Report brentford January 16, 2022 10:36 AM GMT
we've turned this round in a hurry...the wrong way.. but still..
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 10:37 AM GMT
Two-an-over since the tenth...
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 10:38 AM GMT
We took foot off before tea and never reasserted ourselves.

At risk of repeating - the *only* runs scored in this match have been run-a-ball type.
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 10:40 AM GMT
Ah well, it was a fun 90 minutes (during which my head was awol so I didn't profit, appropriately)
Report brentford January 16, 2022 10:41 AM GMT
wtf is that Ollie ?
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 10:43 AM GMT
Yikes, 25-6 Plain
Report brentford January 16, 2022 10:44 AM GMT
bowled middle and leg trying to hit it to fine leg...Whoops
Report SontaranStratagem January 16, 2022 10:47 AM GMT
Crazy

What a cesspool batting unit
Report brentford January 16, 2022 10:47 AM GMT
'tis the hope that kills ya.. Wink Happy Plain Cry
Report johnnythebull January 16, 2022 10:51 AM GMT
even T20 batters don't get out as quickly as this England test team!
Report cricketnut2 January 16, 2022 10:51 AM GMT
they are obviously coached to bat across the line, as very few play straight and hit the ball, back where it came from. Far too much joke cricket the 100 needs kicking out of the game and just play 20/20. Cricket needs to be played properly, where the bowling side, have to bowl the opposition out, before they can bat. Now the side selected for this tour and I said so at the time, was always going to be way short of what was needed and that is how its proved, especially in the batting line up. Apart from Root and an injured Stokes, the rest was unproven at this level and none have come up to scrath.
Report brentford January 16, 2022 10:53 AM GMT
it's a fitting finish to the series at least...comedy gold ...
Report johnnythebull January 16, 2022 10:55 AM GMT
you've got the Women's Ashes coming up

these mofos should be made to play that

but i guess another drubbing would just about tip them over the edge and shatter their collective confidence irretrievably
Report SontaranStratagem January 16, 2022 10:56 AM GMT
147
297
236
192
185
68
294
270
188
8/115

That’s pathetic on these wickets, not even 300 once

Australia haven’t made 500 once and won 4-0 with unlucky not to win 5 zip

Shows how bad we are at the minute
Report johnnythebull January 16, 2022 10:56 AM GMT
Zak top scorer with 36 hard held,eased down final furlong!Grin
Report Whisperingdeath January 16, 2022 10:57 AM GMT
Nobody beats this Engerland side 5-0!
Report SontaranStratagem January 16, 2022 10:59 AM GMT
124 to add to those other beauties

Beaten inside 3 days twice Crazy
Report Aptdemon January 16, 2022 10:59 AM GMT
Hope you got your fill of Australia up around evens, WD.

I was too busy getting irrationally excited Cool
Report SontaranStratagem January 16, 2022 11:01 AM GMT
It’s bad when you’ve lost 4-0 to side on autopilot Laugh
Report johnnythebull January 16, 2022 11:01 AM GMT
last 8 wkts down for 42..does anyone do a collapse quite like this lot?
Report SontaranStratagem January 16, 2022 11:10 AM GMT
We should have just forfeited once the team was announced 3 months ago

I don’t think it matters who you take when their coached that badly as been by others on here
Report SontaranStratagem January 16, 2022 11:15 AM GMT
Scott Boland took 17 wickets in those 3 tests Crazy
Report geordie1956 January 16, 2022 12:28 PM GMT
talk about test cricket losing its appeal ... this series should be the final nail in the coffin if thats as good as we are ... blo0dy awful from beginning to end
Report mafeking January 16, 2022 2:28 PM GMT
only once since the first ever ashes series when i guess the average score was around 100 have we failed to make 300 in the whole series - 1958/59
Report brentford January 16, 2022 2:44 PM GMT
no need for that Mafe' ...Cry
Report Try My Best January 16, 2022 9:20 PM GMT
Well played Australia. Total domination in all aspects of test match cricket. Thought the Pomms had it in them to win one test but they must be the biggest set of spineless cricketers to have ever set foot on our shores. One exception to the rule Mark Wood. He can be very proud of his overall performance. Searing pace and the ball he got Usman out off the gloves was superb. ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FAIR
Report Ekbalco January 16, 2022 10:02 PM GMT
The worst England team to tour the penal colony.
Report johnnythebull January 16, 2022 10:08 PM GMT
really looking forward to this Ashes series

by all accounts we've had the best ever preparation

and with Silverwood and Root at the helm we look practically invincible

if i were the Aussies i'd be rightly fearful

could well get whitewashed on home soil
Report brentford January 18, 2022 9:11 PM GMT
Some interesting player ratings given by the Guardian at the end of the tour

Anderson 8 wickets @  23.38  was given a 6 Plain
Robinson 12 wickets @ 23.42 was given a  5 Shocked
Report LoyalHoncho January 19, 2022 7:30 PM GMT
Courtesy of the below forumite on the politics forum.

dukeofpuke19 Jan 22 19:03
The English Cricket Board have announced that Novak Djokovic will be their new batting coach they said we know he hasn't any experience in our game but as it took Australia 2 weeks to get him out he is our best option Laugh
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