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By:
matthew0
When: 17 Sep 21 10:36
tour cancelled , covid
By:
matthew0
When: 17 Sep 21 10:47
may not be covid , security concerns
By:
jmdc
When: 17 Sep 21 10:57
Thanks Matt, nice of Sky to keep us informed!
By:
elisjohn
When: 17 Sep 21 11:08
PAK vs NZ 1st ODI cancelled; entire tour has been abandoned due to security concerns – Follow live updates: per Geo News, the first ODI between Pakistan and New Zealand has been cancelled due to COVID-19 cases among the players. Players and support staff have been asked to remain in their respective hotel rooms. Spectators haven’t been allowed inside the ground as well.

As per the latest updates, three players from each side are said to have tested positive for Covid 19. The official confirmation, however, is yet to come. The interior minister will hold a press conference at 5:00 pm to share the details of the situation.
By:
LendUsAFiver
When: 17 Sep 21 11:10
completed match market was completely closed without settlement. Not happy!! Took a big gamble on that one. The match was not completed.
By:
elisjohn
When: 17 Sep 21 11:10
more news

New Zealand have called off their limited-overs tour of Pakistan because of security concerns.

The tour, comprising three ODIs and five T20Is, was supposed to start today, with the first ODI in Rawalpindi, but neither team left their hotel on the morning of the game, and spectators were not allowed to enter the stadium.

After a period of uncertainty, as details regarding the cause of the delay were awaited, a New Zealand cricket statement was issued, saying, "Following an escalation in the New Zealand Government threat levels for Pakistan, and advice from NZC security advisors on the ground, it has been decided the Blackcaps will not continue with the tour".

The New Zealand contingent in Pakistan is now preparing to leave the country. The NZC, however, said they "will not comment on the details of the security threat nor the updated arrangements for the departing squad".

"I understand this will be a blow for the PCB, who have been wonderful hosts, but player safety is paramount and we believe this is the only responsible option," NZC chief executive David White said in the statement.

The Pakistan Cricket Board, meanwhile, stated they and the government of Pakistan had made "foolproof security arrangements".
By:
elisjohn
When: 17 Sep 21 11:12
lend us a fiver, i think 1 ball has to be bowled on  that market
By:
LendUsAFiver
When: 17 Sep 21 11:13
Will there be a result declared in this limited overs match or will it be Abandoned or a No Result? If there is an official result other than No Result the answer will be Yes. Match Abandoned or No Result will mean No. At the start of scheduled play all unmatched bets will be cancelled and this market will be turned in-play. This market will not be actively managed therefore it is the responsibility of all users to manage their own positions.

Customers should be aware that:

Transmissions described as “live” by some broadcasters may actually be delayed

The extent of any such delay may vary, depending on the set-up through which they are receiving pictures or data.

Official Result = Yes

Abandoned or No Result = No

Please be aware that this bet will carry over onto any reserve day and will be settled on the official result of the match. If a match is postponed or abandoned for any reason other than weather (which may include but is not limited to: dangerous or unplayable wicket or outfield; pitch vandalism; strike or boycott; crowd protests/violence; floodlight failure; stadium damage; acts of terrorism; and acts of God), Betfair reserves the right to void all bets on this market.

For the avoidance of doubt if a match is decided by a bowl off or coin toss then the market will be settled as NO.
By:
LendUsAFiver
When: 17 Sep 21 11:15
Abandoned is clearly a no result. No mention of a ball needing to be bowled.
By:
LendUsAFiver
When: 17 Sep 21 11:17
Maybe act of terrorism? FML - Nothing about Virus outbreak
By:
LendUsAFiver
When: 17 Sep 21 11:18
was a monkey green on no CryCryCryCry
By:
elisjohn
When: 17 Sep 21 11:19
match abandoned  or no result will mean NO,  I agree with you ,
By:
LendUsAFiver
When: 17 Sep 21 11:24
This is bad, official result is match abandoned! It clearly says in the market information that abandoned means no! Got to take this one further i think.
By:
elisjohn
When: 17 Sep 21 11:28
didnt read all the rules earlier, but im sure theyll say void due to the any reason other than weather, ( that may include etc etc )
By:
LendUsAFiver
When: 17 Sep 21 17:04
Yes but weather can cause 3 void situations, in this instance they say it will be determined by the team lol. They really need to think about a completed match (without any ambiguity) market. Official result "Yes" anything else "No" Simples.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 18 Sep 21 14:53
If a match is postponed or abandoned for any reason other than weather (which may include but is not limited to: dangerous or unplayable wicket or outfield; pitch vandalism; strike or boycott; crowd protests/violence; floodlight failure; stadium damage; acts of terrorism; and acts of God), Betfair reserves the right to void all bets on this market.

The rules are pretty clear here, this market was always going to be voided
By:
LendUsAFiver
When: 20 Sep 21 15:19

Sep 18, 2021 -- 8:53AM, tomtimtum wrote:


If a match is postponed or abandoned for any reason other than weather (which may include but is not limited to: dangerous or unplayable wicket or outfield; pitch vandalism; strike or boycott; crowd protests/violence; floodlight failure; stadium damage; acts of terrorism; and acts of God), Betfair reserves the right to void all bets on this market.The rules are pretty clear here, this market was always going to be voided


How does that make it clear?
If weather causes power cut will it be void or settled bet? They don't know, they cant give an answer to me.
If weather causes flooded outfield it will be settled even though that clearly conflicts with their void rule "unplayable" outfield - Massive contradiction.
If hurricane cause match abandonment it will be decided at the time by betfair staff! Why? It's 100% a weather affected game.
If weather takes out a floodlight and the match is abandoned - They can't answer.
If weather causes flooding before a ball is bowled - They reserve the right....

Way, way too much ambiguity! They should just make things simple and remove all this nonsense.   

Completely match - Yes, No without the bs.

By:
tomtimtum
When: 21 Sep 21 14:13
It's clear to anyone with a bit of common sense

Completed match market is a weather market not a bet on terrorism, pitch vandalism, player death, player injury market

You might think that you've been cheated but you were never getting paid out, so you havent lost anything, just remember it for next time
By:
tomtimtum
When: 21 Sep 21 14:15
And Betfair will never allow any market that allows you bet on such events (terrorism, vandalism, injuries, deaths etc) for obvious reasons
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 21 Sep 21 15:28
You are quite correct Tim imho
By:
bobweenit
When: 21 Sep 21 15:30
Tomtit speaks pure pish mate, type of bloke who thinks he is finding a hoodie he lost on a 3rd World bus, a cheap clown who speaks pure pish.
Betfair are clo0wns, make the rules up as they go along. Get on to ibas and get your monkey ...
By:
LendUsAFiver
When: 21 Sep 21 15:42

Sep 21, 2021 -- 9:30AM, bobweenit wrote:


Tomtit speaks pure pish mate, type of bloke who thinks he is finding a hoodie he lost on a 3rd World bus, a cheap clown who speaks pure pish.Betfair are clo0wns, make the rules up as they go along. Get on to ibas and get your monkey ...


Agree Bob, tomtimtum is completely ignoring my words. Even with weather being the reason for abandonment they reserve the right depending on how much they traded in the game. It's criminal and should be looked into.

By:
LendUsAFiver
When: 21 Sep 21 15:44
If you are in betfair and you have the power to void an outcome you will, as we noticed when "yes" hit 1.7 against an hour of tweets to the contrary! They can smash the odds one way and not lose if the outcome is different to their risk. This should be illegal, all ambiguity must be removed to prevent inside trading based on legal ambiguity.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 21 Sep 21 17:02

Sep 21, 2021 -- 9:44AM, LendUsAFiver wrote:


If you are in betfair and you have the power to void an outcome you will, as we noticed when "yes" hit 1.7 against an hour of tweets to the contrary! They can smash the odds one way and not lose if the outcome is different to their risk. This should be illegal, all ambiguity must be removed to prevent inside trading based on legal ambiguity.


Except there isn't any ambiguity, Betfair was always going to void this market

By:
tomtimtum
When: 21 Sep 21 17:10

Sep 21, 2021 -- 9:42AM, LendUsAFiver wrote:


Sep 21, 2021 -- 2:30PM, bobweenit wrote:Tomtit speaks pure pish mate, type of bloke who thinks he is finding a hoodie he lost on a 3rd World bus, a cheap clown who speaks pure pish.Betfair are clo0wns, make the rules up as they go along. Get on to ibas and get your monkey ...Agree Bob, tomtimtum is completely ignoring my words. Even with weather being the reason for abandonment they reserve the right depending on how much they traded in the game. It's criminal and should be looked into.


No they reserve the right to void because they can't cover every possible eventuality in their rules and will have to make judgement calls.
Will these be controversial? Possibly
If you don't like it, don't bet on these markets

By:
tomtimtum
When: 21 Sep 21 18:33
Bobweenit doesnt know his rectum from a plectrum Laugh
By:
bobweenit
When: 21 Sep 21 18:51
Timtit uses his plectrum to strum his banjo Wink and i aint talking about the stringed versionLaugh
By:
bobweenit
When: 21 Sep 21 19:00
"If you don't like , don't bet on these markets" What a line from Timtum he is some boy...
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